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You can't make something like that happen simply because you want it, you have to earn it. And they haven't earned it since D3 dropped and other games surpassed it by far.
We used to call these ARPGs right? To differentiate between traditional CRPGs and JRPGs.
Now I guess to be more specific it's like (isometric) click-fest ARPG? Looter ARPG?
Now I guess to be more specific it's like (isometric) click-fest ARPG? Looter ARPG?
JTW wrote on Nov 30, 2024, 13:51:Had to look it up and damn, I learned something today. Though, "Beneath Apple Manor-like" doesn't exactly roll off the tongue.
Most people I know already do.
Yeah, it should technically be the oldest that gets the -like, but in reality it's usually the one that popularizes the genre. Otherwise we'd be discussing Beneath Apple Manor-likes instead of Roguelikes.
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MattyC wrote on Nov 30, 2024, 11:11:Solemn-Philosopher wrote on Nov 29, 2024, 14:11:
In the early days of Diablo we use to call them Diablo clones. However, with the later Diablo games becoming less popular, I think it has simply fallen out of favor for "Action Role-Playing games" (ARPGs). I don't disagree that the original Diablo is the grandfather of these games, but meh. I'm not sure you can force certain slang terms from becoming the widely accepted name for a game genre (like Roguelike or Metroidvania).
I don’t know that I would agree with that. D2 was incredibly popular and still played to this day. D3 is one of the best selling PC games of all time. I don’t think D4 moved nearly as many total numbers, but IIRC it was the fastest selling Blizzard game to date.
I don’t know that we need to tie the genre to one game, or that this is the game, but I don’t think it’s because the title series is less popular.
Perhaps you are correct, though I think Diablo 3, Diablo Immortal (mobile game), and Diablo 4 is when the game started getting increasing push-back and lost its longevity. It reminds me of Star Wars. Most of the fandom seems to hate the new films, but the films still do quite well in theaters.
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The oldest similar game to diablo would be gauntlet I think. Top down action hack n slash. Rogue games were out too and they are very diablo like.
edit: NVM, someone already said rogue (I dont remember nethack)
edit: NVM, someone already said rogue (I dont remember nethack)
Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.
Most people I know already do.
Yeah, it should technically be the oldest that gets the -like, but in reality it's usually the one that popularizes the genre. Otherwise we'd be discussing Beneath Apple Manor-likes instead of Roguelikes.
Yeah, it should technically be the oldest that gets the -like, but in reality it's usually the one that popularizes the genre. Otherwise we'd be discussing Beneath Apple Manor-likes instead of Roguelikes.
Jim wrote on Nov 30, 2024, 12:26:
Was diablo legitimately the first looter-rpg that inspired all the games that came afterward? If not, then who?
Anyway I get that he would like the free advertising. Like souls-like. Other games used similar concepts but it was fromsoft that really integrated all the concepts.
Respawning enemies, bonfire, bosses that block progression. Retrying instead of reloading save files.
The version given to history is that David Brevik, the creator of Diablo, was inspired by games like Rogue and Nethack. He wanted something like that, but real-time, and Diablo was born from that concept. There isn't a game specifically like Diablo before Diablo that I am aware of or that Brevik has ever given credit to.
Was diablo legitimately the first looter-rpg that inspired all the games that came afterward? If not, then who?
Anyway I get that he would like the free advertising. Like souls-like. Other games used similar concepts but it was fromsoft that really integrated all the concepts.
Respawning enemies, bonfire, bosses that block progression. Retrying instead of reloading save files.
Anyway I get that he would like the free advertising. Like souls-like. Other games used similar concepts but it was fromsoft that really integrated all the concepts.
Respawning enemies, bonfire, bosses that block progression. Retrying instead of reloading save files.
Of course he wants the genre to be named after his game....makes it easier to sell when everyone has to say your name just to identify the games.
Grim Dawnabees?
Titanalikes?
Torchlikes?
I understand what he's saying though.
Titanalikes?
Torchlikes?
I understand what he's saying though.
Solemn-Philosopher wrote on Nov 29, 2024, 14:11:
In the early days of Diablo we use to call them Diablo clones. However, with the later Diablo games becoming less popular, I think it has simply fallen out of favor for "Action Role-Playing games" (ARPGs). I don't disagree that the original Diablo is the grandfather of these games, but meh. I'm not sure you can force certain slang terms from becoming the widely accepted name for a game genre (like Roguelike or Metroidvania).
I don’t know that I would agree with that. D2 was incredibly popular and still played to this day. D3 is one of the best selling PC games of all time. I don’t think D4 moved nearly as many total numbers, but IIRC it was the fastest selling Blizzard game to date.
I don’t know that we need to tie the genre to one game, or that this is the game, but I don’t think it’s because the title series is less popular.
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"linguistic colonialism"...... so Diablo-like is oppression.
By his logic then, Diablo should be called Gauntlet-like, since you run around killing monsters and their generators until you take out the boss for that level.
Yeah, and all FPS games from now on shall be called "wolfenstein-like". Diablo devs on full copium mode after Path of Exile 2 has sold a bajillion copies before it's even out Its the second biggest earner on steam, after the Steam Deck. And oh, its on other platforms as well.
Its the second biggest earner on steam, after the Steam Deck. And oh, its on other platforms as well.
AlexSledge wrote on Nov 29, 2024, 18:46:I'm a Titan-like man myself.
I prefer Exile-likes.
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El Pit wrote on Nov 29, 2024, 17:36:"Diabolicals." It was right there!
Diabolique games?
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AlexSledge wrote on Nov 29, 2024, 18:46:If you follow that path, you will live forever in exile.
I prefer Exile-likes.
Which might not be bad at all.
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Xero wrote on Nov 29, 2024, 20:45:
Just call them Deadmau games cause after playing enough of them, you'll surely need a new mouse.
Heh. That was pretty good.
Just call them Deadmau games cause after playing enough of them, you'll surely need a new mouse.
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