Razumen wrote on Nov 5, 2024, 01:29:

Riahderymnmaddog wrote on Nov 5, 2024, 00:55:

Razumen wrote on Nov 4, 2024, 23:38:

Beamer wrote on Nov 4, 2024, 21:18:

Razumen wrote on Nov 4, 2024, 21:03:

Beamer wrote on Nov 3, 2024, 20:06:
If you're the type of guy that watches far right YouTube gamer videos that hate everything because you are the type of empty person with time to stew and hate yourself, you think this is a failure.

If you're a reasonable person looking to enjoy your hobby and not use it as an excuse to be miserable, you can see it's doing fine and that those YouTubers are just making things up to try to not seem like they were absolutely wrong

Pretty dishonest take, even Dragon Age fans are displeased with the game's bad writing and lack of choices, plus the way it completely changed old characters like Morrigan. Can't even be moderately unpleasant to anyone, because all the choices are whitewashed.

I mean sales-wise. And it's "mostly positive" on Steam.

This is a series that had 4 dungeon maps in its second release. The game also has trans people a decade ago.

It's probably a just ok game in a just ok series that is selling pretty decently but people want to fail because being angry is more fun than just buying a game you like.

Sales are irrelevant, shitty things sell well all the time, like Twilight. If you're a fan of the series, you're going to care more about the game's quality than how many people have low standards.

No one is angry that the game has trans people, just how it handles it. Which is with heavy handed, condescending cringe. Not to mention it's ridiculous to focus so much on something which wouldn't even be an issue in a world filled with magic. Not every real world problem needs to be shoved into every game, especially one's where they don't fit the world or narrative.

See, that's the thing, unless something drastically and suddenly changes,(Taash is in my party, her mother interduced her as a "She") without all the bitching, I would have never known how DAtV deals with trans people. I wouldn't even know that shit's an option [Spoiler Alert]

Also fuck Twilight and any man who watch's that shit.

Lol, guess you didn't have the family supper then yet. Or the "Pulling a Barve" cringefest.

I hope there is no family supper for me then.. no I have not experienced that yet.

Riahderymnmaddog wrote on Nov 5, 2024, 00:55:

Razumen wrote on Nov 4, 2024, 23:38:

Beamer wrote on Nov 4, 2024, 21:18:

Razumen wrote on Nov 4, 2024, 21:03:

Beamer wrote on Nov 3, 2024, 20:06:
If you're the type of guy that watches far right YouTube gamer videos that hate everything because you are the type of empty person with time to stew and hate yourself, you think this is a failure.

If you're a reasonable person looking to enjoy your hobby and not use it as an excuse to be miserable, you can see it's doing fine and that those YouTubers are just making things up to try to not seem like they were absolutely wrong

Pretty dishonest take, even Dragon Age fans are displeased with the game's bad writing and lack of choices, plus the way it completely changed old characters like Morrigan. Can't even be moderately unpleasant to anyone, because all the choices are whitewashed.

I mean sales-wise. And it's "mostly positive" on Steam.

This is a series that had 4 dungeon maps in its second release. The game also has trans people a decade ago.

It's probably a just ok game in a just ok series that is selling pretty decently but people want to fail because being angry is more fun than just buying a game you like.

Sales are irrelevant, shitty things sell well all the time, like Twilight. If you're a fan of the series, you're going to care more about the game's quality than how many people have low standards.

No one is angry that the game has trans people, just how it handles it. Which is with heavy handed, condescending cringe. Not to mention it's ridiculous to focus so much on something which wouldn't even be an issue in a world filled with magic. Not every real world problem needs to be shoved into every game, especially one's where they don't fit the world or narrative.

See, that's the thing, unless something drastically and suddenly changes,(Taash is in my party, her mother interduced her as a "She") without all the bitching, I would have never known how DAtV deals with trans people. I wouldn't even know that shit's an option [Spoiler Alert]

Also fuck Twilight and any man who watch's that shit.

Lol, guess you didn't have the family supper then yet. Or the "Pulling a Barve" cringefest.

Razumen wrote on Nov 4, 2024, 23:38:

Beamer wrote on Nov 4, 2024, 21:18:

Razumen wrote on Nov 4, 2024, 21:03:

Beamer wrote on Nov 3, 2024, 20:06:
If you're the type of guy that watches far right YouTube gamer videos that hate everything because you are the type of empty person with time to stew and hate yourself, you think this is a failure.

If you're a reasonable person looking to enjoy your hobby and not use it as an excuse to be miserable, you can see it's doing fine and that those YouTubers are just making things up to try to not seem like they were absolutely wrong

Pretty dishonest take, even Dragon Age fans are displeased with the game's bad writing and lack of choices, plus the way it completely changed old characters like Morrigan. Can't even be moderately unpleasant to anyone, because all the choices are whitewashed.

I mean sales-wise. And it's "mostly positive" on Steam.

This is a series that had 4 dungeon maps in its second release. The game also has trans people a decade ago.

It's probably a just ok game in a just ok series that is selling pretty decently but people want to fail because being angry is more fun than just buying a game you like.

Sales are irrelevant, shitty things sell well all the time, like Twilight. If you're a fan of the series, you're going to care more about the game's quality than how many people have low standards.

No one is angry that the game has trans people, just how it handles it. Which is with heavy handed, condescending cringe. Not to mention it's ridiculous to focus so much on something which wouldn't even be an issue in a world filled with magic. Not every real world problem needs to be shoved into every game, especially one's where they don't fit the world or narrative.

See, that's the thing, unless something drastically and suddenly changes,(Taash is in my party, her mother interduced her as a "She") without all the bitching, I would have never known how DAtV deals with trans people. I wouldn't even know that shit's an option [Spoiler Alert]

Also fuck Twilight and any man who watch's that shit.

Beamer wrote on Nov 4, 2024, 21:18:

Razumen wrote on Nov 4, 2024, 21:03:

Beamer wrote on Nov 3, 2024, 20:06:
If you're the type of guy that watches far right YouTube gamer videos that hate everything because you are the type of empty person with time to stew and hate yourself, you think this is a failure.

If you're a reasonable person looking to enjoy your hobby and not use it as an excuse to be miserable, you can see it's doing fine and that those YouTubers are just making things up to try to not seem like they were absolutely wrong

Pretty dishonest take, even Dragon Age fans are displeased with the game's bad writing and lack of choices, plus the way it completely changed old characters like Morrigan. Can't even be moderately unpleasant to anyone, because all the choices are whitewashed.

I mean sales-wise. And it's "mostly positive" on Steam.

This is a series that had 4 dungeon maps in its second release. The game also has trans people a decade ago.

It's probably a just ok game in a just ok series that is selling pretty decently but people want to fail because being angry is more fun than just buying a game you like.

Sales are irrelevant, shitty things sell well all the time, like Twilight. If you're a fan of the series, you're going to care more about the game's quality than how many people have low standards.

No one is angry that the game has trans people, just how it handles it. Which is with heavy handed, condescending cringe. Not to mention it's ridiculous to focus so much on something which wouldn't even be an issue in a world filled with magic. Not every real world problem needs to be shoved into every game, especially one's where they don't fit the world or narrative.

Razumen wrote on Nov 4, 2024, 21:03:
Can't even be moderately unpleasant to anyone, because all the choices are whitewashed.

This is why I have little hope ME5 is going to be any good. Yeah you couldn't exactly become Dark Lord of the Sith in the Mass Effect trilogy, you still had to the save the galaxy, but you could be a humongous dick to people if you wanted. And while I generally played a 'good guy' in my ME playthroughs, there were a couple people in the various games that always got a beat down. If they can't even allow that much freedom in their games then why bother even giving us an illusion of choice?

edit: deleted the wrong quote header the first time, oops

Razumen wrote on Nov 4, 2024, 21:03:

Beamer wrote on Nov 3, 2024, 20:06:
If you're the type of guy that watches far right YouTube gamer videos that hate everything because you are the type of empty person with time to stew and hate yourself, you think this is a failure.

If you're a reasonable person looking to enjoy your hobby and not use it as an excuse to be miserable, you can see it's doing fine and that those YouTubers are just making things up to try to not seem like they were absolutely wrong

Pretty dishonest take, even Dragon Age fans are displeased with the game's bad writing and lack of choices, plus the way it completely changed old characters like Morrigan. Can't even be moderately unpleasant to anyone, because all the choices are whitewashed.

I mean sales-wise. And it's "mostly positive" on Steam.

This is a series that had 4 dungeon maps in its second release. The game also has trans people a decade ago.

It's probably a just ok game in a just ok series that is selling pretty decently but people want to fail because being angry is more fun than just buying a game you like.

Beamer wrote on Nov 3, 2024, 20:06:
If you're the type of guy that watches far right YouTube gamer videos that hate everything because you are the type of empty person with time to stew and hate yourself, you think this is a failure.

If you're a reasonable person looking to enjoy your hobby and not use it as an excuse to be miserable, you can see it's doing fine and that those YouTubers are just making things up to try to not seem like they were absolutely wrong

Pretty dishonest take, even Dragon Age fans are displeased with the game's bad writing and lack of choices, plus the way it completely changed old characters like Morrigan. Can't even be moderately unpleasant to anyone, because all the choices are whitewashed.

It is worth noting that none of the reviews you posted links to scored the game less than a 75%. That's theoretically a good score. Eurogamer had some pretty damning criticisms and then awarded the game a 80% score, which shows that even back then review scores were pointless and meaningless. A lot of the criticisms within the reviews were valid, and others seemed weird to me. But in the one instance that I researched they played it on console. I always heard that console Dragon Age Origins was inferior to the PC version. I only played it on PC.

Beamer wrote on Nov 4, 2024, 13:42:
Which was the Dragon's Age that recycled the same 5 dungeon maps over and over and over and over?

2. It was 2. I hated that so much.

Beamer wrote on Nov 4, 2024, 13:42:
Which was the Dragon's Age that recycled the same 5 dungeon maps over and over and over and over?

That would be Dragon Age II

Which was the Dragon's Age that recycled the same 5 dungeon maps over and over and over and over?

Hummmm

Here are some highlights from Dragon Age: Origins reviews.

“Perhaps the most noticeable and prevailing problem with Dragon Age is the combat, which suffers badly from being neither a satisfying 3rd person action experience nor a tactical team affair.” - GameOver


“Dragon Age: Origins' biggest problem is that its plot isn't very interesting. The Darkspawn are basically just Sauron's orcs with a slightly different name, and the game actually does a poor job of building them up as any sort of threat. They just seem to be loitering around until the plot decides that you get to kick their butts. The Darkspawn are led by a voiceless and faceless evil that never feels like an actual threat. He appears only a handful of times, and he's usually shown whining in his castle about how things are not going his way, and his few attempts to halt your progress are laughable” – Worthplaying


“The graphics are dated, the battles are like pulling teeth and while there is a lot to accomplish, none of it ever actually borders on being fun.” - GamersTemple


Dragon Age is sorely lacking in the things that make a truly great role-playing game, or any game for that matter: vision, inspiration, soul…

Somewhere in its journey back to its roots, BioWare has got lost in the dense tangle of what it was trying to accomplish… It has summoned an entire world into existence in the most meticulous detail, but failed to give it an identity beyond the blandest cliché

In its desperation to infuse this setting with "maturity" - be it of the sober, political kind, or the game's painfully clumsy gore and sex - BioWare has forgotten the key ingredient of any fantasy: the fantastical.

Side quests are perfunctory and unappealing filler, usually boiling down to a treasure hunt or a long explanation for a short scrap. -EuroGamer


Seems like the more things change, the more they stay the same.

Kajetan wrote on Nov 4, 2024, 07:33:

RogueSix wrote on Nov 4, 2024, 04:46:
You'd hope they'd have a little more integrity and would have the spine to tell BioWare that their game is crap compared to BG3 but at the end of the day they won't dare bite the hands that feed them.

Veilguard does not need to be compared to BG3. This is not your epic RPG from a long absent, different generation of Bioware devs. Veilguard is aimed at people for whom BG3 was wayyyy to complex and who just want nice, pleasant graphics and something to click dead without much thought. Which, by the way, is ok. Of course you may want such a simpler game. And EA can offer such a game anytime they want.

The only thing not ok is using the Dragon Age brand for such a game. Because it implies that Veilguard is something which it clearly is NOT.

One of the best post I read was some said that Dragon Age Veilguard was Cosplaying to be Dragon Age.

That was too funny, and seems on par.

This is an RPG in name only. At least from the reviews I've seen of it, it's basically an action RPG, it is extremely linear and all the dialogue options boil down to basically it doesn't matter what you click or how you "roleplay" your character, it's impossible to piss anyone off and your choices don't matter in the least. So par for the course for a Bioware game. Hard pass.

Bioware died when EA purchased it over a decade ago. My choices mattered plenty in kotor, bg1+2, da:o, etc. Bioware is just EA now and is forever tainted, the devz who made the games that I cared about, are long gone and it's now fan fiction stories.

This is an RPG in name only. At least from the reviews I've seen of it, it's basically an action RPG, it is extremely linear and all the dialogue options boil down to basically it doesn't matter what you click or how you "roleplay" your character, it's impossible to piss anyone off and your choices don't matter in the least. So par for the course for a Bioware game. Hard pass.

RogueSix wrote on Nov 4, 2024, 04:46:
You'd hope they'd have a little more integrity and would have the spine to tell BioWare that their game is crap compared to BG3 but at the end of the day they won't dare bite the hands that feed them.

Veilguard does not need to be compared to BG3. This is not your epic RPG from a long absent, different generation of Bioware devs. Veilguard is aimed at people for whom BG3 was wayyyy to complex and who just want nice, pleasant graphics and something to click dead without much thought. Which, by the way, is ok. Of course you may want such a simpler game. And EA can offer such a game anytime they want.

The only thing not ok is using the Dragon Age brand for such a game. Because it implies that Veilguard is something which it clearly is NOT.

Darks wrote on Nov 3, 2024, 22:42:

RogueSix wrote on Nov 3, 2024, 18:59:

Darks wrote on Nov 3, 2024, 16:47:

RogueSix wrote on Nov 3, 2024, 14:01:
This, I like. Should hopefully mean that the game will be feature and content complete very soon and drop to within the ~€20 - €25 range possibly as soon as next summer sale or second half next year at the very latest.

No dude, I already heard it through the grape vine that Bioware has thrown their hands up and don't want to waste anymore time on the game.

Essentially saying, they know its a fail!

Eh? Then why "no dude"? Shouldn't that mean that price drops would come even sooner? Music to my ears!

I agree that it's a "fail". The weekend is all but over so we have definitely seen the peak. It hit just over 89K.
BG3, about 15 months old at this point, runs circles around Veilguard with a 24h peak of 101K and BG3's all-time peak (875K) was almost TEN times higher than Veilguard's. LOL.

That's gotta sting really bad for BioWare, man. Even the so called "haters" predicted Veilguard would hit "only" ~300K which everyone already considered to be an embarrassment at less than half of BG3. But 89K, which is just over a 10th of BG3, takes the cake and is really sucky-sucky, far worse than even what the "haters" imagined.

Even if Bio wanted to do DLCs then EA would probably say 'nope' because they wouldn't want to throw good money after bad. Best to leave this stinker as it is and hope for the long tail...

I was willing to give the game a shot, but I wont support any game that does not support Full keyboard rebinding. Especially the ARROW Keys! Fk all that! But I guess some here would call us haters because we are complaining about an option that should be in the game.

There are steam post about it, many are not happy about the keybindings being locked down. How a game gets through QA and they always over look the keybindings is beyond incompetence and just lazy development.

Well, that's unfortunately still par for the course for big publisher AAA console ports so I'm not at all surprised about such oversights. GTA VI will be the usual shitfest with regard to controls as well. It's deliberate. They do not want to invest any money but the bare minimum in a PC port.

That, however, isn't my main issue with a game like DATV. My main concern is still that I have barely seen anyone saying the characters, the story, the dialogue or the choices & consequences are great. Some people seem to like the combat which is, frankly, the least important aspect of a BioWare Dragon Age RPG to me.

I even slogged through DA2 (warts and all) and all of its DLCs as well as through DAI and all of its DLCs (that one took nearly 200 hours). The combat was mostly garbage in both games but what kept me engaged was the actual content.

This actual content seems to be mostly crap in Veilguard. Even the BioWare fanbois and fangals admit as much. I'm glad to see that gamers are responding accordingly. One tenth of the peak player numbers of BG3 sends a clear message that the majority of gamers have gotten used to better shit than what BioWare has shat out here.

It is unfortunate that the so called "professional" reviewers and shitfluencers are still giving them a free pass because they want to be invited to the next (ME5) preview events again with five star hotels and all-inclusive nyom nyom.
You'd hope they'd have a little more integrity and would have the spine to tell BioWare that their game is crap compared to BG3 but at the end of the day they won't dare bite the hands that feed them. I guess this will never change... just how this industry has always been working and will continue to work. 10/10 because muppets want to be on the next plane again.

I'm just tired of every game becoming a battleground for these fucking stupid, tired culture wars. I can never know if a game is actually good or bad because every developer is falling over themselves declaring it to be either "stunning and brave" or a "woke disaster". Most of us could not possibly care any less; we just want a review of the game. As it stands, watching the playthroughs I can find make it seem diluted and made fairly juvenile with subpar combat. God forbid I could trust a review to be an unbiased review of the actual game's quality; instead I have to watch hours upon hours of gameplay to determine that. I am getting really sick of this shit if I am being honest. To all YouTubers who think that they are edgy because they can type "WOKE" and saying that the game is an "UTTER FAILURE" and that the developers are "PANICKING", I just want to say "I HATE YOU SO MUCH PLEASE DIE IN A FIRE."

Hmmm ... I wonder if I have a future as a YouTube influencer.

RogueSix wrote on Nov 3, 2024, 18:59:

Darks wrote on Nov 3, 2024, 16:47:

RogueSix wrote on Nov 3, 2024, 14:01:
This, I like. Should hopefully mean that the game will be feature and content complete very soon and drop to within the ~€20 - €25 range possibly as soon as next summer sale or second half next year at the very latest.

No dude, I already heard it through the grape vine that Bioware has thrown their hands up and don't want to waste anymore time on the game.

Essentially saying, they know its a fail!

Eh? Then why "no dude"? Shouldn't that mean that price drops would come even sooner? Music to my ears!

I agree that it's a "fail". The weekend is all but over so we have definitely seen the peak. It hit just over 89K.
BG3, about 15 months old at this point, runs circles around Veilguard with a 24h peak of 101K and BG3's all-time peak (875K) was almost TEN times higher than Veilguard's. LOL.

That's gotta sting really bad for BioWare, man. Even the so called "haters" predicted Veilguard would hit "only" ~300K which everyone already considered to be an embarrassment at less than half of BG3. But 89K, which is just over a 10th of BG3, takes the cake and is really sucky-sucky, far worse than even what the "haters" imagined.

Even if Bio wanted to do DLCs then EA would probably say 'nope' because they wouldn't want to throw good money after bad. Best to leave this stinker as it is and hope for the long tail...

I was willing to give the game a shot, but I wont support any game that does not support Full keyboard rebinding. Especially the ARROW Keys! Fk all that! But I guess some here would call us haters because we are complaining about an option that should be in the game.

There are steam post about it, many are not happy about the keybindings being locked down. How a game gets through QA and they always over look the keybindings is beyond incompetence and just lazy development.

If you're the type of guy that watches far right YouTube gamer videos that hate everything because you are the type of empty person with time to stew and hate yourself, you think this is a failure.

If you're a reasonable person looking to enjoy your hobby and not use it as an excuse to be miserable, you can see it's doing fine and that those YouTubers are just making things up to try to not seem like they were absolutely wrong