Beamer wrote on Nov 6, 2024, 17:24:

ByteCrawler wrote on Nov 6, 2024, 16:17:

No it was censorship and interference. One example is enough. Just like America has had enough of how far away the Dems have strayed. Your party literally hates America and self-loathes itself. You'll have me believe I should apologize for being born. I'd rather live differently.

Have strayed from what?
It wasn't really interference, it was them fearing that it was false information. It isn't the first time, and won't be the last time, that media sources try to avoid false information. After what happened with Clinton, they played it very safe. Too safe, I agree.

But, frankly, if Hunter Biden's laptop influenced your vote, you're [the royal "you"] a moron. An absolute moron. Hunter was never near the presidency, because Democrats have actual standards and believe in merit, and know that the children of presidents don't merit major positions in the White House (they also know reality TV stars don't, but that's a different story.) Hunter being a scumbag isn't really news, and if you voted due to it, well, you're a moron, right? I think we can all agree to that. It'd be like voting because Baron lives at home with his parents instead of in a dorm room.

Dude, the guy you're debating is sending out obvious racist, white-supremacist dog-whistles that the Democratic party is trying to make him apologize for being born (unsaid word: born white). Think about that for a moment and whether its even worth engaging with someone like that. My opinion, no one that far down the rabbit hole of nonsense will ever be persuaded by anything. Not logic, not reason, not facts. The only thing they want is to continue spewing their "I'm a victim!" propaganda without interruption or else they'll start crying "CENSORSHIP!"

ByteCrawler wrote on Nov 6, 2024, 16:17:

Beamer wrote on Nov 6, 2024, 16:13:

ByteCrawler wrote on Nov 6, 2024, 13:30:

Beamer wrote on Nov 6, 2024, 13:01:

ByteCrawler wrote on Nov 6, 2024, 11:06:

Beamer wrote on Nov 6, 2024, 10:54:
Elon Musk using his billions to buy a social media site, take control of the algorithm, turn it into a massive disinformation system, use that leverage to jockey for a cabinet position that can make him even more billions shouldn't be something that we tolerate.

But it's OK when its Zuckerberg and Meta, lol. Or how about Google giving all the assistance they can possibly give to Kamala and she still lost because they weren't jockeying for a better position when the anti-trust calls come.

Can you cite what this assistance was? Did Zuckerberg constantly post and amplify things beneficial to her? Did he share the stage with her repeatedly? Did he pay millions of dollars to people registering to vote for her?

I don't have any citations and it's really not necessary, I didn't forget about his involvement (whether him personally or the company he owns) with election interference and censorship in 2020. He didn't endorse her because either A) he didn't want to step in the 2020 muck again to affect their bottom line or B) she's just not a good candidate.

Zuckerberg Admits Facebook Wrong to Suppress Hunter Laptop Story, Scolds White House for Covid Censorship/

So, you have one example from 4 years ago, and it's something that was less interference and more trying to play something safe.
Great. That's fantastic. So many facts and so few feelings. Compares exactly with Musk tweeting hourly that Kamala will round up Republicans and that she'll personally ruin him and America.

No it was censorship and interference. One example is enough. Just like America has had enough of how far away the Dems have strayed. Your party literally hates America and self-loathes itself. You'll have me believe I should apologize for being born. I'd rather live differently.

Have strayed from what?
It wasn't really interference, it was them fearing that it was false information. It isn't the first time, and won't be the last time, that media sources try to avoid false information. After what happened with Clinton, they played it very safe. Too safe, I agree.

But, frankly, if Hunter Biden's laptop influenced your vote, you're [the royal "you"] a moron. An absolute moron. Hunter was never near the presidency, because Democrats have actual standards and believe in merit, and know that the children of presidents don't merit major positions in the White House (they also know reality TV stars don't, but that's a different story.) Hunter being a scumbag isn't really news, and if you voted due to it, well, you're a moron, right? I think we can all agree to that. It'd be like voting because Baron lives at home with his parents instead of in a dorm room.

Eldaron Imotholin wrote on Nov 6, 2024, 09:58:
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I heard you man... as a collective we all bear some responsibility for where we are today. I voted, with my middle fingers. Did it help? I doubt it, but; did it even matter in the first place? I doubt it.

Beamer wrote on Nov 6, 2024, 16:13:

ByteCrawler wrote on Nov 6, 2024, 13:30:

Beamer wrote on Nov 6, 2024, 13:01:

ByteCrawler wrote on Nov 6, 2024, 11:06:

Beamer wrote on Nov 6, 2024, 10:54:
Elon Musk using his billions to buy a social media site, take control of the algorithm, turn it into a massive disinformation system, use that leverage to jockey for a cabinet position that can make him even more billions shouldn't be something that we tolerate.

But it's OK when its Zuckerberg and Meta, lol. Or how about Google giving all the assistance they can possibly give to Kamala and she still lost because they weren't jockeying for a better position when the anti-trust calls come.

Can you cite what this assistance was? Did Zuckerberg constantly post and amplify things beneficial to her? Did he share the stage with her repeatedly? Did he pay millions of dollars to people registering to vote for her?

I don't have any citations and it's really not necessary, I didn't forget about his involvement (whether him personally or the company he owns) with election interference and censorship in 2020. He didn't endorse her because either A) he didn't want to step in the 2020 muck again to affect their bottom line or B) she's just not a good candidate.

Zuckerberg Admits Facebook Wrong to Suppress Hunter Laptop Story, Scolds White House for Covid Censorship/

So, you have one example from 4 years ago, and it's something that was less interference and more trying to play something safe.
Great. That's fantastic. So many facts and so few feelings. Compares exactly with Musk tweeting hourly that Kamala will round up Republicans and that she'll personally ruin him and America.

No it was censorship and interference. One example is enough. Just like America has had enough of how far away the Dems have strayed. Your party literally hates America and self-loathes itself. You'll have me believe I should apologize for being born. I'd rather live differently.

ByteCrawler wrote on Nov 6, 2024, 13:30:

Beamer wrote on Nov 6, 2024, 13:01:

ByteCrawler wrote on Nov 6, 2024, 11:06:

Beamer wrote on Nov 6, 2024, 10:54:
Elon Musk using his billions to buy a social media site, take control of the algorithm, turn it into a massive disinformation system, use that leverage to jockey for a cabinet position that can make him even more billions shouldn't be something that we tolerate.

But it's OK when its Zuckerberg and Meta, lol. Or how about Google giving all the assistance they can possibly give to Kamala and she still lost because they weren't jockeying for a better position when the anti-trust calls come.

Can you cite what this assistance was? Did Zuckerberg constantly post and amplify things beneficial to her? Did he share the stage with her repeatedly? Did he pay millions of dollars to people registering to vote for her?

I don't have any citations and it's really not necessary, I didn't forget about his involvement (whether him personally or the company he owns) with election interference and censorship in 2020. He didn't endorse her because either A) he didn't want to step in the 2020 muck again to affect their bottom line or B) she's just not a good candidate.

Zuckerberg Admits Facebook Wrong to Suppress Hunter Laptop Story, Scolds White House for Covid Censorship/

So, you have one example from 4 years ago, and it's something that was less interference and more trying to play something safe.
Great. That's fantastic. So many facts and so few feelings. Compares exactly with Musk tweeting hourly that Kamala will round up Republicans and that she'll personally ruin him and America.

Beamer wrote on Nov 6, 2024, 13:01:

ByteCrawler wrote on Nov 6, 2024, 11:06:

Beamer wrote on Nov 6, 2024, 10:54:
Elon Musk using his billions to buy a social media site, take control of the algorithm, turn it into a massive disinformation system, use that leverage to jockey for a cabinet position that can make him even more billions shouldn't be something that we tolerate.

But it's OK when its Zuckerberg and Meta, lol. Or how about Google giving all the assistance they can possibly give to Kamala and she still lost because they weren't jockeying for a better position when the anti-trust calls come.

Can you cite what this assistance was? Did Zuckerberg constantly post and amplify things beneficial to her? Did he share the stage with her repeatedly? Did he pay millions of dollars to people registering to vote for her?

I don't have any citations and it's really not necessary, I didn't forget about his involvement (whether him personally or the company he owns) with election interference and censorship in 2020. He didn't endorse her because either A) he didn't want to step in the 2020 muck again to affect their bottom line or B) she's just not a good candidate.

Zuckerberg Admits Facebook Wrong to Suppress Hunter Laptop Story, Scolds White House for Covid Censorship/

Prez wrote on Nov 6, 2024, 11:39:

Mr. Tact wrote on Nov 6, 2024, 11:03:

Prez wrote on Nov 6, 2024, 10:38:
Never mind the fact that this was a blatant case of malpractice, and never mind the fact that these "doctors" are money whores and only worried about themselves and their careers instead of saving lives.

What the hell are you ranting about? From what I gather you wanted the doctors to act without regard for the legal ramifications they might face? The reason the doctors didn't act wasn't because they wanted money or feared lawsuits, they feared being sent to jail for doing what they were trained to do.

Call me crazy, but it wasn't that long ago that doctors became doctors because they wanted to help people. But you're going to actually tell me that the doctors should be forgiven for listening to a young girl screaming in pain and doing nothing because they were afraid that may get into trouble. If you can't see how fucked that is, I only have more proof that all anyone cares about is money and politics. I'm done. Talk to me about videogames, or don't fucking talk to me.

They weren't afraid of getting in trouble. They were afraid of losing their careers.

The federal government has a law requiring doctors to give life saving aid in emergency rooms. Texas has very clearly stated that this does not supercede their abortion laws. A doctor rendering aid here would be committing a felony. They'd be fired. They'd never get insured again. And they'd have their license revoked. For someone they may not be able to save, and if they couldn't, they'd almost definitely have civil charges on top of the criminal.

Texas has created a situation where hospitals think they'll be sued, and doctors think they'll be charged felonies and sent to prison. That's not a doctor issue. That's a lawmaker issue.

ByteCrawler wrote on Nov 6, 2024, 11:06:

Beamer wrote on Nov 6, 2024, 10:54:
Elon Musk using his billions to buy a social media site, take control of the algorithm, turn it into a massive disinformation system, use that leverage to jockey for a cabinet position that can make him even more billions shouldn't be something that we tolerate.

But it's OK when its Zuckerberg and Meta, lol. Or how about Google giving all the assistance they can possibly give to Kamala and she still lost because they weren't jockeying for a better position when the anti-trust calls come.

Can you cite what this assistance was? Did Zuckerberg constantly post and amplify things beneficial to her? Did he share the stage with her repeatedly? Did he pay millions of dollars to people registering to vote for her?

RedEye9, glad to see you back.
Hope we can all return to normal with some time to re-center.

Beautiful people here -you too Prez, we care for you !-.

(Yeah, though I definitely will get away from USA's news all I can for the next 4 years or maybe forever , bad for my overall health).

Burrito of Peace wrote on Nov 6, 2024, 12:22:

Xeth Nyrrow wrote on Nov 6, 2024, 10:52:
This got ugly in ways I didn't expect. I hope Prez and BoP don't continue down this path against each other as I consider you two both positive pillars of this community.

No need to worry about me. I am debating Prez. I am not angry in the slightest and I'm not taking any of this remotely personally.

Good to hear though I am more concerned at the behavior in this thread in general. It's gotten a bit toxic even if no one feels personally offended. I'm not trying to play moderator, just expressing my concerns.

Xeth Nyrrow wrote on Nov 6, 2024, 10:52:
This got ugly in ways I didn't expect. I hope Prez and BoP don't continue down this path against each other as I consider you two both positive pillars of this community.

No need to worry about me. I am debating Prez. I am not angry in the slightest and I'm not taking any of this remotely personally.

Prez wrote on Nov 6, 2024, 10:38:

Burrito of Peace wrote on Nov 6, 2024, 09:33:

Prez wrote on Nov 6, 2024, 08:42:

...If they died tomorrow, few or none would care...

Guilty. You're lucky that I don't take offense with some of the shit you say though.

What's there to take offense at? It's an objective fact. If I had no responsibilities, no one was invested in me, and I died tomorrow there would be no one to care. Ergo, I could live in a completely disconnected reality and it would impact no one but myself.

I will be understanding of the context of the pain you have suffered, the isolation you have forced upon yourself, and the fear and anger that you have. But YOU are the reason I don't care. For all your talk about your concern for the 'little guy' you have an astounding lack of compassion for anyone for any reason. Again, I understand. But it is there. You talk about being angry that a young girl died in Texas because she was not treated like she should have been. Never mind the fact that this was a blatant case of malpractice, and never mind the fact that these "doctors" are money whores and only worried about themselves and their careers instead of saving lives. You probably read that she is a Christian. So is her mother. I have heard MANY here pontificate about how conservative lives are worth less. How rich peoples' lives are worth less. How Christian lives are worth less. We shouldn't care when they suffer. Hell, we should be happy. Hell, I would think that you would be thrilled that now there are two less Christians in the world. 2 less potential votes for people who you don't like. You should be thrilled.

All of you have lost the fucking plot. For all of your lip service to compassion, you only have some when it suits you. And you have none when it doesn't. You want to talk objective facts? There's some that you can put in your pipe and smoke. People have lost their humanity. It's disgusting. But I am the crazy one. Fuck your election and fuck voting.

All of which has...what to do with burying one's head in the sand and ignoring the world around them?

I can take you going full blast on me but that's slightly unhinged and doesn't in any way address what I said.

Though I find it more than slightly amusing that you accuse me of being angry while throwing your own anger out there so blatantly. Moreover, I never said I was angry about her death, I used it as an example of why voting matters.

You go on to accuse me of a lack of compassion and...then go on to show none yourself. You also showed an astounding lack of knowledge of why that young woman wasn't treated. It had literally nothing to do with those doctors being "money whores". It had everything to do with them going to jail for multiple decades and facing financial ruination for providing the medical care for which they had been educated and trained.

But, sure, let's say "fuck your election and fuck voting" when the outcome of both significantly and meaningfully impacts other people, including their very lives. That is surely the ultimate in expressing compassion.

Prez wrote on Nov 6, 2024, 11:39:

Mr. Tact wrote on Nov 6, 2024, 11:03:

Prez wrote on Nov 6, 2024, 10:38:
Never mind the fact that this was a blatant case of malpractice, and never mind the fact that these "doctors" are money whores and only worried about themselves and their careers instead of saving lives.

What the hell are you ranting about? From what I gather you wanted the doctors to act without regard for the legal ramifications they might face? The reason the doctors didn't act wasn't because they wanted money or feared lawsuits, they feared being sent to jail for doing what they were trained to do.

Call me crazy, but it wasn't that long ago that doctors became doctors because they wanted to help people. But you're going to actually tell me that the doctors should be forgiven for listening to a young girl screaming in pain and doing nothing because they were afraid that may get into trouble. If you can't see how fucked that is, I only have more proof that all anyone cares about is money and politics. I'm done. Talk to me about videogames, or don't fucking talk to me.

Those doctors help a lot of people. If they do something that will get them thrown in jail, they won't be helping anyone. You are angry at the wrong people. You should be angry at the politicians who passed the laws (and those who support them) which kept those doctors from acting. Your anger is justified, just aimed incorrectly.

RedEye9 wrote on Nov 6, 2024, 10:41:
You sure troll a lot for a person who claims they don't care.

I wouldn't expect that someone so utterly obsessed with politics to recognize that I care immensely. I care about people. I care about this country. But go ahead, keep sewing hatred and division. You dismissed my 10 years of military service where I sacrificed more than you could know and boiled it down to comparing me to a soulless assassin and a mass murderer, so I can't even be bothered at your calling me a troll at this point. If you can look at yourself in the mirror and not at least be a little bit ashamed of your behavior, I feel so sorry for you. All of you. Fucking disgusting. Everyone carry on with your pathetic whining - I'm going to go read the game news of the day.

Mr. Tact wrote on Nov 6, 2024, 11:03:

Prez wrote on Nov 6, 2024, 10:38:
Never mind the fact that this was a blatant case of malpractice, and never mind the fact that these "doctors" are money whores and only worried about themselves and their careers instead of saving lives.

What the hell are you ranting about? From what I gather you wanted the doctors to act without regard for the legal ramifications they might face? The reason the doctors didn't act wasn't because they wanted money or feared lawsuits, they feared being sent to jail for doing what they were trained to do.

Call me crazy, but it wasn't that long ago that doctors became doctors because they wanted to help people. But you're going to actually tell me that the doctors should be forgiven for listening to a young girl screaming in pain and doing nothing because they were afraid that may get into trouble. If you can't see how fucked that is, I only have more proof that all anyone cares about is money and politics. I'm done. Talk to me about videogames, or don't fucking talk to me.

DarkCntry wrote on Nov 6, 2024, 09:15:

Mr. Tact wrote on Nov 6, 2024, 09:06:

DarkCntry wrote on Nov 6, 2024, 09:00:
Again, I've got a vested interest in this election cycle because of being recently diagnosed with stage 4 cancer and the very possible loss of everything up to and including my life because people want to 'stick it to the libs'.

Sorry to hear about your diagnosis -- good luck and best wishes on your battle. I'm assuming you feel your health care options were/are limited because of that?

Not so much the actual Healthcare, but the ability to afford it and the insurance to offset it. I cannot work so I rely on my wife's insurance, and without the ACA, we would be either without insurance or paying roughly 60-80% more in premiums.

It takes one dose of my monthly medication to meet my deductible 3x over on a HDHP with Cigna... without the ACA, they would almost assuredly drop me because I cost them exponentially more than they get from me.

So sorry and sad to hear this. It makes me understand why Trump politics will indeed be a lethal danger to you. Damn. I hope you can recover. Also: FCK CNCR!

VaranDragon wrote on Nov 6, 2024, 08:39:
Close to zero is not zero. People like to joke about these things. Usually the same people who advocate NATO entering into a direct military conflict with Russia. I suspect that one of the main reasons why Elon Musk supported Trump's bid for the presidency (despite Trump being vehemently anti e-vehicles) is because of his promise to de-escalate with Russia, lowering the chance for nuclear war and the end of humanity. Musk is a crazy bastard, but he is also a pragmatist. You can't make it to Mars if there is no one left alive on Earth.

And by this, supporting Putin's idea and attempts of annexing other now independent former soviet states like Georgia, Poland, the Baltic states? Sounds like a great idea to me! Did you ever hear how the appeasement politics vs. Hitler ended? You absolutely should. And do not fall into Putin's weekly "...or I am gonna throw a nuclear temper tantrum" BS. Putin needs to be stopped and not encouraged. Discouraging democratic former Soviet states by giving up on Ukraine is also not an intelligent idea at all.
Then again, the new president will stop the war day 1. By simply offering Ukraine to Putin on a silver plate. A buddy supporting his buddy, right?

Beamer wrote on Nov 6, 2024, 10:54:
Elon Musk using his billions to buy a social media site, take control of the algorithm, turn it into a massive disinformation system, use that leverage to jockey for a cabinet position that can make him even more billions shouldn't be something that we tolerate.

But it's OK when its Zuckerberg and Meta, lol. Or how about Google giving all the assistance they can possibly give to Kamala and she still lost because they weren't jockeying for a better position when the anti-trust calls come.

Prez wrote on Nov 6, 2024, 10:38:
Never mind the fact that this was a blatant case of malpractice, and never mind the fact that these "doctors" are money whores and only worried about themselves and their careers instead of saving lives.

What the hell are you ranting about? From what I gather you wanted the doctors to act without regard for the legal ramifications they might face? The reason the doctors didn't act wasn't because they wanted money or feared lawsuits, they feared being sent to jail for doing what they were trained to do.

Actually, and anyone watching college football had the misfortune of seeing political ads from around the nation.

Conservative ads were almost all uniform. "Trans people are scary! Immigrants are scary! Crime is way up, even though every statistic says it is down! And that's because of trans people and immigrants! The country is awful and going to get worse!" Hell, even my local board of education is going all in, with the #1 thing the conservative candidates are saying is that the opposition supports trans kids. Imagine that, that you're running because the other people support trans kids.

This isn't serious politics. This isn't policy or a way forward. Importantly, none of this is backed by any actual information or statistic. It's all just made up fear mongering. And it worked!