U.S. TikTok Ban Upheld

The U.S. Supreme Court handed down its ruling on TikTok, rejecting an appeal claiming the recent law forcing a sale or closure of the Chinese social media app is a First Amendment violation. This upholds a ban in the U.S. that demands TikTok be closed or sold by Sunday, though the report on CNN notes it is still not entirely clear how this will work. It shares details on the case, saying the court acknowledged the outlet that TikTok provides, but ultimately ruled that the national security concerns that inspired the ban will carry the day. It also quotes President-elect Trump saying his executive branch will ultimately decide on the fate of the app he once opposed, despite this closure from the other two branches of government. Here's word on the decision:
In its opinion, the Supreme Court acknowledged that for 170 million Americans TikTok offers “a distinctive and expansive outlet for expression, means of engagement, and source of community.”

But the court said, Congress was focused on national security concerns and that, the court said, was a deciding factor in how it weighed the case.

“Congress has determined that divestiture is necessary to address its well-supported national security concerns regarding TikTok’s data collection practices and relationship with a foreign adversary,” the court wrote.
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RedEye9 wrote on Jan 20, 2025, 22:31:
Razumen wrote on Jan 20, 2025, 21:57:

Cry over something that's not true? You can literally search "Trump is mysognistic" and get results.

I can't wait for old Trumpy boy to finally achieve this supposed dictatorship that he somehow failed to even attempt the first time he was president.

If you'd read what I wrote, I started it with, "if it's true."
And chill. I didn't mean to pick on your Christ and Savior, Just pointing out that a lot of things he says are identical to what was said by the guy with the silly mustache.

As for the rest, it's a direct quote from the article. Maybe read a little past the dictatorship part and skip on down to 'campaign promises to revive the economy" to the end, because Donny has said every one of those things..

If you have a beef, take it up with The Atlantic.
Oh no, "revive the economy, reduce unemployment, increase military spending, withdraw from international treaty obligations!" The horror! TIL anyone that wants to do any of these is literally HITLER reincarnate!

The claim is nonsense anyways, like the rest after it.

It's funny you think I worship him, yet I'm just calling out BS for what it is. I'm not even American, and I'm glad I'm not, since you can't take criticism of your view without immediately assuming I'm on the other spectrum of the US' messed up political spectrum.
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Razumen wrote on Jan 20, 2025, 21:57:

Cry over something that's not true? You can literally search "Trump is mysognistic" and get results.

I can't wait for old Trumpy boy to finally achieve this supposed dictatorship that he somehow failed to even attempt the first time he was president.

If you'd read what I wrote, I started it with, "if it's true."
And chill. I didn't mean to pick on your Christ and Savior, Just pointing out that a lot of things he says are identical to what was said by the guy with the silly mustache.

As for the rest, it's a direct quote from the article. Maybe read a little past the dictatorship part and skip on down to 'campaign promises to revive the economy" to the end, because Donny has said every one of those things..

If you have a beef, take it up with The Atlantic.
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RedEye9 wrote on Jan 20, 2025, 21:14:
Mr. Tact wrote on Jan 20, 2025, 20:21:
Beamer wrote on Jan 20, 2025, 20:19:
Except anti-Trump searches are now being censored on Tiktok in the US
I don't know if I should laugh or cry.
If it's true, there's only one answer. Cry.
I'm going to post this one time, please note that you can substitute Adolf for donny and Americans for Germans.

How Hitler Dismantled a Democracy in 53 Days The Atlantic
Archived link http://archive.today/xh2Ci

Hitler opened the meeting by boasting that millions of Germans had welcomed his chancellorship with “jubilation,” then outlined his plans for expunging key government officials and filling their positions with loyalists. At this point he turned to his main agenda item: the empowering law that, he argued, would give him the time (four years, according to the stipulations laid out in the draft of the law) and the authority necessary to make good on his campaign promises to revive the economy, reduce unemployment, increase military spending, withdraw from international treaty obligations, purge the country of foreigners he claimed were “poisoning” the blood of the nation, and exact revenge on political opponents.
Cry over something that's not true? You can literally search "Trump is mysognistic" and get results.

I can't wait for old Trumpy boy to finally achieve this supposed dictatorship that he somehow failed to even attempt the first time he was president.
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Mr. Tact wrote on Jan 20, 2025, 20:21:
Beamer wrote on Jan 20, 2025, 20:19:
Except anti-Trump searches are now being censored on Tiktok in the US
I don't know if I should laugh or cry.
If it's true, there's only one answer. Cry.
I'm going to post this one time, please note that you can substitute Adolf for donny and Americans for Germans.

How Hitler Dismantled a Democracy in 53 Days The Atlantic
Archived link http://archive.today/xh2Ci

Hitler opened the meeting by boasting that millions of Germans had welcomed his chancellorship with “jubilation,” then outlined his plans for expunging key government officials and filling their positions with loyalists. At this point he turned to his main agenda item: the empowering law that, he argued, would give him the time (four years, according to the stipulations laid out in the draft of the law) and the authority necessary to make good on his campaign promises to revive the economy, reduce unemployment, increase military spending, withdraw from international treaty obligations, purge the country of foreigners he claimed were “poisoning” the blood of the nation, and exact revenge on political opponents.
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Beamer wrote on Jan 20, 2025, 20:19:
Except anti-Trump searches are now being censored on Tiktok in the US
I don't know if I should laugh or cry.
“Extinction is the rule. Survival is the exception.” -- Carl Sagan
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Razumen wrote on Jan 20, 2025, 19:07:
It's just about propaganda, they lost Twitter, and are now mad that a foreignly owned system is so popular. This is why they are so adamant about it being sold, and not just banned altogether from the start. Not to mention other Freudian slips by politicians alluding to it being about that more than "data security."

There's been no real evidence that it collects any more data than any other app, and the congressional hearing with the companies president was a joke, with questions like (and I'm not kidding): "Ïf I'm using Tiktok and put earphones in, does the app know what I'm thinking?" 🤣


Except anti-Trump searches are now being censored on Tiktok in the US
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Mr. Tact wrote on Jan 20, 2025, 19:53:
Well, China probably already owns all the tubes, right? I mean, that's all the internet is, a series of tubes.
Ted had a firm grasp on the tech
Ten movies streaming across that, that Internet, and what happens to your own personal Internet? I just the other day got... an Internet [email] was sent by my staff at 10 o'clock in the morning on Friday. I got it yesterday [Tuesday]. Why? Because it got tangled up with all these things going on the Internet commercially.
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Razumen wrote on Jan 20, 2025, 19:07:
It's just about propaganda, they lost Twitter, and are now mad that a foreignly owned system is so popular. This is why they are so adamant about it being sold, and not just banned altogether from the start. Not to mention other Freudian slips by politicians alluding to it being about that more than "data security."

There's been no real evidence that it collects any more data than any other app, and the congressional hearing with the companies president was a joke, with questions like (and I'm not kidding): "Ïf I'm using Tiktok and put earphones in, does the app know what I'm thinking?" 🤣
Well, China probably already owns all the tubes, right? I mean, that's all the internet is, a series of tubes.
“Extinction is the rule. Survival is the exception.” -- Carl Sagan
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It's just about propaganda, they lost Twitter, and are now mad that a foreignly owned system is so popular. This is why they are so adamant about it being sold, and not just banned altogether from the start. Not to mention other Freudian slips by politicians alluding to it being about that more than "data security."

There's been no real evidence that it collects any more data than any other app, and the congressional hearing with the companies president was a joke, with questions like (and I'm not kidding): "Ïf I'm using Tiktok and put earphones in, does the app know what I'm thinking?" 🤣
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Well, let's hope I'm right -- since it seems the ban is being lifted...
“Extinction is the rule. Survival is the exception.” -- Carl Sagan
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Jan 19, 2025, 20:56
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Jan 19, 2025, 20:56
 Jivaro
 
No Tact, We are looking at the same stuff, I don’t have special access to anything. We are just coming to different conclusions on the same info. It happens.
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Jivaro wrote on Jan 19, 2025, 03:44:
You don't see a difference between American commercial business interests and how they might abuse data access and Chinese government/millitary interests and how they might abuse acess? I admit to being surprised by that. I can say that I see a big difference, starting with the American population's ability to hold anyone accountable and working up from there. Our government is engaged in a cyber-cold war with the CCP, whether the populations want it or not. Most of the "damage" from Tik Tok is probably already done, but that is not a reason to not stop the bleeding. Do I believe that the threat is being overblown a bit? I would love to think so, but in truth I would have no idea. Both political parties getting together over two presidencies to find a way (multiple times) to apply a ban that even the Supreme Court couldn't undo is either conspiracy theory fuel or evidence that the threat is real depending on who you are and what you believe. I believe our politicians are too fucking selfish and money hungry to spend one second on anything both bipartisan AND unpopular with voters if it weren't for real. Maybe I will be wrong when it all shakes out but I feel pretty confident in the reasoning. We all have access to the same info out there. I read it and this is where I came out at but I am sure there are plenty of interpretations.
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It's just like I said, I don't like bans...I just don't have a better ideas.
Can you point me to an article which explains how the "data access" Tik Tok might provide is such a danger? Because I have read several articles on this subject and I haven't read anything to date which seemed any worse than the corporate nonsense which is going on all over the place. I mean, yeah -- on the face of it, we should be more worried about the Chinese government abusing "data access" than corporations doing so. What is this data? How is it a danger? And frankly, the fact politicians and the courts are signing off on this doesn't carry a lot of weight. Politicians are... well politicians. And the courts think corporations are people. To say they get things wrong sometimes is giving them a lot of credit.

Is the possibility of influence of the population by filling Tik Tok with pro Chinese propaganda the issue? If so frankly, I'm more worried by the propaganda the GOP fills our transmission frequencies with. I'll admit I could be wrong. Maybe I missed the information which makes this look more dangerous than I have seen so far. If you think you know what that is, and where I can read about it, let me know.
“Extinction is the rule. Survival is the exception.” -- Carl Sagan
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If there is such a "threat", why is the leader of one of those bipartisan political parties going to give TikTok a 90-day extension to avoid a ban.
Why did the current president not take advantage of the Supreme Court ruling to further add to his legacy?

As for the supremes, they we're rather lackluster in their unsigned opinion..
The justices went so far as to acknowledge that the ruling should not be seen as a sweeping precedent.

And Lord knows Scotus is far from perfect.

Korematsu v. United States (1944)
Fred Korematsu, a Japanese-American man, was arrested after authorities found out that he claimed to be a Mexican-American to avoid an internment camp during World War II. The court ruled that the rights of an individual were not as important as the need to protect the country during wartime. In 1998, President Bill Clinton awarded Korematsu the Presidential Medal of Freedom.

Plessy v. Ferguson (1896):
Homer Plessy was arrested when he refused to leave a whites-only segregated train car, claiming he was 7/8 white and only 1/8 black. The Supreme Court ruled that "separate but equal" facilities for blacks were constitutional, which remained the rule until Brown v. Board of Education in 1954.

In 2022, New York State Rifle & Pistol Association Inc. v. Bruen,
The Court ruled that a New York state law requiring someone to show proper cause before obtaining a permit to carry a concealed firearm violated the 14th Amendment.
The law had been in place for about a century.

Dred Scott v. Sandford (1857):
When Dred Scott asked a circuit court to reward him his freedom after moving to a free state, the Supreme Court ruled that Congress didn't have the right to prohibit slavery and, further, that those of African-American descent were not protected by the Constitution.

The Court recently overturned the long-standing constitutional right to abortion established in the 1973 landmark case Roe v. Wade and reaffirmed in 1992's Planned Parenthood v. Casey ruling.

And 2010's Citizens United v. FEC, just to name a few.
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Jan 19, 2025, 03:44
 Jivaro
 
You don't see a difference between American commercial business interests and how they might abuse data access and Chinese government/millitary interests and how they might abuse acess? I admit to being surprised by that. I can say that I see a big difference, starting with the American population's ability to hold anyone accountable and working up from there. Our government is engaged in a cyber-cold war with the CCP, whether the populations want it or not. Most of the "damage" from Tik Tok is probably already done, but that is not a reason to not stop the bleeding. Do I believe that the threat is being overblown a bit? I would love to think so, but in truth I would have no idea. Both political parties getting together over two presidencies to find a way (multiple times) to apply a ban that even the Supreme Court couldn't undo is either conspiracy theory fuel or evidence that the threat is real depending on who you are and what you believe. I believe our politicians are too fucking selfish and money hungry to spend one second on anything both bipartisan AND unpopular with voters if it weren't for real. Maybe I will be wrong when it all shakes out but I feel pretty confident in the reasoning. We all have access to the same info out there. I read it and this is where I came out at but I am sure there are plenty of interpretations.

All of that said, like you, I don't use the app and have very little skin in the social media game as we speak today. I wasn't interested when this industry started, missed MySpace altogether. Joined FB 4 years after it launched. I do most of my social online communication today with friends, family, and gamers thru Discord these days...not social media or email. I believe however that this whole exercise will have long term repurcussions across the tech industry and the world. I fear a "tit for tat" of app bans and government forced buyouts starting between countries, thus effectively regionalizing the Internet even more then politics and language itself already do. If things continue to go this way, these governements are going to take the Internet that the educational and commercial sectors built and turn it into just another highly inaccurate classroom globe with borders so we know where the countries start and stop. A Russian internet, a Chinese Internet, an American Internet, an Euro Internet.....then you will have all these small places try to join one of the "superpower" internets.....it's just all completely the opposite of what idealistic 19 year old Jivaro was hoping would happen with this Intenet thing....and I see it all going exactly that way. All the glorious perspective the Internet can grant you (with a little effort and critical thinking skills) reduced back down to the same perspective we had in 1985 when all you could do was buy a newspaper. So from that perspective, I really don't like the Tik Tok ban because it feels like a sledgehammer solution for a problem that might be able to be solved with a pair of tweezers.

It's just like I said, I don't like bans...I just don't have a better ideas.

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Jivaro wrote on Jan 17, 2025, 22:15:
National security is a legitimate issue, Tik Tok has to go in the absence of sufficient proof that it can protect our citizens data from the CCP. That said, this is the kind of thing that throws down a precedent that can and most likely will be abused in the future. I wish I had a better solution then a ban, I don't.
As opposed to all the corporations who are actually currently using that data to market people to other corporations? Personally, I think the national security angle is overblown. Could Chinese government force Tik Tok to give them data. Sure. Could the Chinese government try to use Tik Tok to influence US public opinion? Of course. I just don't really understand how this is that different from a US without Tik Tok.

All that said, I really couldn't freaking care. My only exposure to Tik Tok is when clip from it shows up in a news article. Never been to their site, never logged into it, certainly never download the app.
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 Jivaro
 
National security is a legitimate issue, Tik Tok has to go in the absence of sufficient proof that it can protect our citizens data from the CCP. That said, this is the kind of thing that throws down a precedent that can and most likely will be abused in the future. I wish I had a better solution then a ban, I don't. Personally, I would have sold Tik Tok if I was ByteDance. India already banned the app due to that skirmish with China back in 2022. Now the US is going to skip it? How much is it worth without both of them as opposed to one of them? Maybe it's just me, but the smart business move in my mind would have been to sell and move on with your windfall in the bank. Make it someone else's headache.

edit: The amount of people switching to Red Note is pretty hilarious for all the obvious reasons.
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I hope more stupid American moved to RedNote (Xiaohongshu), they need to have a taste of real China's "Freedom of Speech".
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Jim wrote on Jan 17, 2025, 18:52:
We have porn hub for that, at least until the next supreme court ruling :-)
You might want to revise your "we". Wink
As of Jan. 16, over 1/3 of Americans (122+ million) are blocked from accessing Pornhub in the following 17 states.
Alabama 5
Arkansas 3
Florida 23
Idaho 2
Indiana 7
Kansas 3
Kentucky 4
Mississippi 3
Montana 1
Nebraska 2
North Carolina 11
Oklahoma 4
South Carolina 5
Tennessee 7
Texas 31
Utah 3
Virginia 8
# in millions (loosely rounded)

sourced
https://mashable.com/article/pornhub-blocked-states-2025
https://worldpopulationreview.com/states
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RogueSix wrote on Jan 17, 2025, 16:18:
Haha no more jacking off to scantily clad TikTok girlies for ya yanks!
We have porn hub for that, at least until the next supreme court ruling :-)
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Kosumo wrote on Jan 17, 2025, 16:28:
So what the odds that when Musk buys it, he renames it "TixTox"
Like all things musk, I'm sure it will be .... "toXic"


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