Oneprince wrote on Dec 9, 2024, 09:56:
@RogueSix What is it about Marvel Rivals, with 444k players, gets a "pretty successful launch" from you, but POE2 with 555k, gets a negative "idjits" comment? Is it just a F2P? Or is it GGG? Yeah... We get it.

Roguesix just trolls any game he doesn't like, he's incapable of understanding the reality that different people have different preferences, and that him not liking a game doesn't make it a bad game. And in the case people do like something he doesn't, he instantly jumps to the worst possible assessment of them.

Just got through ACT 2 and I actively hate the boss fights. They were clearly going for a dark souls vibe and while the combat engine itself is pretty solid for an ARPG, I'm not having fun at all. Bosses just have way too much HP and it's this protracted chip-fest where you get to start over any time you lose focus and fall asleep and run out of flask. And they rarely drop anything.

I have zero desire to continue act 3 at this point, so I'm going to wait and see where they go with the balancing. Community seems split down the middle so, we'll see, but I can't imagine them leaving the drop-rates like they are now. In its current form, it sure isn't for me.

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Oneprince wrote on Dec 9, 2024, 09:56:
@RogueSix What is it about Marvel Rivals, with 444k players, gets a "pretty successful launch" from you, but POE2 with 555k, gets a negative "idjits" comment? Is it just a F2P? Or is it GGG? Yeah... We get it.

I was obviously (I hope) joking and exaggerating a little with the "idjit" thing .

But, yeah, I definitely don't get it. Part 1 I don't get is why people submit themselves to this Early Access garbage in the first place. It is literally the worst time to buy/play a game when it is released in Early Access as it is unfinished by design. It is neither feature nor content-complete, usually fuggy as buck, doesn't have achievements (if you care about fluff like that), and it comes with a myriad of other downsides like maybe saves getting rekt by patches/updates etc. etc. etc.

Part 2 I don't get is why you would pay for Early Access of a game that is eventually going to end up being F2P. I mean, Early Access is already like getting shat on but paying for the "privilege", even though the game is going to be free in due time, is like asking for a triple flush super turd to be dropped on ya face. Seriously. What the actual fuck?!?

You could play the game for free if you had a modicum of patience but you're still paying for being an alpha testing slave. That is idjicy overload, dude. Tilt. Does not compute. Division by zero. The end. Arma-fucking-geddon.

RogueSix wrote on Dec 8, 2024, 15:31:
lol@idjits paying for a F2P game

If no one gave money to F2P games, there would essentially be no more F2P games.

GGG has earned a level of trust by having a 10+ year game with zero P2W microtransactions despite almost every other F2P game being infested with them.

Also: Finding the game is harder than PoE (early on - now nearing end Act2). Mainly the bosses that reset if you die. Loot has not been kind to me

phinn wrote on Dec 9, 2024, 10:22:
a mindless spamfest Diablo clone that Diablo has become but without the story and music.

Mindless : Look at a screenshot of the skilltree for POE and POE2....that puts paid any ideas that the game is 'mindless'. When you consider that the **exact** wording on every skill/gem/item is part of a massively complex logic tree you can fall down a rabbit hole really quick. OR....you can just play the game for the fun of it and skip the more in depth min/maxing.

Spamfest : POE1 can be an insane speedrun/spamfest if you follow one of the uber-OP guides and invest a huge amount of time into maps/crafting/trading. It's a pretty fast game even with a good but unoptimized build. POE2 has been very slow and tactical in comparison....which for me is just as fun.

Story and Music : There is a story to both that is about as in depth as any Diablo storyline....kind of tropey, but keeps things moving. The sound is good, but probably not as great as Blizzard's scoring.

Bugs and Launch issues : I had an issue with my key on launch day....because I didn't read everything when I bought a supporter pack. The servers have gone offline for very short periods a handful of times the last few days. I've had the issue with Town Portals either disappearing or not linking properly to town....which is a minor inconvenience. There is a huge amount of character building content that is not yet implemented and will be released as the game continues development. There are only three Acts in the game so far, with a NG+ mechanic for later game play. POE launched the same way with them adding more and more acts as the years and Leagues carried on....

phinn wrote on Dec 9, 2024, 10:22:
Never played PoE 1 or 2, this does look decent. Do people generally recommend this or is it just more of a mindless spamfest Diablo clone that Diablo has become but without the story and music.

Haven't tried 2 yet, but I assume it really hasn't changed much from 1. PoE is a hard core ARPG. It is complex with lots of interaction from talents/skills. There is a ton of flexibility on how you build characters. Which is both good and bad. Yeah, you can do cool stuff. But you can also go down dead ends that don't really work past the beginning of the game. The content can be fun, but you aren't going to reach the "end game" content without many hundreds of hours. And even then, only if you have built a character capable of doing the content, not all of them are.

Also to reach the end game content you are going to have to either 1) have the RNG gods on your side or 2) trade for some items. While that might not seem like a terrible thing, it is actually a pain in the ass. In part because of the currency system, there are a dozen or more things which count as currency. You have to interact with another player to do a trade, there is no automated system where someone could put up Weapon XYZ for 35 currency of ABC. So, figuring all that out is done with third party tools. And even though they are pretty good, you can ping a dozen different people for the same item you are looking for and not get an answer. It is just annoying.

So, it can be a good game. It can also be very frustrating. But hey, what do you want for free?

phinn wrote on Dec 9, 2024, 10:22:
Never played PoE 1 or 2, this does look decent. Do people generally recommend this or is it just more of a mindless spamfest Diablo clone that Diablo has become but without the story and music.

This is just my opinion and ymmv. I've been a Diablo fan since it began. To me, Diablo in the later years with the seasons is just a blast. This one? I've tried multiple times to get into it and it just feels bland. It feels like you need to read up on some guides b/c going off on your own to pick skills just doesn't feel as powerful as the Diablo games do. Of course, Diablo games have prob a 128th the skills this game does lol. I have watched videos of PoE 1 on builds and while things look cool later on, getting there feels like a slogfest. I have played the first section a few times now, with different characters and it just feels underwheling to me. Other games that have many skills and cross characters, such as Grim Dawn and Last Epoch, just feel more rewarding as you level up.

Again, this may be for you but I just couldn't get hooked into it. Maybe when PoE2 comes out it will feel different but as of right now, I just can't play the 1st because it feels boring and not rewarding.

phinn wrote on Dec 9, 2024, 10:22:
Never played PoE 1 or 2, this does look decent. Do people generally recommend this or is it just more of a mindless spamfest Diablo clone that Diablo has become but without the story and music.

IMO there are three main selling points of PoE. First, there's a ridiculously huge number of skills, mechanics, and unique items that can interact to produce bizarre character builds. Second, the item crafting system allows for producing some disgustingly powerful items if you can afford it. That's kindof what the endgame is all about. Third, if you know how to min-max correctly, you can become so insanely OP that entire zones get obliterated in 3 or 4 minutes. It's a bit of a rush.

One of the design goals PoE 2, though, is to slow the game down to make it less of a clicky spamfast once you've got your build in working order. Jury's still out on whether this decision will make the game more fun.

Never played PoE 1 or 2, this does look decent. Do people generally recommend this or is it just more of a mindless spamfest Diablo clone that Diablo has become but without the story and music.

@RogueSix What is it about Marvel Rivals, with 444k players, gets a "pretty successful launch" from you, but POE2 with 555k, gets a negative "idjits" comment? Is it just a F2P? Or is it GGG? Yeah... We get it.

I'll give the people who paid $30 to beta test a bit more time to work out the issues. There isn't exactly a shortage of games to play.

@RogueSix

Wow, you must be really insightful to understand the intentions of so many people. By the way, 'idiot' is spelled 'idiot.'

BicycleRepairMan wrote on Dec 9, 2024, 09:24:

WaltSee wrote on Dec 9, 2024, 08:42:
Looks great, but I'll wait a few days when I can get in sans the $30. I got a lot of enjoyment out of the first one, and played it until I just couldn't anymore...;)

So "a few days" will be "minimum 6 months" according to the developer, but "not more than a year". Just a heads up

Allthough, if you have a friend that has a spare key, or you spent a bunch in POE1 you might get in free.

WaltSee wrote on Dec 9, 2024, 08:42:
Looks great, but I'll wait a few days when I can get in sans the $30. I got a lot of enjoyment out of the first one, and played it until I just couldn't anymore...;)

So "a few days" will be "minimum 6 months" according to the developer, but "not more than a year". Just a heads up

Looks great, but I'll wait a few days when I can get in sans the $30. I got a lot of enjoyment out of the first one, and played it until I just couldn't anymore...;)

The game in its current state seems really stable, really polished and has a massive amount of content. In 4-5 hrs of play so far I havnet seen a single bug or issue in the game, with the exception of the server being crowded, so sometimes i had to try several times to teleport back to the prep village. (No crashes, just an error message in chat/console).

Anyway , buying this game for 30$ is totally worth it. Tons of fun for 30$, probably more fun than buying Diablo 4 for 60 at launch.

If you are not interested, NOT buying the game is always an option...

RogueSix wrote on Dec 9, 2024, 00:06:

Razumen wrote on Dec 8, 2024, 23:44:
Nope, they're just supporting a great game they like from good devs.

Nope. Let's face it. It's just an idjit mass FOMO hysteria phenomenon. People are just buying it cuz they can not be NOT the kewl kid talking about it when "everyone" else does. Same idjit FOMO phenomenon as the preorder idjicy.

There is no FOMO, nor hysteria. Playing now will not get you anything you can't get later. They're just playing a game they like earlier because they can. Occam's Razer.

Razumen wrote on Dec 8, 2024, 23:44:
Nope, they're just supporting a great game they like from good devs.

Nope. Let's face it. It's just an idjit mass FOMO hysteria phenomenon. People are just buying it cuz they can not be NOT the kewl kid talking about it when "everyone" else does. Same idjit FOMO phenomenon as the preorder idjicy.

BicycleRepairMan wrote on Dec 8, 2024, 22:34:
I have never gotten into an ARPG/Diablo-style game before. including POE1. The control scheme never made any sense to me, the click to move stuff.. feels all wrong..

POE2 feels different. It has WASD movement, and within a few minutes, it started clicking into place. Oh, did I say minutes? It was suddenly 4 hrs later for some reason.

This game is awesome.... art, enemies, sound, weapons... its difficult to know where to even begin... just get it.

It's pretty funny how long it took ARPGs to catch on to the fact that being able to separate movement from the mouse was a good idea, especially when it was proven to work great in similar games.

RogueSix wrote on Dec 8, 2024, 22:55:
F2P title (in fucking EARLY ACCESS at that) is platinum elite idjit level .

Nope, they're just supporting a great game they like from good devs.

Avus wrote on Dec 8, 2024, 21:55:
not much more "idjits" than buying AAA/AAAA games at launch or keep buying battle passes/MTX for a $70 US games.

Very true but 555K idjits buying a F2P title (in fucking EARLY ACCESS at that) is platinum elite idjit level .