Not in very good condition, and no original packaging, so I imagine the only value they have is sentimental.

Prez wrote on Nov 4, 2024, 13:19:

Mr. Tact wrote on Nov 4, 2024, 13:09:
For me it is the microwave, the oven/stone, the wall clock, my 1978 GE clock radio, and my car.

Haha, I remember that my parents used to have a 70's clock radio in their bedroom when I was a kid. They might even have bought it in the 60's. I recently noticed that my dad still has it in his garage when I went over their house recently. He also had all of my original Star Wars toys that came out in time for Xmas in '77. My dad is a big time packrat apparently.

dude if you still have original 70s star wars toys in good condition, those might be worth a lot of money.

Actually, thinking about it... I shorted myself two years... got it for Christmas my 8th grade year -- that would have been 1976, not 1978. It has a red led readout (as most electronic displays did in 1976) but the key thing is it has a slider to adjust the brightness and it goes dim enough to NOT be bright in a pitch black room. It is tough to find a clock radio which dims that much. It is still my bedside clock.

Mr. Tact wrote on Nov 4, 2024, 13:09:
For me it is the microwave, the oven/stone, the wall clock, my 1978 GE clock radio, and my car.

Haha, I remember that my parents used to have a 70's clock radio in their bedroom when I was a kid. They might even have bought it in the 60's. I recently noticed that my dad still has it in his garage when I went over their house recently. He also had all of my original Star Wars toys that came out in time for Xmas in '77. My dad is a big time packrat apparently.

For me it is the microwave, the oven/stone, the wall clock, my 1978 GE clock radio, and my car.

I have to admit that having a reliable clock - my phone - makes it much more tolerable, but yeah, despite all the automation, I have several clocks I have to adjust:

4 digital clocks, none of which support DST
8 watches (I'm a watch snob)
1 Oven Clock
2 Electro-mechanical clocks in the pool patio
3 Cars. Annoyingly, my wife's 2018 Navigator, which is connected to Wifi at home, to get updates over night, for some deranged reason doesn't time sync when it does it's updates and I still have to manually reset her clock.

Every device that measures time in my house changed itself automatically save for the little digital display on the stove. Is "setting clocks back" even much of a thing anymore? I was on straight night shift for many years and I rotated shift work the rest of the time. I don't care what time it is - I just used to need to know how much time I had until I had to be somewhere.

The Flying Penguin wrote on Nov 4, 2024, 10:18:
Pick one or the other, I don't care, but I am tired of the switch twice a year.

This is my position and that's from someone who almost completely unaffected by the change either with my sleep or my activities. It is a tool that has outlived its usefulness. And doctors definitely think we should get rid of it.

Pick one or the other, I don't care, but I am tired of the switch twice a year. The hour shift itself has never bothered me physiologically, but I am one of those people who cam sleep anywhere, any time. I just hate the routine of changing clocks.

Whatever time the sun come up, people will get used to it. People get used to all kinds of shit. I know people who have worked night shift for years and now prefer it.

I saw the "Pitbull Tries Lettuce" link without seeing "Creature Features" and was thinking "How has Pitbull (the musician) never eaten lettuce? Why do we care what he thinks about it?"

Lmao

As for whether the sun rising at 4:45 or 5:45 is peferable, it all has to with how easy it is to sleep through it.
Sure, I don't *want* to wake up before the clock says 7:00, and even then, that time is decided by external factors, but the sunshine that makes it through the curtains tells my body that it should wake up, even though it ends up making me feel worse for the rest of the day and regardless of what I need to actually do.


And of course the switch is terrible. I already have difficulty staying functional as late as I'm required to (again by external factors) and standard time pushes that an hour later, and then when I wake up (far earlier than I need/want to) there's a whole lot more night to wait through.

Yes, it's still night while I post this, and yes, i waited like two hours before turning on a screen. I'd be feeling a whole lot better now if I could have gone to bed an hour earlier, but again, schedules are ruled by external factors.

Checking Wikipedia I see the military has used the alphabet to label each of the global times zones. With "J" ("Juliet") being reserved to indicate local time. I assume I must have known this at some point but since forgotten it.

Prez wrote on Nov 3, 2024, 17:10:
On-board clocks showed "Zulu" time, which I guess is how squadron made sure all of its combat vessels were on the same time.

Zulu is the US military's term for GMT. I have no idea why they call it Zulu. Maybe they thought they didn't want to have to keep explaining to new recruits what GMT was.

The whole change the clocks thing is just meaningless BS, no time is gained, no time is lost, time is immutable, tasking a civilization to abruptly change it's schedules is futile and silly and a sad commentary on how far this civilization has yet to go.

<Shrugs>

I know but that doesn't mean it's not completely stupid, arbitrary, and counter-productive.

I've ditched getting up by a clock. I go to bed when I'm tired and wake up whenever I do. Work doesn't give a shit if I roll in at 0800 or 1100. So long as all milestones are hit and I deliver. I don't schedule meetings before 1300 because no one wants to start a day with a meeting outside of sociopaths who want to hear themselves bloviate. Let people come in, get their caffeine, get settled, and get themselves going.

So, let's take your 0700 forced wake up time. Whether the sun rises at 0445 or 0545 is irrelevant, you'd have slept through both points and slept the same amount. It makes no sense to me to worry about sunrise when people are likely to sleep through it anyway.

you know very well we're never getting rid of actual time and clocks; our productivity will forever be tied to the actual time. businesses and schools will always open at 8 or 9 regardless of the sun. the sun coming up at 4:45 when the vast majority of workers don't have to wake up until 7 makes no sense to me.

1badmf wrote on Nov 3, 2024, 17:01:
in that case, sunrise at the summer soltice will be around 4:45am. tad early don't you think?

Hell no. If you removed the weird, counterintuitive obsession with time that has been foisted upon people in the name of "productivity", people could follow whatever their natural circadian rhythm was and you would see a net positive health outcome from it.

What's the substantive difference between 0445 and 0545 if you naturally want to wake when the sun is 20 degrees above the eastern horizon?

I think that they should keep doing it exactly how they do it every year so that we'll always have something to bitch about. 😁

Marking time is a social construct anyway, and I have never seen the big deal. A lot of that might be that I spent over 30 years on rotating shift work (with some of that literally never seeing the sun) and the screwed up way military time was tracked. On-board clocks showed "Zulu" time, which I guess is how squadron made sure all of its combat vessels were on the same time. I remember once looking at the clock and it said 1:00. We had just had "midrats" which is the military version of the midnight snack. Meaning it was 1:00 am. An hour later we pulled in somewhere and it was mid afternoon. 🙂

I stopped caring what time it was after that.

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Burrito of Peace wrote on Nov 3, 2024, 13:45:
I'm in support of just sticking with Standard Time. Few are working the fields these days and the sun worshippers can piss up a rope. There have been numerous studies that show the deleterious effects that swapping back and forth have.

in that case, sunrise at the summer soltice will be around 4:45am. tad early don't you think? i think perma DST makes more sense.

We've already passed legislation to do away with the clock changes but it won't happen until the US gets on board. Man, you don't have the metric system, you still have pennies and dollar bills as well. Get with the program! Still, I don't know why we're waiting on the US. How the hell is an hour going to make a difference? When I worked on the west coast we used to just deal with our east coast clients first and work backward to the west coast because of the time zones. A measly hour isn't going to upend everything. If you need to contact a business in another time zone you obviously do it when they're around regardless of what time it is where you are. I imagine if you had a referendum on it, people would overwhelmingly vote to do away with it. Pick a goddamned lane.