Thank you Teddy. You nailed it.
In 1946 there were people in Germany and Poland who said "we didn't know".
Today no one can say they didn't know, you can only say you didn't care.
https://imgur.com/a/i0Kh3DL

Scallywag Sally wrote on Nov 8, 2024, 10:35:

Beamer wrote on Nov 8, 2024, 08:58:
It's interesting reading the reddit GenZ sub right now. There's a huge topic about how other generations are blaming GenZ, and conservative GenZ men are explaining themselves.

The explanations are almost exclusively "you guys were mean to me and called me an incel, so I had to vote Trump."
It makes sense, right? If people actually listened to Trump's speeches, more than half of what he did was talk about how mean everyone was to him. It was an airing of grievances that made Festivus look amateur. And that's what so many young conservative men are doing.

What's at least a little heartening is that there is another popular topic that explains to them that your social media algorithms serve you more of the content you interact with, so if you tend to click on a lot of content discussing either "all men are garbage" or "this idiot said all men are garbage," you get sucked into a culture war that's really not happening outside of your social media feed.

At the same time, the men in there saying that women were mean to them so now they're taking women's rights are kind of proving that those men are garbage as they try to claim they're not garbage.

You're following a discussion between GenZ's on reddit why exactly? It sounds like you're fixated on a narrow, bitter bubble of the internet, one you admit doesn't reflect the real world. So how does this isolated 'culture war' -- one that, by your own admission, is mostly social media noise -- account for the landslide? Either it’s a fringe echo chamber, or it’s an influential movement; it can’t be both. I highly doubt you truly believe there is an army of 'incels' that caused the landslide. It just seems contradictory to point out that it’s a ‘war’ happening in isolated feeds while also implying it somehow determined the outcome of the election. And if that's not what you're implying, I guess you're just using a fringe echo chamber to shit on Trump voters in general. Yay?

No one needs an 'echo chamber' to shit on Trump voters. They chose to support a rapist, a racist, a misogynist, a bigot, a criminal, and a conman among so many other vile things he's proven himself to be. They chose cruelty, hatred, selfishness and bigotry and far too many did so gleefully. At this point, why doesn't matter anymore. There is no reason that could possibly be an excuse for supporting someone like that. It reflects DIRECTLY on who those voters are as people. I don't care if they were worried about the economy. I don't care if they were worried about jobs or borders or your stocks or retirement savings. I care that they voluntarily chose to throw millions of people into danger. I care that they voluntarily chose to deny the rights of millions more. I care that because of them, more women are going to die in easily preventable ways. I care that because of them even more LGBT youth are going to commit suicide rather than face the millions that clearly want them not to exist. I care that because of them the USA is going to betray their allies and leave them to fend for themselves against enemies they can't hope to defeat without help. I care that because of them the nation is going to backslide in education, in science and in human health. I care that because of them, even more companies will be allowed to enrich themselves while destroying the environment around them. I care that they cared more about themselves and their petty grievances than about others and the very real danger those others now face.

I do not expect Trump voters to have any shame when they see the hurt they've caused so many others. If anything, I expect them to cheer it on when they see it. The shame will be left to the rest of us, being ashamed to be associated with such disgusting, despicable people even if only by virtue of where we were born.

Mr. Tact wrote on Nov 8, 2024, 08:38:

Linthat22 wrote on Nov 8, 2024, 06:51:
blah blah

Congrats! Tied the record, one post. Welcome to #2561.

you won’t miss much
He’s an election denier and asked Blue to close his previous account under the same name*, after promising to never post again if donnie lost (which he did) in 2020.

*donnie brought us so many firsts, like the first President to not attend his successor’s inauguration, and in a round about way the first to cause Blue’s News to have two user accounts with the same name.
The OG https://www.bluesnews.com/cgi-bin/board.pl?action=userinfo&user=56073
And today’s https://www.bluesnews.com/cgi-bin/board.pl?action=userinfo&user=60423

Mr. Tact wrote on Nov 8, 2024, 08:38:

Linthat22 wrote on Nov 8, 2024, 06:51:
blah blah

Congrats! Tied the record, one post. Welcome to #2561.

Now, now!

Beamer wrote on Nov 8, 2024, 08:58:
It's interesting reading the reddit GenZ sub right now. There's a huge topic about how other generations are blaming GenZ, and conservative GenZ men are explaining themselves.

The explanations are almost exclusively "you guys were mean to me and called me an incel, so I had to vote Trump."
It makes sense, right? If people actually listened to Trump's speeches, more than half of what he did was talk about how mean everyone was to him. It was an airing of grievances that made Festivus look amateur. And that's what so many young conservative men are doing.

What's at least a little heartening is that there is another popular topic that explains to them that your social media algorithms serve you more of the content you interact with, so if you tend to click on a lot of content discussing either "all men are garbage" or "this idiot said all men are garbage," you get sucked into a culture war that's really not happening outside of your social media feed.

At the same time, the men in there saying that women were mean to them so now they're taking women's rights are kind of proving that those men are garbage as they try to claim they're not garbage.

You're following a discussion between GenZ's on reddit why exactly? It sounds like you're fixated on a narrow, bitter bubble of the internet, one you admit doesn't reflect the real world. So how does this isolated 'culture war' -- one that, by your own admission, is mostly social media noise -- account for the landslide? Either it’s a fringe echo chamber, or it’s an influential movement; it can’t be both. I highly doubt you truly believe there is an army of 'incels' that caused the landslide. It just seems contradictory to point out that it’s a ‘war’ happening in isolated feeds while also implying it somehow determined the outcome of the election. And if that's not what you're implying, I guess you're just using a fringe echo chamber to shit on Trump voters in general. Yay?

It's interesting reading the reddit GenZ sub right now. There's a huge topic about how other generations are blaming GenZ, and conservative GenZ men are explaining themselves.

The explanations are almost exclusively "you guys were mean to me and called me an incel, so I had to vote Trump."
It makes sense, right? If people actually listened to Trump's speeches, more than half of what he did was talk about how mean everyone was to him. It was an airing of grievances that made Festivus look amateur. And that's what so many young conservative men are doing.

What's at least a little heartening is that there is another popular topic that explains to them that your social media algorithms serve you more of the content you interact with, so if you tend to click on a lot of content discussing either "all men are garbage" or "this idiot said all men are garbage," you get sucked into a culture war that's really not happening outside of your social media feed.

At the same time, the men in there saying that women were mean to them so now they're taking women's rights are kind of proving that those men are garbage as they try to claim they're not garbage.

Linthat22 wrote on Nov 8, 2024, 06:51:
blah blah

Congrats! Tied the record, one post. Welcome to #2561.

Riahderymnmaddog wrote on Nov 6, 2024, 17:03:

Eldaron Imotholin wrote on Nov 6, 2024, 09:58:
* REMOVED *

This comment was deleted on Nov 6, 2024, 10:42. Reason: Shitpost

I heard you man... as a collective we all bear some responsibility for where we are today. I voted, with my middle fingers. Did it help? I doubt it, but; did it even matter in the first place? I doubt it.

Cheers for replying, mate. You obviously read my perfectly fine albeit salty post. The "gfy" at the end was obviously for all of us and not you in particular.

That my post was removed is a reminder why I'm no longer posting in this fucking echo chamber. I had to come back for this though, just to see how people were losing control over the outcome.

Anyway, again: Bye!

What a gruesome 4 years under Basement Biden's installed regime. I held my end of the bargain though!

never mind
too much doom scrolling today. really got to me.

This comment was edited on Nov 7, 2024, 21:31.

RedEye9 wrote on Nov 7, 2024, 08:20:

trump has reneged his support of Ukraine

Please link some sources of mainstream media reporting that because Google shows nothing of the sort.

Zelensky says he had 'excellent phone conversation' with Trump after US election

Zelensky Says Congratulated Trump In 'Excellent' Call

But of course Zelensky must fawn and appease the cretin and his party no matter what humiliating snubs and disdains he will receive.

His country's future is dark indeed with the Putin lover in power.

trump has reneged his support of Ukraine

Please link some sources of mainstream media reporting that because Google shows nothing of the sort.

Zelensky says he had 'excellent phone conversation' with Trump after US election

Zelensky Says Congratulated Trump In 'Excellent' Call

WannaLogAlready wrote on Nov 7, 2024, 01:15:
One forgotten aspect here is the loss of credibility and confidence if not outright derision the USA will face now from staunch allies that Trump snubbed and betrayed before.

Mainstream media in Europe is already reporting that Trump and Zelensky have spoken on the phone, and that Trump has reneged his support of Ukraine. Unsure whether this is bullshit, or true, you never know with Trump. How do you believe someone who lies and flip-flops more than any other politician in history?

Let's see what happens after his inauguration, but as far as the US foreign policy is concerned (or as I like to dub it: We Sell Weapons) I don't predict any big changes. War is good for business.

As for his domestic policies, my condolences to all of you living in the USA. You guys are pretty much fucked.

One forgotten aspect here is the loss of credibility and confidence if not outright derision the USA will face now from staunch allies that Trump snubbed and betrayed before.

Chosing as president an obvious cretinous conman and criminal, a full mouthed democracy traitor since january 6th, no going back from that.

And Trump *will* make things worse yet in the global stage, he is what he is.
USA will lose its leadership and goodwill -what it had recovered and retained from the previous cringe worthy Trump interactions with other first world nations.

Money and military power is in the USA but beyond the leverage that brings, to all effects it will be again a shamefull diplomatic pariah to be appeased in form only, to China and other actors' benefit and relish.

The "1st democracy" of the world has been proved to be a failure. Its failed institutions and justice didn't condemn a flagrant traitor to its Constitution, but instead increased his power to old kings levels.
And a majority of its voters chose chaos and harm for their desired future.

This comment was edited on Nov 7, 2024, 01:31.

ByteCrawler wrote on Nov 6, 2024, 21:10:

Teddy wrote on Nov 6, 2024, 18:44:

Beamer wrote on Nov 6, 2024, 17:24:

ByteCrawler wrote on Nov 6, 2024, 16:17:

No it was censorship and interference. One example is enough. Just like America has had enough of how far away the Dems have strayed. Your party literally hates America and self-loathes itself. You'll have me believe I should apologize for being born. I'd rather live differently.

Have strayed from what?
It wasn't really interference, it was them fearing that it was false information. It isn't the first time, and won't be the last time, that media sources try to avoid false information. After what happened with Clinton, they played it very safe. Too safe, I agree.

But, frankly, if Hunter Biden's laptop influenced your vote, you're [the royal "you"] a moron. An absolute moron. Hunter was never near the presidency, because Democrats have actual standards and believe in merit, and know that the children of presidents don't merit major positions in the White House (they also know reality TV stars don't, but that's a different story.) Hunter being a scumbag isn't really news, and if you voted due to it, well, you're a moron, right? I think we can all agree to that. It'd be like voting because Baron lives at home with his parents instead of in a dorm room.

Dude, the guy you're debating is sending out obvious racist, white-supremacist dog-whistles that the Democratic party is trying to make him apologize for being born (unsaid word: born white). Think about that for a moment and whether its even worth engaging with someone like that. My opinion, no one that far down the rabbit hole of nonsense will ever be persuaded by anything. Not logic, not reason, not facts. The only thing they want is to continue spewing their "I'm a victim!" propaganda without interruption or else they'll start crying "CENSORSHIP!"

Just proved my point. Don’t know a thing about me but bodily call me a racist because you’re an expert a reading between the lines apparently. Classic democratic tactic, just call the opposition racist and hopes it sticks.

The victim complex is insane... they never called you anything, what they said is you're using a very specific dog whistle. Now, if you feel attacked for that, maybe some introspective reflection is called for.

Teddy wrote on Nov 6, 2024, 18:44:

Beamer wrote on Nov 6, 2024, 17:24:

ByteCrawler wrote on Nov 6, 2024, 16:17:

No it was censorship and interference. One example is enough. Just like America has had enough of how far away the Dems have strayed. Your party literally hates America and self-loathes itself. You'll have me believe I should apologize for being born. I'd rather live differently.

Have strayed from what?
It wasn't really interference, it was them fearing that it was false information. It isn't the first time, and won't be the last time, that media sources try to avoid false information. After what happened with Clinton, they played it very safe. Too safe, I agree.

But, frankly, if Hunter Biden's laptop influenced your vote, you're [the royal "you"] a moron. An absolute moron. Hunter was never near the presidency, because Democrats have actual standards and believe in merit, and know that the children of presidents don't merit major positions in the White House (they also know reality TV stars don't, but that's a different story.) Hunter being a scumbag isn't really news, and if you voted due to it, well, you're a moron, right? I think we can all agree to that. It'd be like voting because Baron lives at home with his parents instead of in a dorm room.

Dude, the guy you're debating is sending out obvious racist, white-supremacist dog-whistles that the Democratic party is trying to make him apologize for being born (unsaid word: born white). Think about that for a moment and whether its even worth engaging with someone like that. My opinion, no one that far down the rabbit hole of nonsense will ever be persuaded by anything. Not logic, not reason, not facts. The only thing they want is to continue spewing their "I'm a victim!" propaganda without interruption or else they'll start crying "CENSORSHIP!"

Just proved my point. Don’t know a thing about me but bodily call me a racist because you’re an expert a reading between the lines apparently. Classic democratic tactic, just call the opposition racist and hopes it sticks.

Beamer wrote on Nov 6, 2024, 19:10:

Mr. Tact wrote on Nov 6, 2024, 19:09:

jdreyer wrote on Nov 6, 2024, 18:47:
When I read that story a few days ago, my immediate thought was that the doctors and hospitals would be sued for failing to provide aid under that Federal law, or for malpractice (like when she was sent home for "strep throat.") I know tort law isn't your specialty, but what do you think the likelihood is of that?

As always, IANAL -- but I would think they'd have a good defense by showing Texas law said doing so would be a felony.

You're correct. Texas has been extremely, extremely specific and adamant that their law supercedes federal law. It's a damned-if-you-do situation.

Sure, but that doesn't mean a lawsuit is out of the question, and there's always an argument to be made using the Supremacy clause.

Mr. Tact wrote on Nov 6, 2024, 19:09:

jdreyer wrote on Nov 6, 2024, 18:47:
When I read that story a few days ago, my immediate thought was that the doctors and hospitals would be sued for failing to provide aid under that Federal law, or for malpractice (like when she was sent home for "strep throat.") I know tort law isn't your specialty, but what do you think the likelihood is of that?

As always, IANAL -- but I would think they'd have a good defense by showing Texas law said doing so would be a felony.

You're correct. Texas has been extremely, extremely specific and adamant that their law supercedes federal law. It's a damned-if-you-do situation.

jdreyer wrote on Nov 6, 2024, 18:47:
When I read that story a few days ago, my immediate thought was that the doctors and hospitals would be sued for failing to provide aid under that Federal law, or for malpractice (like when she was sent home for "strep throat.") I know tort law isn't your specialty, but what do you think the likelihood is of that?

As always, IANAL -- but I would think they'd have a good defense by showing Texas law said doing so would be a felony.

Beamer wrote on Nov 6, 2024, 13:05:

They weren't afraid of getting in trouble. They were afraid of losing their careers.

The federal government has a law requiring doctors to give life saving aid in emergency rooms. Texas has very clearly stated that this does not supercede their abortion laws. A doctor rendering aid here would be committing a felony. They'd be fired. They'd never get insured again. And they'd have their license revoked. For someone they may not be able to save, and if they couldn't, they'd almost definitely have civil charges on top of the criminal.

Texas has created a situation where hospitals think they'll be sued, and doctors think they'll be charged felonies and sent to prison. That's not a doctor issue. That's a lawmaker issue.

When I read that story a few days ago, my immediate thought was that the doctors and hospitals would be sued for failing to provide aid under that Federal law, or for malpractice (like when she was sent home for "strep throat.") I know tort law isn't your specialty, but what do you think the likelihood is of that?