RogueSix wrote on Mar 9, 2025, 16:24:
Yup. They are tumbling into the abyss, bro. Filing for chapter 11 any day now.

Stop being such a corporate apologist. I was speaking in terms of quality and reputation. In fact, it's entirely because nVidia is relentlessly pursuing financial growth that the company is destroying its brand loyalty.

RogueSix wrote on Mar 10, 2025, 14:53:
The RTX 4000 series was amazing in comparison (ironically no "falling" at all but a significant step-up compared to the guy's RTX 3080) and it is only now with the RTX 5000 series that they have some issues, at least with these first batches of shipments.

The 4000 series was overpriced and had a relatively weak uplift in comparison to previous generations. It also saw nVidia 'unlaunch' a product that was so poorly conceived even nVidia realised it couldn't ship it.

RogueSix wrote on Mar 10, 2025, 18:54:
When the RTX 3080 was released in early 2022, nVidia had a market share of ~80%. Between then and 2024 their market share ROSE (hint: that is pretty much the opposite of falling) to ~90%.

Nobody is disputing that nVidia is a successful company. But that has come at the expense of its reputation, leaving the door open for AMD and/or Intel to make serious inroads.

The RTX 3080 was a great value upgrade from my GTX 1080 Ti. Unfortunately, nothing it has released since is even slightly appealing to me (certainly not at the obscene price points being demanded). My brother felt the same way, which is why he bought an RX 9070 (which he's really happy with). Sorry if that hurts your ego.

Yup. Market share is another good point to counter the "nVidia has fallen" argument.

When the RTX 3080 was released in early 2022, nVidia had a market share of ~80%. Between then and 2024 their market share ROSE (hint: that is pretty much the opposite of falling) to ~90%.

Yes, recent indicators are showing that AMD is gaining market share again (final-fucking-lly!), but that is to be expected due to very low RTX 5000 supply and also low RTX 4000 supply, some of which, like the RTX 4090, were phased out of the channel entirely!, as well as the negative news flow surrounding RTX 5000, as well as the fact that it would be nigh impossible to LOSE even more market share for AMD.

We will have to wait and see how far nVidia is going to "fall". They are currently laughing it off anyway due to the high demand in the professional sector ($35.6bn datacenter vs. $2.5bn gaming ... that's like 7% revenue from gaming = lol-worthy chicken shit).

And if anyone thinks that they will have to come "crawling back" to gaming or some weird ass fantasies like that... nope, they don't.
Even if (when) the AI boom comes to an end (and it will, naturally) then there will still and always be a demand for computing, automotive etc., i.e. datacenter revenue per se isn't going anywhere and, barring any revolutionary developments in computing like quantum magic, it will always remain the more important pillar for nVidia than gaming (DC revenue first surpassed gaming back in 2020 and has been consistently growing more important ever since).

Overon wrote on Mar 10, 2025, 08:40:

Simon Says wrote on Mar 9, 2025, 19:47:

Teemeister wrote on Mar 9, 2025, 19:27:

Fantaz wrote on Mar 9, 2025, 18:06:
AMD did a pretty good launch with the 9700 XT ngl

… this, and because of the huge train wreck the whole 5000 series is, AMD is massively gaining market share as we speak.

LOL, nope, drop in the bucket of an ocean so far.

I would like to see some stats.

Easy, about 20 000 series 9000 have been sold worldwide.

Global GPU market is hundreds of millions of GPUs, do the math. It's a rounding error.

The Flying Penguin wrote on Mar 10, 2025, 11:06:

RogueSix wrote on Mar 9, 2025, 16:24:

theyarecomingforyou wrote on Mar 9, 2025, 15:55:
... it's amazing to see how far nVidia has fallen since buying my RTX 3080.

nVidia quarterly revenue when RTX 3080 was released: $7.64bn (up 53% YoY)

nVidia quarterly revenue Q4/2025 (latest): $39.3bn (up 78% YoY)

Yup. They are tumbling into the abyss, bro. Filing for chapter 11 any day now.

Seriously, I called this. I said they would likely half-ass the RTX 5000 release. It is only logical that they have shifted everyone who can code 'helloWorld' without fucking it up over to AI/DC. Gaming is forced to take a nap. It is almost a miracle that they have released any new consumer product at all.

Consumer is being handled by the interns and the trainees now. There is going to be some disruption in the usual excellent service until the interns and trainees have gotten their shit together or until the AI train slows down (whichever comes first). Consumers will have to wait for the wheeling back of desks or until nVidia HR catches up hiring more talent but that won't be easy, let alone short term, as every huge IT gig (except for the fucking losers at Intel lol) is hiring left, right and center currently.

Pointing to revenue that mostly comes from AI hardware sales is says nothing. It is fair to critique their 50 gaming cards, which have been a fiasco.

Seriously man, I'm an Nvidia fan and have used their cards for two decades, but I can find a lot to critique. You just seem to have a hard on for them.

Read what the poster said whom I quoted? He said that it is amazing how far nVidia have fallen since the RTX 3080. This makes it sound like it's been an ongoing downward spiral into the shitter ever since. The opposite is the case. The RTX 3000 series was decent but it was also slightly flawed because of Samsung 8nm when it came to power consumption etc.

The RTX 4000 series was amazing in comparison (ironically no "falling" at all but a significant step-up compared to the guy's RTX 3080) and it is only now with the RTX 5000 series that they have some issues, at least with these first batches of shipments. I'm not denying that at all. In fact, as I said, I expected them to half-ass RTX 5000 because of their AI/DC focus. Gaming makes up considerably less than 10% of nVidia's revenue now. It's chicken shit.

That said, I'm sure that the RTX 5000 issues are overstated. There is lot of clickbait out there and lots of sites trying to make more of a fuss than there actually is. Everyone loves hating nVidia these days because no one wants them to be as successful as they are. It is pure envy and spite.

As far as the last five gens are concerned, I would say that GTX 1000 series was awesome but also an easy win because we went straight from 28nm to 16nm due to TSMC's inability to shit out a high-powered 20nm process. RTX 2000 series had issues initially with "space invaders" but that seemed to be a limited batch of affected cards and then became a great series. RTX 3000 was a bit meh due to Samsung 8nm but, contrary to AMD's cards at the time, they were at least available. nVidia inadvertently(?) bet on the right horse and were able to at least partially work around the limited supply from TSMC due to CoVid and crypto. RTX 4000 was awesome again.
Now RTX 5000 is off to a rocky start but we will have to wait and see if or how long the issues are going to persist. There have obviously been some "production anomalies" by nVidia's own admission that have been corrected so there is hope that they are going to get their shit together in due time.

Seriously man, I'm an Nvidia fan and have used their cards for two decades, but I can find a lot to critique.

I've had amazing luck with purchasing a 1080 and then 3080 with impeccable timing, where prices either held or went back up after. I've then been wary of the 20/40-series for putting too much of their cost into tech that hasn't yet justified itself. With the 5080 it's barely improved tech at permanent scalper prices, power hungriness coupled with new issues and supply constraints even way over MSRP, making for the perfect storm of a crap launch. The best thing they've done lately is the DLSS Transformer model, basically gave away a full notch of performance, with the new Balanced looking better than the old Quality, and increasingly better than native + MSAA despite 30-50% better performance.

RogueSix wrote on Mar 9, 2025, 16:24:

theyarecomingforyou wrote on Mar 9, 2025, 15:55:
... it's amazing to see how far nVidia has fallen since buying my RTX 3080.

nVidia quarterly revenue when RTX 3080 was released: $7.64bn (up 53% YoY)

nVidia quarterly revenue Q4/2025 (latest): $39.3bn (up 78% YoY)

Yup. They are tumbling into the abyss, bro. Filing for chapter 11 any day now.

Seriously, I called this. I said they would likely half-ass the RTX 5000 release. It is only logical that they have shifted everyone who can code 'helloWorld' without fucking it up over to AI/DC. Gaming is forced to take a nap. It is almost a miracle that they have released any new consumer product at all.

Consumer is being handled by the interns and the trainees now. There is going to be some disruption in the usual excellent service until the interns and trainees have gotten their shit together or until the AI train slows down (whichever comes first). Consumers will have to wait for the wheeling back of desks or until nVidia HR catches up hiring more talent but that won't be easy, let alone short term, as every huge IT gig (except for the fucking losers at Intel lol) is hiring left, right and center currently.

Pointing to revenue that mostly comes from AI hardware sales is says nothing. It is fair to critique their 50 gaming cards, which have been a fiasco.

Seriously man, I'm an Nvidia fan and have used their cards for two decades, but I can find a lot to critique. You just seem to have a hard on for them.

Personally, I think I'm going team red this time, if I can get a 9070RX at base price. no amount of overclocking is worth a $250 markup. Mostly, it's because I'm not terribly interested in raytracing (make your game look marginally better, and it only costs you 2/3 of your framerate!), and I really am not interested in a card that might light on fire. AMD is sticking to the 8-pin connectors for now, and it doesn't seem to be causing any issue.

Simon Says wrote on Mar 9, 2025, 19:47:

Teemeister wrote on Mar 9, 2025, 19:27:

Fantaz wrote on Mar 9, 2025, 18:06:
AMD did a pretty good launch with the 9700 XT ngl

… this, and because of the huge train wreck the whole 5000 series is, AMD is massively gaining market share as we speak.

LOL, nope, drop in the bucket of an ocean so far.

I would like to see some stats.

Teemeister wrote on Mar 9, 2025, 19:27:

Fantaz wrote on Mar 9, 2025, 18:06:
AMD did a pretty good launch with the 9700 XT ngl

… this, and because of the huge train wreck the whole 5000 series is, AMD is massively gaining market share as we speak.

LOL, nope, drop in the bucket of an ocean so far.

Fantaz wrote on Mar 9, 2025, 18:06:
AMD did a pretty good launch with the 9700 XT ngl

… this, and because of the huge train wreck the whole 5000 series is, AMD is massively gaining market share as we speak.

Is this the driver that makes Nvidia's MSRP real?

This comment was edited on Mar 9, 2025, 19:14.

RogueSix wrote on Mar 9, 2025, 16:24:

theyarecomingforyou wrote on Mar 9, 2025, 15:55:
... it's amazing to see how far nVidia has fallen since buying my RTX 3080.

nVidia quarterly revenue when RTX 3080 was released: $7.64bn (up 53% YoY)

nVidia quarterly revenue Q4/2025 (latest): $39.3bn (up 78% YoY)

Yup. They are tumbling into the abyss, bro. Filing for chapter 11 any day now.

Seriously, I called this. I said they would likely half-ass the RTX 5000 release. It is only logical that they have shifted everyone who can code 'helloWorld' without fucking it up over to AI/DC. Gaming is forced to take a nap. It is almost a miracle that they have released any new consumer product at all.

Consumer is being handled by the interns and the trainees now. There is going to be some disruption in the usual excellent service until the interns and trainees have gotten their shit together or until the AI train slows down (whichever comes first). Consumers will have to wait for the wheeling back of desks or until nVidia HR catches up hiring more talent but that won't be easy, let alone short term, as every huge IT gig (except for the fucking losers at Intel lol) is hiring left, right and center currently.

AMD did a pretty good launch with the 9700 XT ngl

theyarecomingforyou wrote on Mar 9, 2025, 15:55:
... it's amazing to see how far nVidia has fallen since buying my RTX 3080.

nVidia quarterly revenue when RTX 3080 was released: $7.64bn (up 53% YoY)

nVidia quarterly revenue Q4/2025 (latest): $39.3bn (up 78% YoY)

Yup. They are tumbling into the abyss, bro. Filing for chapter 11 any day now.

Seriously, I called this. I said they would likely half-ass the RTX 5000 release. It is only logical that they have shifted everyone who can code 'helloWorld' without fucking it up over to AI/DC. Gaming is forced to take a nap. It is almost a miracle that they have released any new consumer product at all.

Consumer is being handled by the interns and the trainees now. There is going to be some disruption in the usual excellent service until the interns and trainees have gotten their shit together or until the AI train slows down (whichever comes first). Consumers will have to wait for the wheeling back of desks or until nVidia HR catches up hiring more talent but that won't be easy, let alone short term, as every huge IT gig (except for the fucking losers at Intel lol) is hiring left, right and center currently.

Broken cards, broken drivers, paper launches... it's amazing to see how far nVidia has fallen since buying my RTX 3080.

Yea 572.42 has been flawless for me sticking with that for a bit until something meaningful changes.

Blue wrote on Mar 9, 2025, 13:46:

Steele Johnson wrote on Mar 9, 2025, 13:35:
I'm sticking with 572.47 until it has been confirmed that they haven't screwed the pooch again

Still on 572.16 myself.

I think conventional wisdom says to move slowly on drivers and hotfixes unless you have a specific problem they address.

Yes

Steele Johnson wrote on Mar 9, 2025, 13:35:
I'm sticking with 572.47 until it has been confirmed that they haven't screwed the pooch again

Still on 572.16 myself.

I think conventional wisdom says to move slowly on drivers and hotfixes unless you have a specific problem they address.

I'm sticking with 572.47 until it has been confirmed that they haven't screwed the pooch again