Cram wrote on Jan 30, 2025, 11:58:
WTF do you get with Asus for well over $1000 over the FE.. bloatware software, RGB and a couple degrees C cooler performance?

Don't forget the worst customer service in the industry!

I'll be sticking with my RTX 4070 Super until at least the 6000 series.

Upgraded my rtx 2060 super to a rtx 4070 super a few days ago. Couldn't be happier with the performance in modded Cyberpunk 2077.
Wont bother with the 50xx series for the next 4-5 years at least.

Ah, human greed and fomo in full swing! Get twice the scalping (1st by Nvidia with their MSRP and 2nd by the scalpers' surcharge) for each single buy = win! Right?
The GPU market is just a sad sign of how people forget about prices before Nvidia found out during the COVID pandemic that people are willing pay pretty much every unreasonable price. And now they just use the same prices as during the supply problems because of COVID. And the people just smile and pay... I don't understand mankind anymore.

RedEye9 wrote on Jan 30, 2025, 21:04:

Tipsy McStagger wrote on Jan 30, 2025, 13:44:

Cram wrote on Jan 30, 2025, 11:58:
attempted to grab a 5090 FE earlier this morning despite my earlier comments about skipping the card. It went poorly, as expected.
I can't believe Asus wants over $4100 CAD or whatever for one of their models, when the FE is $2899.99 and also appears to have a good cooling solution already (minus the memory cooling which is apparently below average). WTF do you get with Asus for well over $1000 over the FE.. bloatware software, RGB and a couple degrees C cooler performance?

5:59 am PST best buy had one in cart, went to checkout right away and it then removed itself from my cart. Would just error out after that for pre-order on restock and finally after 3 minutes removed that option outright.

Very paper launch.

lol
Gamers Nexus just dropped a video titled "Paper Launch" , you'll never guess what it's about.

We crawled through the internet to try and learn more about just how low the inventory and stock was, as well as share our own experiences of trying (and failing) to buy any RTX 5090 GPUs on launch day.
We also spoke with numerous people in the industry to try and learn more, and it does look like the 5090 is lower supply than the RTX 4090 was at launch.

Yepp, so the 5090 was a paper launch...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMd2WHKnceI

We might see the cards come in stock half-way in this year. For now, just hang on to your 30 and 40 series cards

If anyone here somehow gets a 5090, just sell it... there are game companies that will pay $$$ on ebay, just because they need to know how their game performs on that card for benchmarking purposes.

Simon Says wrote on Jan 30, 2025, 21:57:

To anyone who uses the new "transformer" DLSS model, this drivers gave me a HUGE performance bump on a 3070.

Going from 10% slower than CNN ( classic DLSS ) to faster than CNN.

Enjoy!

Is it more than meets the eye?

To anyone who uses the new "transformer" DLSS model, this drivers gave me a HUGE performance bump on a 3070.

Going from 10% slower than CNN ( classic DLSS ) to faster than CNN.

Enjoy!

Tipsy McStagger wrote on Jan 30, 2025, 13:44:

Cram wrote on Jan 30, 2025, 11:58:
attempted to grab a 5090 FE earlier this morning despite my earlier comments about skipping the card. It went poorly, as expected.
I can't believe Asus wants over $4100 CAD or whatever for one of their models, when the FE is $2899.99 and also appears to have a good cooling solution already (minus the memory cooling which is apparently below average). WTF do you get with Asus for well over $1000 over the FE.. bloatware software, RGB and a couple degrees C cooler performance?

5:59 am PST best buy had one in cart, went to checkout right away and it then removed itself from my cart. Would just error out after that for pre-order on restock and finally after 3 minutes removed that option outright.

Very paper launch.

lol
Gamers Nexus just dropped a video titled "Paper Launch" , you'll never guess what it's about.

We crawled through the internet to try and learn more about just how low the inventory and stock was, as well as share our own experiences of trying (and failing) to buy any RTX 5090 GPUs on launch day.
We also spoke with numerous people in the industry to try and learn more, and it does look like the 5090 is lower supply than the RTX 4090 was at launch.

ZandarKoad wrote on Jan 30, 2025, 20:08:
Factorio don't care if you got a 3090 or 5090.

That might be true but who the fuck cares about Factorio?!?

I'll just wait 3-6 months and get one after the craziness is over. And/or get two or three used 3090s for the same price... 3090 is still the best bang for your buck IMHO, for LLM applications.

Factorio don't care if you got a 3090 or 5090.

jdreyer wrote on Jan 30, 2025, 18:48:

RogueSix wrote on Jan 30, 2025, 17:04:
Let's give it some time. nVidia might have jumped the gun a little. There was apparently some "miscommunication" with the board partners and nVidia also seem to be in some kind of fight with Samsung who are the supplier of at least the first batch of GDDR7 (and of some of the HBM modules for the pro AI cards). Or were, rather.
nVidia want to take all orders away from Samsung because they are/were unhappy with the HBM supply and quality (linky) and how Samsung was doing business with them.

People were wondering why Huang mentioned "Micron" as the GDDR7 supplier at the CES presentation in early January when it turned out that the first demo/press cards were actually equipped with Samsung memory. "Micron" might not have been a slip of the tongue as originally suspected.

There is probably a little turmoil behind the scenes because nVidia pulled the initial order(s) from Samsung and the next batches will likely really be Micron (and maybe SK Hynix?) but it may take some ramp up time before everything is in place and before production is full steam ahead at 100%.

It's a little muddy but putting 2 + 2 it seems pretty clear to me that nVidia jumped the gun and revealed/announced RTX 5090/5080 before the typical buildup phase of launch stock quantities had concluded. It will be interesting to see if Samsung GDDR7 will be used beyond the first batch of cards or if we will only see GDDR7 of other suppliers down the line.

Anyway, I'm pretty sure we will be seeing much better availability starting from March. It also took ~4 to 5 months after the launch of the RTX 4090 until the prices came down from €2500+ at launch to the €1700 - €1999 range. It's the new "normal".
Take a breather, relax. Don't support the greedy greasy disgusting scalpers. Things will be looking much better in spring/summer.

March?? And suffer with my 4090's shitty performance until then??

Yeeeeeaaaaahhhh, I know, it's kinda shitty, dude, but... BUT... I have decided to make the best of the situation so I rung up my assistant Jenny and I told her to saddle up the 'Jolly Roger' (that's my yacht) and I will be on a winter break with the gals until March-ish or so, ya know, a bit of Barbados, some Martinique and then prolly St. Kitts & Nevis for good measure, ya know, flying about in my 'Red Baron' (that's muh helo) when the sea gets too boring and if I need some fresh "air" haha... ya know, I'll live, bro... I'll live...

jdreyer wrote on Jan 30, 2025, 18:48:
March?? And suffer with my 4090's shitty performance until then??

However will you go on?

RogueSix wrote on Jan 30, 2025, 17:04:
Let's give it some time. nVidia might have jumped the gun a little. There was apparently some "miscommunication" with the board partners and nVidia also seem to be in some kind of fight with Samsung who are the supplier of at least the first batch of GDDR7 (and of some of the HBM modules for the pro AI cards). Or were, rather.
nVidia want to take all orders away from Samsung because they are/were unhappy with the HBM supply and quality (linky) and how Samsung was doing business with them.

People were wondering why Huang mentioned "Micron" as the GDDR7 supplier at the CES presentation in early January when it turned out that the first demo/press cards were actually equipped with Samsung memory. "Micron" might not have been a slip of the tongue as originally suspected.

There is probably a little turmoil behind the scenes because nVidia pulled the initial order(s) from Samsung and the next batches will likely really be Micron (and maybe SK Hynix?) but it may take some ramp up time before everything is in place and before production is full steam ahead at 100%.

It's a little muddy but putting 2 + 2 it seems pretty clear to me that nVidia jumped the gun and revealed/announced RTX 5090/5080 before the typical buildup phase of launch stock quantities had concluded. It will be interesting to see if Samsung GDDR7 will be used beyond the first batch of cards or if we will only see GDDR7 of other suppliers down the line.

Anyway, I'm pretty sure we will be seeing much better availability starting from March. It also took ~4 to 5 months after the launch of the RTX 4090 until the prices came down from €2500+ at launch to the €1700 - €1999 range. It's the new "normal".
Take a breather, relax. Don't support the greedy greasy disgusting scalpers. Things will be looking much better in spring/summer.

March?? And suffer with my 4090's shitty performance until then??

I hit up a Best Buy in person this morning just to try my luck. After standing in line for 30 minutes, the manager came out and said they didn't have any at all. Poor dude in front of me drove 6 hours to try to get one. Just let me get on a waiting list for one. I hate having to refresh their damn page every day and home I'm lucky.

Let's give it some time. nVidia might have jumped the gun a little. There was apparently some "miscommunication" with the board partners and nVidia also seem to be in some kind of fight with Samsung who are the supplier of at least the first batch of GDDR7 (and of some of the HBM modules for the pro AI cards). Or were, rather.
nVidia want to take all orders away from Samsung because they are/were unhappy with the HBM supply and quality (linky) and how Samsung was doing business with them.

People were wondering why Huang mentioned "Micron" as the GDDR7 supplier at the CES presentation in early January when it turned out that the first demo/press cards were actually equipped with Samsung memory. "Micron" might not have been a slip of the tongue as originally suspected.

There is probably a little turmoil behind the scenes because nVidia pulled the initial order(s) from Samsung and the next batches will likely really be Micron (and maybe SK Hynix?) but it may take some ramp up time before everything is in place and before production is full steam ahead at 100%.

It's a little muddy but putting 2 + 2 it seems pretty clear to me that nVidia jumped the gun and revealed/announced RTX 5090/5080 before the typical buildup phase of launch stock quantities had concluded. It will be interesting to see if Samsung GDDR7 will be used beyond the first batch of cards or if we will only see GDDR7 of other suppliers down the line.

Anyway, I'm pretty sure we will be seeing much better availability starting from March. It also took ~4 to 5 months after the launch of the RTX 4090 until the prices came down from €2500+ at launch to the €1700 - €1999 range. It's the new "normal".
Take a breather, relax. Don't support the greedy greasy disgusting scalpers. Things will be looking much better in spring/summer.

Miss me with this garbage. Holding out until at least 6090 Ti.

Xero wrote on Jan 30, 2025, 15:30:
Am I the only one that gets FOMO vibes when I see these type updates as soon as a new video card is released? It's like, aaaaaah! I'm being left behind with my 3090!!!! AAaaaah!!!

At this point, I might get excited just to jump to a 4090 if I could find one cheaper, but let's be real, graphic card prices right now, ESPECIALLY anything 90 is gaaaaaaawd damn.

I want to replace my 3090 with a 5090 but yikes on the 3500$+ ones and stock was impossible

Am I the only one that gets FOMO vibes when I see these type updates as soon as a new video card is released? It's like, aaaaaah! I'm being left behind with my 3090!!!! AAaaaah!!!

At this point, I might get excited just to jump to a 4090 if I could find one cheaper, but let's be real, graphic card prices right now, ESPECIALLY anything 90 is gaaaaaaawd damn.

theglaze wrote on Jan 30, 2025, 12:51:

Cram wrote on Jan 30, 2025, 11:58:
WTF do you get with Asus for well over $1000 over the FE.. bloatware software, RGB and a couple degrees C cooler performance?

Astral GPU is almost 20*C cooler than FE, giving it one of the highest OC speeds of an air-cooled 5090, resulting in 10% gain compared to 5090 at stock.

Maybe that's worth 15% bump on MSRP?

But a +40% increase is price gouging, so yes, I do agree with you

Let's not forget that the FE is a !!! 2 SLOT DESIGN !!!, that is insanely impressive! The ASUS one is a 4!!!!! slot design, it would be an embarrassment if it wasn't at least 15°C cooler under full load. The fact that it has to be a 4 slot kills any justification for the price.

theglaze wrote on Jan 30, 2025, 12:51:

Cram wrote on Jan 30, 2025, 11:58:
attempted to grab a 5090 FE earlier this morning despite my earlier comments about skipping the card. It went poorly, as expected.
I can't believe Asus wants over $4100 CAD or whatever for one of their models, when the FE is $2899.99 and also appears to have a good cooling solution already (minus the memory cooling which is apparently below average). WTF do you get with Asus for well over $1000 over the FE.. bloatware software, RGB and a couple degrees C cooler performance?

Astral GPU is almost 20*C cooler than FE, giving it one of the highest OC speeds of an air-cooled 5090, resulting in 10% gain compared to 5090 at stock.

Maybe that's worth 15% bump on MSRP?

But a +40% increase is price gouging, so yes, I do agree with you

Astral is the most expensive custom model and noisy as fuck (especially the 4th fan on the backside). As much as I like ASUS for mobos but their gfx cards are typically overpriced garbage.
I would advise looking at reviews of MSI Suprim instead which was also higher rated by TPU than the Astral.