Prez wrote on Nov 6, 2024, 10:38:

Burrito of Peace wrote on Nov 6, 2024, 09:33:

Prez wrote on Nov 6, 2024, 08:42:

...If they died tomorrow, few or none would care...

Guilty. You're lucky that I don't take offense with some of the shit you say though.

What's there to take offense at? It's an objective fact. If I had no responsibilities, no one was invested in me, and I died tomorrow there would be no one to care. Ergo, I could live in a completely disconnected reality and it would impact no one but myself.

I will be understanding of the context of the pain you have suffered, the isolation you have forced upon yourself, and the fear and anger that you have. But YOU are the reason I don't care. For all your talk about your concern for the 'little guy' you have an astounding lack of compassion for anyone for any reason. Again, I understand. But it is there. You talk about being angry that a young girl died in Texas because she was not treated like she should have been. Never mind the fact that this was a blatant case of malpractice, and never mind the fact that these "doctors" are money whores and only worried about themselves and their careers instead of saving lives. You probably read that she is a Christian. So is her mother. I have heard MANY here pontificate about how conservative lives are worth less. How rich peoples' lives are worth less. How Christian lives are worth less. We shouldn't care when they suffer. Hell, we should be happy. Hell, I would think that you would be thrilled that now there are two less Christians in the world. 2 less potential votes for people who you don't like. You should be thrilled.

All of you have lost the fucking plot. For all of your lip service to compassion, you only have some when it suits you. And you have none when it doesn't. You want to talk objective facts? There's some that you can put in your pipe and smoke. People have lost their humanity. It's disgusting. But I am the crazy one. Fuck your election and fuck voting.

I, personally, haven't heard a single person say that a Christian or a rich person is worth less. To mock them for being hypocrites? Sure. But I haven't heard anyone say their lives are worth less. I certainly haven't heard it at a political event.

But you're also somewhat entering the paradox of toleration here. Not everything should be tolerated. Yes, you can empathize with people that see things differently, but some things do not deserve toleration. What Texas has done to abortion and miscarriage isn't something we should be tolerating. Claiming that immigrants will eat your cats shouldn't be something that we are tolerating. Claiming teachers will turn your kids trans and perform operations on them without you knowing, also something Trump himself has said, isn't something we should be tolerating. Elon Musk using his billions to buy a social media site, take control of the algorithm, turn it into a massive disinformation system, use that leverage to jockey for a cabinet position that can make him even more billions shouldn't be something that we tolerate.

This got ugly in ways I didn't expect. I hope Prez and BoP don't continue down this path against each other as I consider you two both positive pillars of this community.

Votes are still coming in but voter turn out appears to be way down (like 15 million less voters). Trump got about the same amount of votes, maybe even a bit less. This tells me people just gave up again. I know it's popular to doom and gloom but I think the worst damage Trump could do has already been done in the form of 3 Supreme Court Justices. This is what actually affects the lives of most Americans.

You sure troll a lot for a person who claims they don't care.

Burrito of Peace wrote on Nov 6, 2024, 09:33:

Prez wrote on Nov 6, 2024, 08:42:

...If they died tomorrow, few or none would care...

Guilty. You're lucky that I don't take offense with some of the shit you say though.

What's there to take offense at? It's an objective fact. If I had no responsibilities, no one was invested in me, and I died tomorrow there would be no one to care. Ergo, I could live in a completely disconnected reality and it would impact no one but myself.

I will be understanding of the context of the pain you have suffered, the isolation you have forced upon yourself, and the fear and anger that you have. But YOU are the reason I don't care. For all your talk about your concern for the 'little guy' you have an astounding lack of compassion for anyone for any reason. Again, I understand. But it is there. You talk about being angry that a young girl died in Texas because she was not treated like she should have been. Never mind the fact that this was a blatant case of malpractice, and never mind the fact that these "doctors" are money whores and only worried about themselves and their careers instead of saving lives. You probably read that she is a Christian. So is her mother. I have heard MANY here pontificate about how conservative lives are worth less. How rich peoples' lives are worth less. How Christian lives are worth less. We shouldn't care when they suffer. Hell, we should be happy. Hell, I would think that you would be thrilled that now there are two less Christians in the world. 2 less potential votes for people who you don't like. You should be thrilled.

All of you have lost the fucking plot. For all of your lip service to compassion, you only have some when it suits you. And you have none when it doesn't. You want to talk objective facts? There's some that you can put in your pipe and smoke. People have lost their humanity. It's disgusting. But I am the crazy one. Fuck your election and fuck voting.

My deepest condolences to US citizens, if P25 is enacted in full, your future looks the grimmest it has been since the 1930s great depression.

In a few years, the country will most likely be unrecognizable from what it is right now and not in a good way.

As a Canadian, I hope we won't get splashed too much with the massive amount of gagging stinky shit hitting the fan down south and spraying everywhere.

Very dark and hard times are ahead. A lot of people will suffer and die as a consequence, both at home and abroad ( go go gadget Palestine genocide for starters )... ...while a small pocket of very wealthy people will make out like bandits. Brutally hard lessons will be learned too.

But hey, look at the bright side, the autocrat in chief promised that in 4 years you won't have to vote anymore... ...oops, nvm.

Seriously tho, now's the time to be compassionate, to help your fellow citizens any way you can in the shit storm ahead. And to remember to never let that happen again like the Germans learned the hard way almost a century ago now.

Good luck fellow humans. My heart and bad humor goes out to you.

Riahderymnmaddog wrote on Nov 6, 2024, 09:52:
Look's like we just went in a circle guys and gals.

Given two shit choices, we again picked the shit. Some things never change.

Yeah, but I'd rather step in shit than eat shit.

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Look's like we just went in a circle guys and gals.

Given two shit choices, we again picked the shit. Some things never change.

WannaLogAlready wrote on Nov 6, 2024, 09:43:
And few ostriches here insisting there will is no difference between one result or other. Really.

I feel you. And you are not wrong, but as far as big business is concerned, I do indeed believe that it will be for the most part business as usual. The corporatocracy will continue to thrive. The changes in foreign policy will be superficial. The rich getting richer, the poor getting poorer. Ukraine will suffer. Palestine will suffer. Europe will still be shafted from both sides, and might slide into disrepair at best, and complete dissolution at worst.

WannaLogAlready wrote on Nov 6, 2024, 09:43:
A few ostriches here insisting there is no difference between one result or the other. Really.

No one who believes there is no difference will be swayed by anything you can say.

VaranDragon wrote on Nov 6, 2024, 09:35:
Well now I think you are actually giving him more credit than he deserves. How the hell did he exactly see the "writing on the wall"? Every single media outlet I followed right up to the day itself predicted a very, very close election. One decided by a handful of votes. Basically a coin toss. In the end as far as elections go it was pretty close but nowhere near as close as polls predicted it was going to be. Which would mean that Musk was indeed much smarter than everyone else. Which I don't believe for a second.

Well, there were plenty of people who were convinced Trump would win, including liberals who were disgusted by the prospect. Like the friend I mentioned early in this topic. I'm not giving Musk credit for being a genius fortune teller, just that he made a similar assumption. His "I'm always right" attitude would have allowed him to act on that assumption.

A few ostriches here insisting there is no difference between one result or the other. Really.

As if no increasing mortality of mothers and babies in states with abortion prohibitions, because specialists are migrating, or don't dare to do life saving practices.

Over time, maternity wards will mostly disappear in those states, happened and ongoing now in many hospitals, no willing professionals, read about it.

So the rights and lives of women in your family makes less difference, even for white women themselves than to have to vote for a POC woman, god forbid the affront.

Goodbye to what ACA could get to be for lower costs health care, corporations buying houses for rent to the masses, more fearful (honest?) media, you name it.
No care for science, the planet nor the increasing suffering this will produce.

4 years of stupidity and chaos, more and younger justices elected to SCOTUS to restrict anticonceptives or no fault divorce, or eliminate consequences for the idiot god-emperor.

Hand the world to Putin, Orban, etc.

Some said learn russian.
No, my friends, learn mandarin:
The big winner here is China, they have the structure and intelligence to grab the lost reins.
No such a bad thing for the world economy, someone still with a brain and long patient planning, even if lacking ethos.

Lot's of people's bubble bursted this morning. Oh well!

Mr. Tact wrote on Nov 6, 2024, 08:58:

VaranDragon wrote on Nov 6, 2024, 08:39:
I suspect that one of the main reasons why Elon Musk supported Trump's bid for the presidency (despite Trump being vehemently anti e-vehicles) is because of his promise to de-escalate with Russia, lowering the chance for nuclear war and the end of humanity. Musk is a crazy bastard, but he is also a pragmatist. You can't make it to Mars if there is no one left alive on Earth.

Yeah, that's giving Musk more credit than he deserves as best as I can tell. I feel it is far more likely he saw the writing on the wall of who would win and snuggled up accordingly with plans of getting changes in regulations which will benefit his companies and him.

Well now I think you are actually giving him more credit than he deserves. How the hell did he exactly see the "writing on the wall"? Every single media outlet I followed right up to the day itself predicted a very, very close election. One decided by a handful of votes. Basically a coin toss. In the end as far as elections go it was pretty close but nowhere near as close as polls predicted it was going to be. Which would mean that Musk was indeed much smarter than everyone else. Which I don't believe for a second.

Prez wrote on Nov 6, 2024, 08:42:

...If they died tomorrow, few or none would care...

Guilty. You're lucky that I don't take offense with some of the shit you say though.

What's there to take offense at? It's an objective fact. If I had no responsibilities, no one was invested in me, and I died tomorrow there would be no one to care. Ergo, I could live in a completely disconnected reality and it would impact no one but myself.

Mr. Tact wrote on Nov 6, 2024, 09:06:

DarkCntry wrote on Nov 6, 2024, 09:00:
Again, I've got a vested interest in this election cycle because of being recently diagnosed with stage 4 cancer and the very possible loss of everything up to and including my life because people want to 'stick it to the libs'.

Sorry to hear about your diagnosis -- good luck and best wishes on your battle. I'm assuming you feel your health care options were/are limited because of that?

Of course, pre-exsisting conditions with the ACA gutted or outright thrown out and replaced with „The best healthcare plan ever“ forever announcing two weeks from now. There are plenty of reasons to be scared.

Mr. Tact wrote on Nov 6, 2024, 09:06:

DarkCntry wrote on Nov 6, 2024, 09:00:
Again, I've got a vested interest in this election cycle because of being recently diagnosed with stage 4 cancer and the very possible loss of everything up to and including my life because people want to 'stick it to the libs'.

Sorry to hear about your diagnosis -- good luck and best wishes on your battle. I'm assuming you feel your health care options were/are limited because of that?

Not so much the actual Healthcare, but the ability to afford it and the insurance to offset it. I cannot work so I rely on my wife's insurance, and without the ACA, we would be either without insurance or paying roughly 60-80% more in premiums.

It takes one dose of my monthly medication to meet my deductible 3x over on a HDHP with Cigna... without the ACA, they would almost assuredly drop me because I cost them exponentially more than they get from me.

DarkCntry wrote on Nov 6, 2024, 09:00:
Again, I've got a vested interest in this election cycle because of being recently diagnosed with stage 4 cancer and the very possible loss of everything up to and including my life because people want to 'stick it to the libs'.

Sorry to hear about your diagnosis -- good luck and best wishes on your battle. I'm assuming you feel your health care options were/are limited because of that?

Beamer wrote on Nov 6, 2024, 08:57:

ZeroPike1 wrote on Nov 6, 2024, 08:47:

Mashiki Amiketo wrote on Nov 6, 2024, 08:28:

ZeroPike1 wrote on Nov 6, 2024, 06:09:
Hope you all are ready to get project 2025‘d. This is just the beginning.

Happy I got lucky and got out of there. Even if dipshit pulls out of nato the EU can probably hold its own against a now shell of its former self Russia.

And enjoy the rising cost of living when those tariffs kick in. You asked for this.

I'm surprised that people still repeat the first one as, that was made by people who hate Trump.

I'm surprised that you haven't been paying attention to that issue and it was making everyone pay their fair share. Something that Trudeau is likely going to get Canada kicked out of NATO over.

I'm amazed that you don't understand that you can't have a strong middle class without blue collar jobs, and those jobs will come directly from those tariffs. The second benefit is it will kick China while it's screaming downhill and entering a massive deflationary crash worse than Japan in the 1980s.

I’m amazed anyone is dumb enough to believe tariffs alone will bring back jobs to the shit hole places in the US. There needs to be a comprehensive plan in place. You know by learned economists and people with actual skilled knowledge in job creation, not „capt‘ dur-tariffs“

Ohh well not my problem enjoy your melting economy. I’ll be fine.

It's people that have never worked in manufacturing and don't understand how long it will take.

We don't have the infrastructure, as in factories, that cost billions to build.
We don't have the infrastructure, as in employees, that know how to do this. Sure, entry level is entry level, but we don't have the actual management skills because we've had several generations of employment where these jobs didn't exist so no one learned how to do them right in order to manage them correctly.
We don't have the infrastructure, as in other factories. When I was in China, the biggest bragging right factory owners had was simply total scale. As in, if a machine broke, or a wrong part was delivered, or God knows what happens, you're surrounded by so many other factories that someone can walk down the street and find another factory with capacity and capability to start manufacturing that part almost immediately, whereas in other nations it could cause a set back of days to weeks.

It will take a very long time to fix this. In the meantime, we'd be more like Brazil in the 2010s, who has very high tariffs on anything not made domestically. A decade of PlayStations costing 3x what they do in the US really caused them to relax much of that. No one was ever going to produce a game console domestically. Just like Nvidia isn't going to move significant manufacturing to the US. Why raise costs in every other nation?

You and I both know why, it’s because it’s complicated and requires more then a passing thought. Both of these things cause a Trump supporters brain to melt. They are simple folks who need only simple answers that require zero thought. What’s more zero thought then one of the now oldest presidents to ever take office promising them the world they want? Even when the world they want will never come even if he is a dictator for the rest of his short remaining life. I mean it’s not going to happen, they are being sold a bill of imaginary goods. And everyone is going to have to pay.

And actually, the best part is people saying China will pay for the tariffs.

No. No they won't. Sony passed the cost of the PlayStation on to Brazilian consumers. They did not eat it. Other nations did not eat it. Consumers did.

This is actually a boon for China. Assume that there's suddenly a 30% tariffs on new iPhones (there won't be - the exceptions will protect established companies and penalize new ones without lobbying power.) Such a tariff would cripple Apple. Oh well, China would say. Huawei and Honor may still be banned in the US, but this would give them a huge advantage overseas, after Apple is thrown into disarray in their strongest market. For China, this is a massively beneficial scenario. The highest margin goods they've struggled to compete with suddenly get huge boosts.

Frankly, if I'm China, I do eat some of this, but only for Chinese companies. Hey, Bissell, all of your vacuums now cost 30% more. But those cheap competitors on Amazon? China is reimbursing those brands the tariffs, so instead of being 20% cheaper they're now closer to 50% cheaper. A huge competitive advantage, and the ability for China to buy destruction of established western brands in the West. Because Bissell doesn't have the capital to build factories in the US