Tariffs are just taxes in a different package that a politician can distance themselves with because average people don't understand economy.

If anyone out there truly believe that tariffs are going to ease prices to the consumer, then it is not a surprise that they don't know the difference between runaway inflation and price gouging.

Again, I've got a vested interest in this election cycle because of being recently diagnosed with stage 4 cancer and the very possible loss of everything up to and including my life because people want to 'stick it to the libs'.

VaranDragon wrote on Nov 6, 2024, 08:39:
I suspect that one of the main reasons why Elon Musk supported Trump's bid for the presidency (despite Trump being vehemently anti e-vehicles) is because of his promise to de-escalate with Russia, lowering the chance for nuclear war and the end of humanity. Musk is a crazy bastard, but he is also a pragmatist. You can't make it to Mars if there is no one left alive on Earth.

Yeah, that's giving Musk more credit than he deserves as best as I can tell. I feel it is far more likely he saw the writing on the wall of who would win and snuggled up accordingly with plans of getting changes in regulations which will benefit his companies and him.

ZeroPike1 wrote on Nov 6, 2024, 08:47:

Mashiki Amiketo wrote on Nov 6, 2024, 08:28:

ZeroPike1 wrote on Nov 6, 2024, 06:09:
Hope you all are ready to get project 2025‘d. This is just the beginning.

Happy I got lucky and got out of there. Even if dipshit pulls out of nato the EU can probably hold its own against a now shell of its former self Russia.

And enjoy the rising cost of living when those tariffs kick in. You asked for this.

I'm surprised that people still repeat the first one as, that was made by people who hate Trump.

I'm surprised that you haven't been paying attention to that issue and it was making everyone pay their fair share. Something that Trudeau is likely going to get Canada kicked out of NATO over.

I'm amazed that you don't understand that you can't have a strong middle class without blue collar jobs, and those jobs will come directly from those tariffs. The second benefit is it will kick China while it's screaming downhill and entering a massive deflationary crash worse than Japan in the 1980s.

I’m amazed anyone is dumb enough to believe tariffs alone will bring back jobs to the shit hole places in the US. There needs to be a comprehensive plan in place. You know by learned economists and people with actual skilled knowledge in job creation, not „capt‘ dur-tariffs“

Ohh well not my problem enjoy your melting economy. I’ll be fine.

It's people that have never worked in manufacturing and don't understand how long it will take.

We don't have the infrastructure, as in factories, that cost billions to build.
We don't have the infrastructure, as in employees, that know how to do this. Sure, entry level is entry level, but we don't have the actual management skills because we've had several generations of employment where these jobs didn't exist so no one learned how to do them right in order to manage them correctly.
We don't have the infrastructure, as in other factories. When I was in China, the biggest bragging right factory owners had was simply total scale. As in, if a machine broke, or a wrong part was delivered, or God knows what happens, you're surrounded by so many other factories that someone can walk down the street and find another factory with capacity and capability to start manufacturing that part almost immediately, whereas in other nations it could cause a set back of days to weeks.

It will take a very long time to fix this. In the meantime, we'd be more like Brazil in the 2010s, who has very high tariffs on anything not made domestically. A decade of PlayStations costing 3x what they do in the US really caused them to relax much of that. No one was ever going to produce a game console domestically. Just like Nvidia isn't going to move significant manufacturing to the US. Why raise costs in every other nation?

Mashiki Amiketo wrote on Nov 6, 2024, 08:28:

ZeroPike1 wrote on Nov 6, 2024, 06:09:
Hope you all are ready to get project 2025‘d. This is just the beginning.

Happy I got lucky and got out of there. Even if dipshit pulls out of nato the EU can probably hold its own against a now shell of its former self Russia.

And enjoy the rising cost of living when those tariffs kick in. You asked for this.

I'm surprised that people still repeat the first one as, that was made by people who hate Trump.

I'm surprised that you haven't been paying attention to that issue and it was making everyone pay their fair share. Something that Trudeau is likely going to get Canada kicked out of NATO over.

I'm amazed that you don't understand that you can't have a strong middle class without blue collar jobs, and those jobs will come directly from those tariffs. The second benefit is it will kick China while it's screaming downhill and entering a massive deflationary crash worse than Japan in the 1980s.

I’m amazed anyone is dumb enough to believe tariffs alone will bring back jobs to the shit hole places in the US. There needs to be a comprehensive plan in place. You know by learned economists and people with actual skilled knowledge in job creation, not „capt‘ dur-tariffs“

Ohh well not my problem enjoy your melting economy. I’ll be fine.

...If they died tomorrow, few or none would care...

Guilty. You're lucky that I don't take offense with some of the shit you say though.

Mr. Tact wrote on Nov 6, 2024, 08:21:
To be clear, I think the chance we will be extinct is close to zero. However, I'm guessing there will plenty of extinction for some -- near the top of the list will be Ukraine.

Close to zero is not zero. People like to joke about these things. Usually the same people who advocate NATO entering into a direct military conflict with Russia. I suspect that one of the main reasons why Elon Musk supported Trump's bid for the presidency (despite Trump being vehemently anti e-vehicles) is because of his promise to de-escalate with Russia, lowering the chance for nuclear war and the end of humanity. Musk is a crazy bastard, but he is also a pragmatist. You can't make it to Mars if there is no one left alive on Earth.

Mr. Tact wrote on Nov 6, 2024, 08:10:
I know you are right, and I'll likely force myself to keep up at a minimal level -- but I am keenly aware of the idea that "ignorance is bliss". Dangerous perhaps, but while I haven't found Prez's level of disengagement, I can see the path to it.

I haven't slept much so forgive any incoherence on my part.

As I was sitting on my front porch this morning, sipping tea and watching dawn creep over the horizon, I thought of how someone could be that disconnected. Those who have no one that rely upon them, no one for whom they have taken personal responsibility for can afford to disconnect and bury their heads in the sand. If they died tomorrow, few or none would care. But if a person is in the position where others rely upon them, they can't afford to do so. No matter if they're tired, jaded, or worn thin. One must keep abreast of current developments so plans can be made.

Mashiki Amiketo wrote on Nov 6, 2024, 08:28:

ZeroPike1 wrote on Nov 6, 2024, 06:09:
Hope you all are ready to get project 2025‘d. This is just the beginning.

Happy I got lucky and got out of there. Even if dipshit pulls out of nato the EU can probably hold its own against a now shell of its former self Russia.

And enjoy the rising cost of living when those tariffs kick in. You asked for this.

I'm surprised that people still repeat the first one as, that was made by people who hate Trump.

I'm surprised that you haven't been paying attention to that issue and it was making everyone pay their fair share. Something that Trudeau is likely going to get Canada kicked out of NATO over.

I'm amazed that you don't understand that you can't have a strong middle class without blue collar jobs, and those jobs will come directly from those tariffs. The second benefit is it will kick China while it's screaming downhill and entering a massive deflationary crash worse than Japan in the 1980s.

Which people that hate Trump, specifically? Ones that wrote books that have a JD Vance foreword? If Trump is so against it, why is he using many of the same talking points in his speeches, particularly when off the cuff?

And what is he planning to do to help the blue collar jobs? Again, be specific. What is he going to do and what is the expected impact?

ZeroPike1 wrote on Nov 6, 2024, 06:09:
Hope you all are ready to get project 2025‘d. This is just the beginning.

Happy I got lucky and got out of there. Even if dipshit pulls out of nato the EU can probably hold its own against a now shell of its former self Russia.

And enjoy the rising cost of living when those tariffs kick in. You asked for this.

I'm surprised that people still repeat the first one as, that was made by people who hate Trump.

I'm surprised that you haven't been paying attention to that issue and it was making everyone pay their fair share. Something that Trudeau is likely going to get Canada kicked out of NATO over.

I'm amazed that you don't understand that you can't have a strong middle class without blue collar jobs, and those jobs will come directly from those tariffs. The second benefit is it will kick China while it's screaming downhill and entering a massive deflationary crash worse than Japan in the 1980s.

To be clear, I think the chance we will be extinct is close to zero. However, I'm guessing there will plenty of extinction for some -- near the top of the list will be Ukraine.

Mr. Tact wrote on Nov 6, 2024, 08:11:

Prez wrote on Nov 6, 2024, 08:07:
But we're still here to observe it - extinction avoided!

I just hope we can say that in four years.

Well, when we make it to that point, as a reward I will write your name on the ballot. You can say that you officially received a registered vote for President!

Prez wrote on Nov 6, 2024, 08:07:
But we're still here to observe it - extinction avoided!

I just hope we can say that in four years.

Burrito of Peace wrote on Nov 6, 2024, 08:00:
I'll be keeping an ear to the ground. To be forewarned is to be forearmed. Whether it be aggravating or dismaying, I'd rather know than be ignorant and therefore blindsided.

I know you are right, and I'll likely force myself to keep up at a minimal level -- but I am keenly aware of the idea that "ignorance is bliss". Dangerous perhaps, but while I haven't found Prez's level of disengagement, I can see the path to it.

Mr. Tact wrote on Nov 6, 2024, 07:56:

Prez wrote on Nov 6, 2024, 07:49:
Hey look, the sun still came up today...

That was also true after each and every extinction level event which has occurred on this planet for the last 4 billion years. So, yeah...

But we're still here to observe it - extinction avoided!

Mr. Tact wrote on Nov 6, 2024, 07:52:
Unfortunately, not that unbelievable. A close friend who I know is smarter than me, more educated than me, and has experience running for a local office has been saying for a little over a year now that Trump was going to win. When it was Biden, I figured he was right, with Harris I thought there was an outside chance. Now I have to decide how much I want to ignore the news for the next four years. On the one hand I feel like I should know what is going on, on the other I'm pretty sure there will be more bad than good and at this point in my life, I just don't need the aggravation.

I'll be keeping an ear to the ground. To be forewarned is to be forearmed. Whether it be aggravating or dismaying, I'd rather know than be ignorant and therefore blindsided.

VaranDragon wrote on Nov 6, 2024, 06:59:
As someone who is definitely on the outside looking in. Good luck to you in the States. With that said, I don't really think much will change. The powers that be will not let the trajectory change too much from what it's been on for the last couple of decades (at least). Trump is a symptom of a much deeper root problem. I feel bad for the people who believe that he is part of a solution, I believe (although I sincerely hope that I'm wrong) that Trump has pretty much hoodwinked his voter base and will simply increase the divide that exists in the states. I also think that he is not going to be much worse than Harris, the dem politics of keeping the status-quo will not be disrupted too much. It's all a game show, and the game was rigged from the beginning.

For all the talk of "the swamp," we just elected an 80 year old that seemed tired and exhausted on the campaign trail, was uninterested in government when actually in office 8 years ago, and who picked a VP that is a venture capitalist that owes his career to Peter Thiel.

Who promised to put one of Thiels best friends in weird positions of power, and has promised to get rid of peaky things like regulatory oversight and the department of education.

What's weird to me is that this is rightfully a repudiation of the idea that the stock market reflects the economy for most Americans, but also the man most likely to focus on the stock market as a primary kpi, because he'll be golfing while Vance and friends figure out what makes them wealthiest.

Prez wrote on Nov 6, 2024, 07:49:
Hey look, the sun still came up today...

That was also true after each and every extinction level event which has occurred on this planet for the last 4 billion years. So, yeah...

Burrito of Peace wrote on Nov 6, 2024, 07:40:
Un-fucking-believable.

Unfortunately, not that unbelievable. A close friend who I know is smarter than me, more educated than me, and has experience running for a local office has been saying for a little over a year now that Trump was going to win. When it was Biden, I figured he was right, with Harris I thought there was an outside chance. Now I have to decide how much I want to ignore the news for the next four years. On the one hand I feel like I should know what is going on, on the other I'm pretty sure there will be more bad than good and at this point in my life, I just don't need the aggravation.

Hey look, the sun still came up today...

Un-fucking-believable.

Well, time to finish the homestead at a record pace. Some people I know are going to need a safe haven.