Out of the Blue

Today is Columbus Day here in the U.S., and apparently elsewhere, as the Wikipedia explains this is celebrated in a bunch of other countries under various names. But the name of the occasion here is also in flux, as it is also now Indigenous Peoples' Day for many as part of the backlash of what can at the very least be called the excesses of the Age of Exploration that lead to the Age of Imperialism. This might explain why I feel this snuck up on me this year, as it doesn't seem to be as prominent as it once was, despite still being a Federal Holiday.

Also, happy Thanksgiving to Canada, where this is celebrated on the second Monday in October. I like how the U.S. version falls on Thursday, but mid-October is a much better time for a celebration of fall than late November, which is too close to the holiday season, not to mention my birthday. So good on you, Canada. I'll try and hunt down some pumpkin pie to celebrate.

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Re: OotB: Happy Holiday?
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Re: OotB: Happy Holiday? Oct 14, 2024, 19:48
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Burrito of Peace wrote on Oct 14, 2024, 19:39:
Sepharo wrote on Oct 14, 2024, 18:58:
So perhaps, "indigenous peoples of the Americas" refers to "the continent's pre-Columbian inhabitants prior to European settlement in the 15th century."
What do you think?

P.S. here are two excellent channels I subscribe to that cover the stuff BoP wrote up. Lot's of new information in this field lately.
https://www.youtube.com/@StefanMilo
https://www.youtube.com/@AncientAmericas

See, it's harder to pin down than that for me because of what we keep learning and discovering. Like the 2017 discovery at the San Diego site. That predates everything we knew about hominid habitation of North America by almost nine thousand years.

If I had to swag at it, and this is most definitely a swag, I would say that the "indigenous peoples of Americas" refers to any peoples that existed from 2000BCE and earlier. Everything, and everyone, after that falls in to just another human migratory pattern to me.

Those are both excellent channels and I heartily second and endorse your recommendations.

I thought your "point" made more sense when you were arguing that technically no peoples are indigenous... Not an important or useful point by any means when discussing indigenous peoples as the word is used in both academic and common parlance... but still something that's technically right in the most obtuse, semantic argument kind of way.

But now that you've shifted it to some arbitrary year instead...
And saying that you use these semantic arguments to push back against pushes for indigenous rights... it almost seems worse than Cutter's nonsense.
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