SAG-AFTRA Picketing Activision Wednesday

SAG-AFTRA announces plans to picket Activision on Wednesday as part of its ongoing strike against game companies over the use of AI actors in video games. Back in the formative days of labor unions picket lines were full-time efforts marked by extreme hardship and violence. But this is drastically different in the present day, and this week's demonstration at Activision's Santa Monica offices will run from Noon to 3:00 pm EDT. Here's a refresher:
SAG-AFTRA members who perform in video games went on strike against all video game companies signed to the Interactive Media Agreement, effective 12:01 a.m. on Friday, July 26.

SAG-AFTRA is striking this contract so that members working in interactive media (video games) can continue earning a living doing the job they love. Our members’ work and likenesses are being exploited by artificial intelligence, and video game companies have refused to offer a fair deal that addresses this existential threat.
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opie wrote on Oct 13, 2024, 13:46:
yawn. LeArN tO cOdE!1!1

Right? How hard could it be? Coal miners can do it, and email was invented by 14-year-old, Shiva Ayyadurai. Like coding is so super easy that Ai can do it.
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SimplyMonk wrote on Oct 13, 2024, 23:28:
Yeah. That’s fair, but it isn’t like automation would do anything for us but remove jobs and increase corporate profits. Also, if automation was really ready to replace dock workers management would roll that shit out instantly and burn the union.

Automation is ready but the longshoremen men get special consideration that other unions do not. It all has to do with their history and going all the way back to WWII. Strikes couldn't happen during that so they got those special considerations in agreement to forgo any strikes and they were never removed. The union definitely has too much power at this point - and it's long past due to claw back those privileges - like no automation. That has actually been bad for consumers because it's artificially been inflating prices on imported goods for decades now. Regardless, the shipping companies using those ports are making mad bank and not sharing the wealth, or cutting prices - that too needs to change and be regulated. The problem here is really very much both of them. And no government has wanted to touch it because they'll lose looking like they're playing favorites with one side or another. Help the union and and they're anti-consumer and anti-business. Help the corps and they're trying to squash the working man. You need a majority government to come down on both and modernize it all in one fell swoop. There's no half measures with this mess.

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Oct 13, 2024, 23:35
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Prez wrote on Oct 13, 2024, 21:22:
In response to JTW: yep. That's why I can't truly claim to be pro-union. Unions will often vote to limit a companies long term success for personal interests. I get why they do it, as I said they are a net positive compared to corporations that have no checks and balances. Unions at best are a lesser of two evils. I worked union jobs for 20 years, so I have seen it firsthand.

Ideally unions are for the long term success of the workers. That comes at the expense of the company but shouldn’t be detrimental to the long term success of the company unless the union or the company is poorly managed, which does happen. If a company goes under though or can’t pay out pensions, that is bad for the union as well.

It is all a numbers game and the instant the company thinks it would make more money shutting down the union shop and moving operations offshore, it will.
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JTW wrote on Oct 13, 2024, 21:03:
SimplyMonk wrote on Oct 13, 2024, 17:05:
Marvin T. Martian wrote on Oct 13, 2024, 15:40:
Overon wrote on Oct 13, 2024, 14:05:
Labor actions are good.
NO THEY ARE NOT "The demand by striking U.S. dockworkers for a 77% wage increase is breathtaking in its scale even to veterans of the bare-knuckle negotiations of past port labor contracts." "captains’ pay at US mainline carriers has increased 46% since 2020, while those flying for US regional airlines saw their wages rise 86%." and on and on. Just more increases in prices for those that can't hold the public and country hostage

What they negotiated was an increase of 68% over 7 years which is pretty reasonable given inflation. On average that means that in 7 years, the most senior of dock workers will be making $120K/year working 40hr/week which seems pretty solid if not still on the low side due to our inflation over the next 7 years and real estate prices in around those docks. Probably not even enough though to support a family without their partner also working a comparable job minus daycare.

What is your problem with any of this?


To be fair, they're not really doing the rest of us any favors with this. Our port system is backwards - of developed countries, it's one of the most out-of-date and primitive, also making it slow and much more expensive.

Why? Because the union has blocked the automation that has improved every other modern port in the world.

Yeah. That’s fair, but it isn’t like automation would do anything for us but remove jobs and increase corporate profits. Also, if automation was really ready to replace dock workers management would roll that shit out instantly and burn the union.
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Oct 13, 2024, 22:52
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To quote the legendary Norm MacDonald:

I believe everyone involved in this story should die.
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The idea that unions are responsible for higher prices is laughable. Unions don't set prices. Management sets prices for customers. Instead of paying workers less, management can just set lower prices and get less profit while paying workers more.

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Oct 13, 2024, 21:22
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 Prez
 
In response to JTW: yep. That's why I can't truly claim to be pro-union. Unions will often vote to limit a companies long term success for personal interests. I get why they do it, as I said they are a net positive compared to corporations that have no checks and balances. Unions at best are a lesser of two evils. I worked union jobs for 20 years, so I have seen it firsthand.
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Oct 13, 2024, 21:03
JTW
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JTW
 
SimplyMonk wrote on Oct 13, 2024, 17:05:
Marvin T. Martian wrote on Oct 13, 2024, 15:40:
Overon wrote on Oct 13, 2024, 14:05:
Labor actions are good.
NO THEY ARE NOT "The demand by striking U.S. dockworkers for a 77% wage increase is breathtaking in its scale even to veterans of the bare-knuckle negotiations of past port labor contracts." "captains’ pay at US mainline carriers has increased 46% since 2020, while those flying for US regional airlines saw their wages rise 86%." and on and on. Just more increases in prices for those that can't hold the public and country hostage

What they negotiated was an increase of 68% over 7 years which is pretty reasonable given inflation. On average that means that in 7 years, the most senior of dock workers will be making $120K/year working 40hr/week which seems pretty solid if not still on the low side due to our inflation over the next 7 years and real estate prices in around those docks. Probably not even enough though to support a family without their partner also working a comparable job minus daycare.

What is your problem with any of this?


To be fair, they're not really doing the rest of us any favors with this. Our port system is backwards - of developed countries, it's one of the most out-of-date and primitive, also making it slow and much more expensive.

Why? Because the union has blocked the automation that has improved every other modern port in the world.
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Oct 13, 2024, 20:41
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 Prez
 
I'm not exactly pro-union in a vacuum, but compared to how anti-corporate I am, yeah I guess I am pro-union. The abuses that your average corporation gets away with every single day is staggering. Anything -ANYTHING - that they do that could be interpreted as even only slightly pro-employee is something that they have to be forced to do. Please don't let rich people brainwash you into thinking that your average employee is the problem.

I'm not particularly high on SAG-AFTRA, but they are angels compared to the companies that hire them.
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Oct 13, 2024, 19:50
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Marvin T. Martian wrote on Oct 13, 2024, 15:40:
Overon wrote on Oct 13, 2024, 14:05:
Labor actions are good.
NO THEY ARE NOT "The demand by striking U.S. dockworkers for a 77% wage increase is breathtaking in its scale even to veterans of the bare-knuckle negotiations of past port labor contracts." "captains’ pay at US mainline carriers has increased 46% since 2020, while those flying for US regional airlines saw their wages rise 86%." and on and on. Just more increases in prices for those that can't hold the public and country hostage

The ports are making 400 BILLION in net profit per year. Managment salaries are about 10X-300X greater - C-Suite - than the people doing the actual work. It's not price increases its redistributing those profits more fairly. Why do people like you always castigate the working stiff but nary a fucking peep out of you about the CEOs making more money than all those workers combined. I guess you were fine with Musk getting a 50 BILLION dollar bonus, but all the people who got screwed out of their bonuses - $200 measly million for dozens upon dozens of employees - are the problem. How fucking greedy of them. Jesus, you'd have made a perfect Uncle Tom.

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Oct 13, 2024, 19:48
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Marvin T. Martian wrote on Oct 13, 2024, 15:40:
Overon wrote on Oct 13, 2024, 14:05:
Labor actions are good.
NO THEY ARE NOT "The demand by striking U.S. dockworkers for a 77% wage increase is breathtaking in its scale even to veterans of the bare-knuckle negotiations of past port labor contracts." "captains’ pay at US mainline carriers has increased 46% since 2020, while those flying for US regional airlines saw their wages rise 86%." and on and on. Just more increases in prices for those that can't hold the public and country hostage

Imagine blaming the working man for the increase in prices, and not the people setting the prices who decided that since they have to pay people what they are worth, they are going to pass that cost on to everyone else instead of carrying that burden themselves.

Get some fucking perspective and stop letting billionaire scum pit you against actual working humans.
Do you have a single fact to back that up?
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Oct 13, 2024, 18:55
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We got an anti-union person in the audience.
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Oct 13, 2024, 17:05
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Marvin T. Martian wrote on Oct 13, 2024, 15:40:
Overon wrote on Oct 13, 2024, 14:05:
Labor actions are good.
NO THEY ARE NOT "The demand by striking U.S. dockworkers for a 77% wage increase is breathtaking in its scale even to veterans of the bare-knuckle negotiations of past port labor contracts." "captains’ pay at US mainline carriers has increased 46% since 2020, while those flying for US regional airlines saw their wages rise 86%." and on and on. Just more increases in prices for those that can't hold the public and country hostage

What they negotiated was an increase of 68% over 7 years which is pretty reasonable given inflation. On average that means that in 7 years, the most senior of dock workers will be making $120K/year working 40hr/week which seems pretty solid if not still on the low side due to our inflation over the next 7 years and real estate prices in around those docks. Probably not even enough though to support a family without their partner also working a comparable job minus daycare.

What is your problem with any of this?
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Oct 13, 2024, 16:00
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Marvin T. Martian wrote on Oct 13, 2024, 15:40:
Overon wrote on Oct 13, 2024, 14:05:
Labor actions are good.
NO THEY ARE NOT "The demand by striking U.S. dockworkers for a 77% wage increase is breathtaking in its scale even to veterans of the bare-knuckle negotiations of past port labor contracts." "captains’ pay at US mainline carriers has increased 46% since 2020, while those flying for US regional airlines saw their wages rise 86%." and on and on. Just more increases in prices for those that can't hold the public and country hostage

Both of you seem to have a very black-and-white view or reality.

Labor actions are a vital and powerful tool. How any particular union uses that tool can be good, bad, and everything in between.
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Overon wrote on Oct 13, 2024, 14:05:
Labor actions are good.
NO THEY ARE NOT "The demand by striking U.S. dockworkers for a 77% wage increase is breathtaking in its scale even to veterans of the bare-knuckle negotiations of past port labor contracts." "captains’ pay at US mainline carriers has increased 46% since 2020, while those flying for US regional airlines saw their wages rise 86%." and on and on. Just more increases in prices for those that can't hold the public and country hostage
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Labor actions are good.
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yawn. LeArN tO cOdE!1!1
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