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My jury duty experience yesterday was simultaneously quite interesting and quite
boring. It did clarify we were called in because they would be empanelling a
jury, otherwise we would have stayed at home. They hit us up front with some
discussion of the process and a couple of videos about the values of the system.
I had already decided my civic duty was to not try and worm out of this, and the
presentations only reinforced my conviction that I would be happy to serve if
called. It would be a pretty painful disruption for updating things here, but
it felt right, not to mention it was to be a three-day civil trial. But my
name was not among the 19 picked randomly for voir dire, which was about a 50/50
chance since there were 41 of us (out of 80 notices). The lawyers spent the rest
of the morning and about an hour after lunch with that group, and it started to
become clear they were able to successfully assemble a jury from those candidates. Sure
enough, the rest of us were eventually thanked for our service and dismissed. If
you want to chalk it up to karma, my willingness to participate probably helped.
And speaking of willingness to participate, there's a twist about that here. Having served, even in the minimal fashion I did, comes with a six-year reprieve from having to serve again. In researching my duties, I read that there's also a waiver you can sign that makes you eligible to serve again starting in three years. This made me wonder who could love this process so much to do that? Then I learned that the six year dealie only applies to state and local court, and local service only provides four years of grace from jury duty in a Federal Court. And despite being a couple of hours away from Manhattan these days, we are still part of the famed Southern District of New York. Attending a trial in New York City every day would be an enormous difficulty for me just getting back and forth, much less trying to keep up with things here. Also, those trials can go on for months and end up with jurors being sequestered. So the answer to the question of who would file a waiver to reenter the potential jury pool early is me. Now that I know how this works, I will submit that paperwork and keep my fingers crossed that I hear from the state again before the feds get to me.
Obituary: Tony Todd Dead: 'Candyman' & 'The Crow' Actor With Hundreds Of Credits Was 69 - Deadline.
And speaking of willingness to participate, there's a twist about that here. Having served, even in the minimal fashion I did, comes with a six-year reprieve from having to serve again. In researching my duties, I read that there's also a waiver you can sign that makes you eligible to serve again starting in three years. This made me wonder who could love this process so much to do that? Then I learned that the six year dealie only applies to state and local court, and local service only provides four years of grace from jury duty in a Federal Court. And despite being a couple of hours away from Manhattan these days, we are still part of the famed Southern District of New York. Attending a trial in New York City every day would be an enormous difficulty for me just getting back and forth, much less trying to keep up with things here. Also, those trials can go on for months and end up with jurors being sequestered. So the answer to the question of who would file a waiver to reenter the potential jury pool early is me. Now that I know how this works, I will submit that paperwork and keep my fingers crossed that I hear from the state again before the feds get to me.
Obituary: Tony Todd Dead: 'Candyman' & 'The Crow' Actor With Hundreds Of Credits Was 69 - Deadline.
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Bent wrote on Nov 10, 2024, 00:42:
I wasn't clear. My point was that people couldn't use that to argue that jurors should also get minimum wage, since, in the U.S., prisoners don't get minimum wage either.
What about conscripted soldiers? They get a salary and food, clothing shelter to boot. And people doing jury duty aren't convicts so they should at least get a minimum wage.
“With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably." - Aaron Sati
By a twist of fate rather than choice, I’ve had the privilege of being called for jury duty multiple times over the years. These experiences have been eye-opening, revealing the intricate workings of the legal system and proving that truth can indeed be stranger than fiction. As someone who enjoys observing people and is deeply concerned with justice, I wouldn’t trade those jury duties for anything. Each trial showcased both the ingenuity and folly of humanity, offering a profound insight into the power of language and social engineering.
Serving on a jury provides a unique vantage point to witness the complexities of human behavior and the legal process. It underscores the importance of critical thinking and the role of jurors in ensuring a fair trial. The courtroom becomes a stage where the drama of real life unfolds, often more compelling than any fictional narrative. Through these experiences, one gains a deeper appreciation for the judicial system and the societal impact of each verdict.
Serving on a jury provides a unique vantage point to witness the complexities of human behavior and the legal process. It underscores the importance of critical thinking and the role of jurors in ensuring a fair trial. The courtroom becomes a stage where the drama of real life unfolds, often more compelling than any fictional narrative. Through these experiences, one gains a deeper appreciation for the judicial system and the societal impact of each verdict.
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Six years? For me, it seemed like I got a jury summons every year or every two years.
RIP Tony Todd. Had a unique voice. I'll miss it.
RIP Tony Todd. Had a unique voice. I'll miss it.
I wasn't clear. My point was that people couldn't use that to argue that jurors should also get minimum wage, since, in the U.S., prisoners don't get minimum wage either.
Bent wrote on Nov 9, 2024, 21:14:Does this vary by state or county?
Yes. Arkansas, Colorado, Connecticut, Georgia, Massachusetts, and South Dakota pay $50/day which is much more than most other states, although New York is close at $40/day. New Jersey is $5/day.even convicts..
In the U.S., most prison laborers make pennies per hour, so people can't try that angle.
Yeah, but they're also fed clothed and sheltered at considerable cost. Consider that part of the debt to society. It's not supposed to be a holiday camp.
“With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably." - Aaron Sati
Does this vary by state or county?
Yes. Arkansas, Colorado, Connecticut, Georgia, Massachusetts, and South Dakota pay $50/day which is much more than most other states, although New York is close at $40/day. New Jersey is $5/day.
even convicts..
In the U.S., most prison laborers make pennies per hour, so people can't try that angle.
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Jim wrote on Nov 9, 2024, 20:44:DUIs go to trial?
most trials it seems are for DUI's. did you find out what yours was for?
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most trials it seems are for DUI's. did you find out what yours was for?
Bent wrote on Nov 9, 2024, 15:06:
There are finally signs of jury pay being increased past the old $10/day set back in the 1950s for most states. It hasn't budged very far since then for most places. Adjusting for inflation should have multiplied that by more than 10 times over.
Does this vary by state or county? I last got a jury summons in 2020, during COVID, but I didn't have to report. I've only had to actually go in twice for jury selection. I wasn't selected either time, but I got paid $50 for that day.
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Bent wrote on Nov 9, 2024, 15:06:
There are finally signs of jury pay being increased past the old $10/day set back in the 1950s for most states. It hasn't budged very far since then for most places. Adjusting for inflation should have multiplied that by more than 10 times over.
Although it isn't a big a deal for people in some states that make employers pay them for jury duty time, a pretty large share of people are gig workers or contractors now. Most are completely screwed if they get called for a long trial. Although a few gig companies do pay for jury duty.
People have tried to fight it on minimum wage grounds, but the courts ruled that jurors aren't employees.
I wonder how they came to that conclusion. Seeing as you don't have a choice in the matter that technically makes you a conscript of the state. At a minimum you should be paid state minimum wage. Jesus, even convicts get paid that. Just checked Ontario...."Jurors receive the following payment for serving on a jury: Day one to ten: No fee. Day 11 to 49: $40 per day. Day 50 to the last day of trial: $100 per day." That's absurd. No one should have to lose money by serving.
“With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably." - Aaron Sati
Bodolza wrote on Nov 9, 2024, 15:59:
When the new Crow remake came out a few months ago, I realized I hadn't watched the original in decades, so I put it on the TV last night. It's a bit rough around the edges, but a damn fine movie. Obviously a really influential one too. Blade and The Matrix clearly took some of their visual style from this movie. Anyways, I had totally forgotten that Tony Todd had a major part. Just a few minutes after watching him get killed near the end of the movie, I check Instagram and see he's past away. Spooky.
Love that film. It just oozes style. Tin Tin was my favorite bad guy, "Murder? Let me tell you about murder. It's fun, it's easy and you gonna' learn all about it. I'd like to introduce you to two buddies of mine. They never miss." And Michael Wincott as Top Dollar is just awesome as he is in all things.
“With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably." - Aaron Sati
When the new Crow remake came out a few months ago, I realized I hadn't watched the original in decades, so I put it on the TV last night. It's a bit rough around the edges, but a damn fine movie. Obviously a really influential one too. Blade and The Matrix clearly took some of their visual style from this movie. Anyways, I had totally forgotten that Tony Todd had a major part. Just a few minutes after watching him get killed near the end of the movie, I check Instagram and see he's past away. Spooky.
There are finally signs of jury pay being increased past the old $10/day set back in the 1950s for most states. It hasn't budged very far since then for most places. Adjusting for inflation should have multiplied that by more than 10 times over.
Although it isn't a big a deal for people in some states that make employers pay them for jury duty time, a pretty large share of people are gig workers or contractors now. Most are completely screwed if they get called for a long trial. Although a few gig companies do pay for jury duty.
People have tried to fight it on minimum wage grounds, but the courts ruled that jurors aren't employees.
This comment was edited on Nov 9, 2024, 16:06.
Although it isn't a big a deal for people in some states that make employers pay them for jury duty time, a pretty large share of people are gig workers or contractors now. Most are completely screwed if they get called for a long trial. Although a few gig companies do pay for jury duty.
People have tried to fight it on minimum wage grounds, but the courts ruled that jurors aren't employees.
This comment was edited on Nov 9, 2024, 16:06.
The Pyro wrote on Nov 9, 2024, 13:18:Oh I don't know about that. One of my sisters was in a jury for a fraud trial. And from what she told me it was pretty comical. The guy suing for fraud was clearly out of his depth apparently. Two days of mostly pointless and silly testimony, 2 hours of deliberation by the jury -- which included them being served lunch.
On the one hand, it's never fun to serve on a jury.
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On the one hand, it's never fun to serve on a jury. But on the other hand, these random pools of people off the street need every ounce of common sense they can get.
The Flying Penguin wrote on Nov 9, 2024, 11:01:
Rest in Peace Tony Todd. Today was not a good day to die. : (
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Rest in peace.
Everything was better starring Tony Todd. Rest in peace, sir. Your contribution made many low and mid-buget movies way better than they actually should have been. Thank you.
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Rest in Peace Tony Todd. Today was not a good day to die. : (
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