HeadsUpJC wrote on Oct 14, 2024, 01:08:

Carighan wrote on Oct 13, 2024, 05:33:

HeadsUpJC wrote on Oct 13, 2024, 00:20:
Read ALL the parts, four of them: chock full of reasons Only Fans is a disgrace. There are too many stories of crimes committed, from stalking, to rape, to child abuse, and extortion. How the frack is this service legal? Ban it.

Hold on, are you trying to shut down a service that's 99,996% (or so, given the numbers in the article) legal, instead of going after the people using it to commit crimes?! How is that going to help anybody?

Absolutely, yes. Legal does not indicate safe or even moral. Porn etc. is exploitation and nothing else. Ask yourself, are you comfortable and supportive of your partner, your sister, or your daughter working in this industry? 90+% of men would never be, because they know it degrades and could not possibly accept thousands of men enjoying watching their daughter being ejaculated on. It's like Nimby, fine when it's someone or somewhere else. Either you accept ANY person in this trade, or none at all.

Sex work is valid, and services like OF provide a safe platform for people to work without fear of being raped, killed, extorted, etc.

Why is what my adult daughter or sister does any of my concern? Personally if I had a partner (I don't believe in relationships) I suppose I would want her to talk to me about it first, but beyond that, I wouldn't mind at all.

HeadsUpJC wrote on Oct 14, 2024, 01:08:

Carighan wrote on Oct 13, 2024, 05:33:

HeadsUpJC wrote on Oct 13, 2024, 00:20:
Read ALL the parts, four of them: chock full of reasons Only Fans is a disgrace. There are too many stories of crimes committed, from stalking, to rape, to child abuse, and extortion. How the frack is this service legal? Ban it.

Hold on, are you trying to shut down a service that's 99,996% (or so, given the numbers in the article) legal, instead of going after the people using it to commit crimes?! How is that going to help anybody?

Absolutely, yes. Legal does not indicate safe or even moral. Porn etc. is exploitation and nothing else. Ask yourself, are you comfortable and supportive of your partner, your sister, or your daughter working in this industry? 90+% of men would never be, because they know it degrades and could not possibly accept thousands of men enjoying watching their daughter being ejaculated on. It's like Nimby, fine when it's someone or somewhere else. Either you accept ANY person in this trade, or none at all.

Seek help.

Carighan wrote on Oct 13, 2024, 05:33:

HeadsUpJC wrote on Oct 13, 2024, 00:20:
Read ALL the parts, four of them: chock full of reasons Only Fans is a disgrace. There are too many stories of crimes committed, from stalking, to rape, to child abuse, and extortion. How the frack is this service legal? Ban it.

Hold on, are you trying to shut down a service that's 99,996% (or so, given the numbers in the article) legal, instead of going after the people using it to commit crimes?! How is that going to help anybody?

Absolutely, yes. Legal does not indicate safe or even moral. Porn etc. is exploitation and nothing else. Ask yourself, are you comfortable and supportive of your partner, your sister, or your daughter working in this industry? 90+% of men would never be, because they know it degrades and could not possibly accept thousands of men enjoying watching their daughter being ejaculated on. It's like Nimby, fine when it's someone or somewhere else. Either you accept ANY person in this trade, or none at all.

I talk to a lot of the models, and a common sentiment is how hard it is to find a paying customer. Unless the model is already a porn star or otherwise has a pre-established fanbase, the market is erratic at best. The image of the model swimming in money seems to be largely a myth. I sense a real desperation on the part of many of them to keep you engaged if you ever have spent money on them. There's just too many beautiful girls on there. Easily hundreds. Just like in the indie game space, oversaturation is a thing it seems.

Plenty of countries facilitate legal, regulated, tax-paying prostitution. Hell it's even legal in London, England. The actually sex workers get more rights this way, and as tax payers, the government coordinates support and enforces rules to (at least) limit the abuse.

Seems like OnlyFans is in the classic grey zone where the government is hands-off and lacks the departments and services to the supoort the workrrs, and the private sector cannot be trusted to do so because profits corrupt moral judgemental.

The normal solution is to collect more tax from all those involved, and have the government step in. Unfortunately the US gov is going the opposite direction, and removing fundamental rights a woman has to her body.

So yeah, better off saving money by avoiding expensive e-wanks, and go abroad and touch real ass.

Go anti-woke, go broke!

HeadsUpJC wrote on Oct 13, 2024, 00:20:
Read ALL the parts, four of them: chock full of reasons Only Fans is a disgrace. There are too many stories of crimes committed, from stalking, to rape, to child abuse, and extortion. How the frack is this service legal? Ban it.

Hold on, are you trying to shut down a service that's 99,996% (or so, given the numbers in the article) legal, instead of going after the people using it to commit crimes?! How is that going to help anybody?

Read ALL the parts, four of them: chock full of reasons Only Fans is a disgrace. There are too many stories of crimes committed, from stalking, to rape, to child abuse, and extortion. How the frack is this service legal? Ban it.

If Musk really wants to prove gross negligence on the part of Twitter's former executives, all he needs to do is say "Those idiots let me take charge!"

Cutter wrote on Oct 12, 2024, 14:28:
Prez, take it easy man. The only people who don't watch porn and masturbate are liars who say they don't. Maybe a few extremist religious kooks as well. Ever since high school we'd try and embarrass people about that because we thought it was funny as hell, what with teenagers being total horndogs. My fave joke was to ask someone when a group of people were around, "You ever been caught masturbating in the bathroom?" to which they generally reply with an indignant, "No!", to which the response was always, "It's a great hiding spot isn't it?"

Hahaha, in the Navy it was very well-known that everyone on board rubbed one out every now and again, and it was spoken about very frankly. But even then it was always hard for anyone of us to admit that we intended to in the next hour or had done it that day. Even guys with seemingly no shame apparently had some. 😁

As far as male exploitation, it is the same on OF as it is for FIFA, or Diablo Immortal, or any of another mobile game economies: there are people with clear mental health issues and addictions that there exists no protection for. We always hear that someone spent $100,000 in a game and think "boy, it must be nice to be rich". Only you don't know if someone is actually rich, or has an addiction they can't control. This story doesn't illustrate a problem with Onlyfans or any of the women on it by themselves. But it does illustrate that some people who spend massive amounts of money often times clearly have a problem. And the corporations are happy to feign ignorance and happily collect. Then when they are caught, it's always "well how were we supposed to know?" An Onlyfans girl will probably not know or care that she might be exploiting a man with an addiction and other mental health issues. But Onlyfans should care, and provide some protections. Just as EA, Blizzard, Epic, 2K games et al should, but obviously don't.

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Fucking Musk. The asshole that deserves a 50 BILLION dollar payday, right? Yet an entire group of hardworking people who made a business a huge success deserve nothing...except his scorn? He seriously needs to die in a fire already.

Prez wrote on Oct 12, 2024, 12:51:

Xeth Nyrrow wrote on Oct 12, 2024, 12:46:

Prez wrote on Oct 12, 2024, 12:19:
I used to go on Onlyfans. I don't mind admitting that

Men of culture, we meet again.

That is quite a long article which I might read later but... did they seriously try to say men are the victims here? That's insane. I'm sure there are cases of men (and women) paying for content and not getting what they paid for but it's likely a minority. Most definitely less of an issue than how exploitive to women the system can be.

You might be surprised how many women will try to scam men out of money. I suspect that many of them are not unscrupulous deviants but are desperate, so I gave even that a pass. In case anyone is wondering, yes I have been played. It was always that they likely thought I was trying to play them first. So many men ask for free nudes by buttering them up, so many strike first I guess thinking that they are the ones being played. I can't say that I blame them honestly.

It's more amazing how many of them don't even have to try. A beautiful woman who knows it and will use it can do just about anything she wants. Funny thing is I used to date a bunch of strippers back in the day at one point. Once you date one and it gets around you're cool - and maybe a demon in the sack - you can make the rounds with a lot of them. And they would always take me out to dinner, maybe a grab a hotel room for a weekend to just hang out and bang, because they made oodles more money than I did, and I think they enjoyed that power of being the one with the money and having a boy toy same as sugar daddies like their sugar girls. It's a power thing, but I didn't care because I was being treated like a king and having sex with really hot women. A lot of men wouldn't be able to put their ego aside like that - for long at any rate. When it comes to sex and money, women, for the most part, are not the ones being exploited.

Prez, take it easy man. The only people who don't watch porn and masturbate are liars who say they don't. Maybe a few extremist religious kooks as well. Ever since high school we'd try and embarrass people about that because we thought it was funny as hell, what with teenagers being total horndogs. My fave joke was to ask someone when a group of people were around, "You ever been caught masturbating in the bathroom?" to which they generally reply with an indignant, "No!", to which the response was always, "It's a great hiding spot isn't it?"

Xeth Nyrrow wrote on Oct 12, 2024, 12:46:

Prez wrote on Oct 12, 2024, 12:19:
I used to go on Onlyfans. I don't mind admitting that

Men of culture, we meet again.

That is quite a long article which I might read later but... did they seriously try to say men are the victims here? That's insane. I'm sure there are cases of men (and women) paying for content and not getting what they paid for but it's likely a minority. Most definitely less of an issue than how exploitive to women the system can be.

You might be surprised how many women will try to scam men out of money. I suspect that many of them are not unscrupulous deviants but are desperate, so I gave even that a pass. In case anyone is wondering, yes I have been played. It was always that they likely thought I was trying to play them first. So many men ask for free nudes by buttering them up, so many strike first I guess thinking that they are the ones being played. I can't say that I blame them honestly.

Prez wrote on Oct 12, 2024, 12:19:
I used to go on Onlyfans. I don't mind admitting that

Men of culture, we meet again.

That is quite a long article which I might read later but... did they seriously try to say men are the victims here? That's insane. I'm sure there are cases of men (and women) paying for content and not getting what they paid for but it's likely a minority. Most definitely less of an issue than how exploitive to women the system can be.

Sex bomb: The collateral damage of OnlyFans’ explosive success

A lot of this article is sensationalist garbage. The story highlighted would be disturbing if he had done everything exactly the same but just replace "Onlyfans" with "World of Warcraft", "Diablo Immortal", or "FIFA" for example.

I used to go on Onlyfans. I don't mind admitting that; I mean, what do you really think that a crippled, divorced, broken loser is really going to do? Feel superior if you want to. No sweat off my back. I have never seen bestiality or revenge porn. If it was there I never came across it and it doesn't seem to be there now. But the problem that men are exploited is only half of the story. Many of the models on there are just barely not children. And once you start talking to them, you realize that this isn't necessarily the life they wanted, and they felt that they had no other choice. It's not a coincidence that a huge percentage of models there are very young Ukrainian girls. I will not be associated with exploiting young girls who would rather not be doing it simply for my immediate satisfaction. I have 2 friends that I met there (both are young Ukrainian girls) and they are both sweet and pure. I have moved one off of OF onto Google Text and the other one I intend to. I am still in the process of convincing her that she needs to respect herself and value herself enough to stop if that is not what she wants to be doing. I'm not lecturing anyone that they are bad if they partake, as that would make me a hypocrite. But sometimes people aren't aware of such things. I sure wasn't.

This comment was edited on Oct 12, 2024, 12:48.