El Pit wrote on Mar 8, 2025, 07:42:
At least Pong got inducted in 2015. Those committee members occassionally seem to make a good choice.

John Madden Football but no Quake
Super Mario Kart but no Quake
Animal Crossing but no Quake
Dance Dance Revolution but no Quake

Maybe they think that Doom is enough.

Again: they can nominate and induct whatever they want. Each long-time gamer has his own Hall of Fame and this one is ALWAYS correct for the person choosing his favorite games. These trinket give-away competitions by "experts" always make me both laugh and throw up at the very same time.

Dance Dance Revolution... C'mon...

You can dislike Dance Dance Revolution all you like, but to pretend it isn't a big game or an influential one is beyond naive.
It has had over 130 releases over 27 years.
Yes, of course Quake deserves to be included, but rightfully including Dance Dance Revolution does nothing to stop Quake from being included.
Also bear in mind this is the VIDEO GAME hall of fame. Not the PC game hall of fame.

taryuken wrote on Mar 8, 2025, 20:46:

Beamer wrote on Mar 8, 2025, 11:33:

El Pit wrote on Mar 8, 2025, 07:42:
At least Pong got inducted in 2015. Those committee members occassionally seem to make a good choice.

John Madden Football but no Quake
Super Mario Kart but no Quake
Animal Crossing but no Quake
Dance Dance Revolution but no Quake

Maybe they think that Doom is enough.

Again: they can nominate and induct whatever they want. Each long-time gamer has his own Hall of Fame and this one is ALWAYS correct for the person choosing his favorite games. These trinket give-away competitions by "experts" always make me both laugh and throw up at the very same time.

Dance Dance Revolution... C'mon...

They're looking for variety. They're also a museum. Not every gamer gives a shit about fps games, so the tried to get a wide range of genres to increase interest.

More people played Madden and Mario Kart than Quake, anyway.

You guys are taking this very personally. Quake was very important for you. It also brought 3D graphics to FPS games. But it isn't the only important game or genre. And it isn't important to everyone.

Quake was important for online gaming and server communities too. As well as e-sports tournaments. As well as being able to mod the game (I learned quake c before Borland C). As well as having pretty much that fastest gameplay as far as movement other than like Painkiller (exploiting teleports w/ rocket jumps and you can fly). There's more to quake than being the first major 3d fps game. I don't remember using ClanRing for Doom or setting up major matches for Doom that weren't either a local bbs or a local lan party. But I do not know how you display that extra stuff in a museum other than to say it was the first real 3D FPS game.

Yup. This is a museum aimed at getting visitors. The Hall of Fame is marketing for them. They want to appeal to a broad group of people, and most of what you mentioned appeals solely to a very small one.

Having something based around Madden will get far more excitement from the general gaming community than talking about 1998 lan parties or Quake C.

Beamer wrote on Mar 8, 2025, 11:33:

El Pit wrote on Mar 8, 2025, 07:42:
At least Pong got inducted in 2015. Those committee members occassionally seem to make a good choice.

John Madden Football but no Quake
Super Mario Kart but no Quake
Animal Crossing but no Quake
Dance Dance Revolution but no Quake

Maybe they think that Doom is enough.

Again: they can nominate and induct whatever they want. Each long-time gamer has his own Hall of Fame and this one is ALWAYS correct for the person choosing his favorite games. These trinket give-away competitions by "experts" always make me both laugh and throw up at the very same time.

Dance Dance Revolution... C'mon...

They're looking for variety. They're also a museum. Not every gamer gives a shit about fps games, so the tried to get a wide range of genres to increase interest.

More people played Madden and Mario Kart than Quake, anyway.

You guys are taking this very personally. Quake was very important for you. It also brought 3D graphics to FPS games. But it isn't the only important game or genre. And it isn't important to everyone.

Quake was important for online gaming and server communities too. As well as e-sports tournaments. As well as being able to mod the game (I learned quake c before Borland C). As well as having pretty much that fastest gameplay as far as movement other than like Painkiller (exploiting teleports w/ rocket jumps and you can fly). There's more to quake than being the first major 3d fps game. I don't remember using ClanRing for Doom or setting up major matches for Doom that weren't either a local bbs or a local lan party. But I do not know how you display that extra stuff in a museum other than to say it was the first real 3D FPS game.

El Pit wrote on Mar 8, 2025, 07:42:
At least Pong got inducted in 2015. Those committee members occassionally seem to make a good choice.

John Madden Football but no Quake
Super Mario Kart but no Quake
Animal Crossing but no Quake
Dance Dance Revolution but no Quake

Maybe they think that Doom is enough.

Again: they can nominate and induct whatever they want. Each long-time gamer has his own Hall of Fame and this one is ALWAYS correct for the person choosing his favorite games. These trinket give-away competitions by "experts" always make me both laugh and throw up at the very same time.

Dance Dance Revolution... C'mon...

They're looking for variety. They're also a museum. Not every gamer gives a shit about fps games, so the tried to get a wide range of genres to increase interest.

More people played Madden and Mario Kart than Quake, anyway.

You guys are taking this very personally. Quake was very important for you. It also brought 3D graphics to FPS games. But it isn't the only important game or genre. And it isn't important to everyone.

At least Pong got inducted in 2015. Those committee members occassionally seem to make a good choice.

John Madden Football but no Quake
Super Mario Kart but no Quake
Animal Crossing but no Quake
Dance Dance Revolution but no Quake

Maybe they think that Doom is enough.

Again: they can nominate and induct whatever they want. Each long-time gamer has his own Hall of Fame and this one is ALWAYS correct for the person choosing his favorite games. These trinket give-away competitions by "experts" always make me both laugh and throw up at the very same time.

Dance Dance Revolution... C'mon...

taryuken wrote on Mar 7, 2025, 10:56:

Without Defender, there would have been no Quake.

Is there some clear path that ties quake to defender or are you just stating a very popular game made gaming more popular? Basically clearing the brushwood, so other games could pave a path.

No direct path. But Defender, and games like it along with the 2600, didn't just "clear the brushwood". They carved the path, laid down the roadbed, and paved the first hundred miles to where we stand today.

Most people on this site started gaming in the 90s and have only a peripheral view of gaming history before their involvement in the hobby. Which is fine. Few people take the time to trace backwards from their point of entry. Whenever they got in, the state of hardware and software was just the way things were. But they don't inherently know how much work, progress, and effort went into creating the environment they first stepped in to those many years ago.

Quake was just an OK game in my experience. 99 shades of brown wasn't my cup of tea and I felt the gameplay was actually rather derivative of previous games. I've also never been a fan of Reznor's style of industrial so the soundtrack did little for me. What is undeniably true, however, was that Quake was a great showcase for 3D acceleration in home computers.

If a Quake title is going to be inducted into a Hall of Fame, I'd argue that honor belongs to Quake 3 which monumentally pushed the boundaries on all fronts just three short years after the original. In my opinion, it did much more for FPSes and gaming.

I actually worked with a woman... Mattel sent her a Barbie of herself, or at least that is the story I was told, and well; she is the type of chick, I believe that story. She was a bad bitch, she was legit, there will be books written about her.

I'm not arguing that the "Barbie whatever-the-hell-it's-called" game shouldn't be in there. Just as while I would rather have sharp sticks shoved into my ears rather than listen to Taylor Swift, her cultural impact is undeniable. I hate award shows because they are meaningless, pandering, masturbatory popularity contests. But HoF inductions are a different beast entirely. They are our message to generations far into the future that these games (or these athletes, or these musicians) helped define our culture in a given generation by exemplifying excellence above all others. There are games that I liked infinitely more than Quake, but I would never argue that they be included in the HoF, whereas there is no universe in which Quake isn't a shoe-in. To have a gaming Hall of Fame without Quake in it is utterly ludicrous.

Definitely one of the best atmospheric OSTs of all time. Trent did a lot of the sound effects too and of course got his NIN logo on the nail ammo boxes.

In so many ways though Quake is one of the most groundbreaking games of all time. Was just playing AD mod again recently actually, on vkQuake engine of course.

One thing that for sure set Quake apart from everything else, other than being Fucking Quake and the OpenGL for the voodoo, was the FUCKING Nine Inch Nails soundtrack. That shit was hot, especially in the ZER0-gravity level.

Beamer wrote on Mar 7, 2025, 14:54:

Xeth Nyrrow wrote on Mar 7, 2025, 12:06:
Quake is one of the finalists are we are complaining it's not in there? Am I missing something? Better question is how come Pac-Man isn't in there? That game is easily the #1 most influential game in the history of video games and this is coming from someone who doesn't even like the game much.

Pacman was inducted in 2015, the inaugural year, alongside Tetris, Super Mario Brothers, WoW & Pong. All hard games to argue against. And none really overlap, which seems to be part of the process - they're all different genres. Which is probably why Quake took a while to get there - you don't want your Football Hall of Fame to be just QBs, and you don't want your video game hall of game to be just FPS by id. Though I'd argue only one more should make it. Maybe 2, I can see an argument for Quake 3.

Ah ok thanks. I thought this was the first year for them so then yeah, Quake being 9 years late to the party is pretty absurd.

Xeth Nyrrow wrote on Mar 7, 2025, 12:06:
Quake is one of the finalists are we are complaining it's not in there? Am I missing something? Better question is how come Pac-Man isn't in there? That game is easily the #1 most influential game in the history of video games and this is coming from someone who doesn't even like the game much.

Pacman was inducted in 2015, the inaugural year, alongside Tetris, Super Mario Brothers, WoW & Pong. All hard games to argue against. And none really overlap, which seems to be part of the process - they're all different genres. Which is probably why Quake took a while to get there - you don't want your Football Hall of Fame to be just QBs, and you don't want your video game hall of game to be just FPS by id. Though I'd argue only one more should make it. Maybe 2, I can see an argument for Quake 3.

If they only put 3 finalists a year in I can see why some of these are still sitting this out despite the fact they clearly warrant being in a HoF.

Quake, AoE, Angry Birds, Defender, Frogger, and Golden Eye would all be my vote...but that's two years of finalists under the current rules. I suppose that's one way to make sure you always have someone to nominate....drag your feet in admitting the obvious. NBA2K (maybe) and Harvest Moon (probably) are potential entries later. I think CoD should be put in as a franchise too. So many platforms and so many games for that one franchise and that in itself is noteworthy. Tamagotchi, Mattel Football, and Golden Tee are not titles I would put in today or later.

edit: okay, maybe Golden Tee after some reflection. But not before Quake.

This comment was edited on Mar 7, 2025, 13:22.

Quake is one of the finalists are we are complaining it's not in there? Am I missing something? Better question is how come Pac-Man isn't in there? That game is easily the #1 most influential game in the history of video games and this is coming from someone who doesn't even like the game much.

phinn wrote on Mar 6, 2025, 20:39:
I think not having Quake in the video game HOF completely invalidates said HOF.

Video game hall of fails more like it. It's ridiculous that quake isn't there already.

Nawww homie, Quake III is the second coming.

Overrated garbage is what it is. A super-simpleton run & gun game definitely doesn't deserve any HoF ranking. The game had its merits as far as the technology was concerned (graffiX). But everything else is and was bull-fucking-simpleton-shit. Press left mouse button to kill shit. End of story. Here's your "game". Fuckin' A, man. No wonder gaming is as fucked as it is when fucking simpleton QUAKE is being held up on a pedestal like the fucking SECOND COMING.

Quake definitely should be there. COD4: MW as well.

Without Defender, there would have been no Quake.

Is there some clear path that ties quake to defender or are you just stating a very popular game made gaming more popular? Basically clearing the brushwood, so other games could pave a path.

El Pit wrote on Mar 7, 2025, 09:06:

Prez wrote on Mar 7, 2025, 08:53:
Echoing everyone else, how the hell can you gave a Hall of Fame with any legitimacy whatsoever and Quake not be in it from year one? Utterly ludicrous.

They inducted more important games first. Like Barbie Fashion Designer (not kidding).

It outsold Quake at launch.
It also set milestones for female-oriented games by outselling traditional games aimed at men. So yes, even if people here didn't play it, it is an important part of gaming history.

Last of Us, Animal Crossing, Resident Evil and Starcraft are the ones I find more questionable. Maybe not Animal Crossing. I don't know what the other 3 really did that was exciting and new.