Tipsy McStagger wrote on Nov 12, 2024, 15:42:
Got my preorder in 4 days and now I have a problem of I don't have a mobo picked out!! hahah... I'm not even sure what I should get.

Stick with Gigabyte x870e aorus pro or go ASRock Tachi Lite or RS pro etc.

I won't get mine until the 19th, but I'm waiting until black Friday sales anyway to grab a mobo, ram, and new ATX 3.1 power supply (in preparation for the Nvidia 5000 cards).

In any case, the x870e mobos are seriously overpriced, and there isn't much point in getting one over a x670e, which is probably what I'll be going for, unless the x870e's are crazy discounted (doubtful).

Got my preorder in 4 days and now I have a problem of I don't have a mobo picked out!! hahah... I'm not even sure what I should get.

Stick with Gigabyte x870e aorus pro or go ASRock Tachi Lite or RS pro etc.

VaranDragon wrote on Nov 7, 2024, 03:07:
What's the boot up time of a Ryzen 7 system? (From a completely shut down state, say with Windows installed on an SSD)

About the same as my old i7-8700 system. Both equipped with MSI mobos.

I haven't noticed much of a difference if at all.

Tom wrote on Nov 7, 2024, 07:47:

Simon Says wrote on Nov 6, 2024, 19:44:
No I'm saying both can be right. Can you not figure out that simple problem by yourself?

Was that necessary?

Sorry, was a bit tired yesterday and you got sprayed... :/

Doesn't help that I'm also sick and tired of explaining this.

This comment was edited on Nov 7, 2024, 10:40.

Simon Says wrote on Nov 6, 2024, 19:44:
No I'm saying both can be right. Can you not figure out that simple problem by yourself?

Was that necessary?

Tom wrote on Nov 6, 2024, 18:57:

Simon Says wrote on Nov 6, 2024, 16:12:
That old myth is dying hard I see.

Total system idle power consumption is the same VS an equivalent Intel system.

Has been for generations now.

Sources:

Source 1

Source 2

And you can lower it further with some easy undervolt tweaks to the Vsoc voltage ( my reported idle CPU consumption on 7800X3D is around 12-15W after the undervolt ).

The 35W number came from p.4 of the Tom's Hardware 9800X3D review:

Note that AMD's chips generally have a higher idle power draw. I've measured this on a few motherboards, so this might be applicable across the AM5 ecosystem. AMD's AM5 chips can draw up to ~35W of power during idle compared to 12W with Intel's Core Ultra, a significant disadvantage. This is certainly something AMD should look to address with future firmware updates, as there's little reason for a modern CPU architecture to idle at such high power levels.

Are you saying that's wrong?

High idle power consumption is definitely a regrettable downside of AMD CPUs and the whole platform. The chipsets (especially X670E and X870E dual Promontory chips) also suck a lot of power so an AMD system can easily reach 100W+ just idling which is MUCH higher than a comparable Intel system.
See, for example, here at Tom's. ASUS ROG CROSSHAIR HERO X870E draws 103W at idle or here where you can see up to 156W idle(!) power consumption of X870 systems.

This makes it an even greater pity that AMD has been so lazy with the X870 platform. They really should have worked on an all new chipset with better power metrics as well as improved this aspect on their Zen 5 CPUs as well (like a new IOD instead of reusing the old one from Zen 4). Oh well, maybe next time... (Zen 6)

VaranDragon wrote on Nov 7, 2024, 03:07:
What's the boot up time of a Ryzen 7 system? (From a completely shut down state, say with Windows installed on an SSD)

I recently built a new system with a 9700X on an ASUS ROG STRIX X870E-E mainboard. Boot times are the same as my Intel i9-13900K system before. The only difference is when you boot up the system for the very first time and change any memory settings or after a BIOS update when you reapply the EXPO profile. That is when the system will take ~2 minutes to boot up. The screen is black, the fans are running at 100% and you just have to wait for the memory training to finish.

I just experienced that again yesterday when I updated the BIOS to version 0606. It is only the first time after (re-)applying the EXPO profile. After that it will boot from cold & dark to the Windows login screen in 15 - 20 seconds or so.
For the record, I have not manually activated/enabled Memory Context Restore. I have disabled some onboard components which might slightly speed up the boot sequence, namely the LAN controller (I use WiFi only), the onboard sound and Bluetooth as well as SATA completely (I only have m.2/NVMe SSDs installed).

What's the boot up time of a Ryzen 7 system? (From a completely shut down state, say with Windows installed on an SSD)

bjack wrote on Nov 6, 2024, 23:03:

ehushagen wrote on Nov 6, 2024, 18:10:
It kinda feels weird not going to Anandtech to read a CPU review.

Yep. Now what? Am I supposed to start using Tiktok?

Wow I missed they shut down, and just recently too. Gonna miss them.

ehushagen wrote on Nov 6, 2024, 18:10:
It kinda feels weird not going to Anandtech to read a CPU review.

Yep. Now what? Am I supposed to start using Tiktok?

Tom wrote on Nov 6, 2024, 18:57:

Simon Says wrote on Nov 6, 2024, 16:12:
That old myth is dying hard I see.

Total system idle power consumption is the same VS an equivalent Intel system.

Has been for generations now.

Sources:

Source 1

Source 2

And you can lower it further with some easy undervolt tweaks to the Vsoc voltage ( my reported idle CPU consumption on 7800X3D is around 12-15W after the undervolt ).

The 35W number came from p.4 of the Tom's Hardware 9800X3D review:

Note that AMD's chips generally have a higher idle power draw. I've measured this on a few motherboards, so this might be applicable across the AM5 ecosystem. AMD's AM5 chips can draw up to ~35W of power during idle compared to 12W with Intel's Core Ultra, a significant disadvantage. This is certainly something AMD should look to address with future firmware updates, as there's little reason for a modern CPU architecture to idle at such high power levels.

Are you saying that's wrong?

No I'm saying both can be right. Can you not figure out that simple problem by yourself?

Hints:

One system indicates 35W on the CPU while idle, the other indicates 12W.

Both systems indicate the same total idle system power draw from the wall, say 75W ( 7800X3D number from source #2 ).

Both systems have similar motherboards, same RAM, same of the rest of the components. What is the variable?

Answer:

One platform segregates the measured powered draw of the CPU differently from the other platform.

You can also see this phenomenon on GPUs with AMD and Nvidia dies having different TDPs and reported power draw ( say 125W with one board, the AMD one, 150W with the other, Nvidia's ), but the same total board power ( say 175W ) when you include the VRMs losses and all the other components that feed the VRMs. Nvidia includes more of the related/peripheral power draw in their TDP, AMD doesn't ( they act more like Intel with CPUs ). Both use the same on total board power.

In other words, the Intel CPU has similar idle power draw, but segregates some of this so you only see the "TDP" not the "total board power" when including all the other components and losses needed to feed the CPU. AMD doesn't segregate ( they act more like Nvidia for GPUs, including more of the related/peripheral power draw in their total ), making it look like the CPU uses more power than Intel while idle.

Ironically, they do the opposite with GPUs ( they report 125W, but total board power is 175W, when Nvidia reports 150W with the same 175W total board power ).

Different teams, different platforms, same total system power draw while idle.

TL&DR: Reported ( even measured at the EPS plugs ) power draw can lie ( some power can come from other motherboard rails and not be measurable directly nor be self-reported ), a kill-a-watt plugged to the wall that measures the whole system doesn't and doesn't miss anything either.

This comment was edited on Nov 6, 2024, 19:55.

Simon Says wrote on Nov 6, 2024, 16:12:
That old myth is dying hard I see.

Total system idle power consumption is the same VS an equivalent Intel system.

Has been for generations now.

Sources:

Source 1

Source 2

And you can lower it further with some easy undervolt tweaks to the Vsoc voltage ( my reported idle CPU consumption on 7800X3D is around 12-15W after the undervolt ).

The 35W number came from p.4 of the Tom's Hardware 9800X3D review:

Note that AMD's chips generally have a higher idle power draw. I've measured this on a few motherboards, so this might be applicable across the AM5 ecosystem. AMD's AM5 chips can draw up to ~35W of power during idle compared to 12W with Intel's Core Ultra, a significant disadvantage. This is certainly something AMD should look to address with future firmware updates, as there's little reason for a modern CPU architecture to idle at such high power levels.

Are you saying that's wrong?

I don't have $1000+ USD GPU to pair with top of the line CPU. I hope I can get a good deal for a Ryzen 7 5700X3D upgrade from a Ryzen 7 3700X at Black Friday. I still love my long lasting AM4 platform so much.

It kinda feels weird not going to Anandtech to read a CPU review.

While it looks very good as a product, I've just bought an AMD Ryzen 9 9950X for my new build. I noticed that from the 7950X and 7950X3D, the regular 7950X was faster at rendering, and at gaming in 4K, both were equivalent, so I decided the non-X3D processor was the better option for me (rendering and gaming in 4K). Now just waiting for the elusive GeForce RTX 5090 to release to finish the build!

I stopped using AMD when I quit being poor, but it's like Intel isn't even trying anymore. I have only upgraded my graphics card since my last build six years ago, but I need to upgrade my CPU, and it's starting to seem that AMD is the only choice.

Tom wrote on Nov 6, 2024, 13:48:
35W idle power consumption eh ... yeah, no thanks! What a waste. They'd better work on that.

phinn wrote on Nov 6, 2024, 13:24:
So the best gaming CPU now and still solid on productivity tests. Price is a bit outrageous to me but guess you get what you pay for it. The only con I see is the 20W higher idle power consumption compared to Intel.

That old myth is dying hard I see.

Total system idle power consumption is the same VS an equivalent Intel system.

Has been for generations now.

Sources:

Source 1

Source 2

And you can lower it further with some easy undervolt tweaks to the Vsoc voltage ( my reported idle CPU consumption on 7800X3D is around 12-15W after the undervolt ).

buying this tomorrow 6am on newegg hope they dont sell out fast!

I have a 5800x3d, and while the 9800x3d has a decent chunk of performance over it, it’s no insane leap. Think I’ll be able to sit out am5 completely.

nevermind