NKD wrote on Sep 27, 2024, 01:02:

Beamer wrote on Sep 26, 2024, 22:18:
Is the "everyone deserves to be in the office 5 days a week" complaining due to jealousy, as the people ridiculing it either can't work from home or are no longer working and spent their career commuting, or is it standard conservatism (not political) in that it hates change and thinks anything different than what they grew up with is obviously ridiculous and there's no way to improve things?

It just feels like crabs in a bucket.

For the employers, I would guess control freakery combined with not wanting to feel like they wasted money on all that office space. For the plebs commenting on the internet, jealousy. Many people have jobs for which working from home is a physical impossibility so they don't think anyone else should have that opportunity either.

Oh yeah, I understand the employer POV, I just meant the usual suspects here that hate literally everything and crap on as much as humanly possible. The ones generally very angry at things that have zero impact on them but improve life for others.

Sepharo wrote on Sep 26, 2024, 21:32:

Riahderymnmaddog wrote on Sep 26, 2024, 21:09:

Prez wrote on Sep 26, 2024, 18:26:
My sister hates working from home. She much prefers the 3 days a week that she has to go in.

I am the same way; I need out of the house and to be physically doing things.

I know you meant for work.
But I feel like I get "out of the house" more often working from home than the office.
The extra 2 hours in my day is a big part of that, but so is being able to do things nearby my own home (again cutting down on commutes) like grab food, shop, run a quick errand etc.
I've always preferred to work a later schedule, even back when I was in the office, and that (and the 2 fkn hours of driving) really made doing anything at all on a weekday, other than working and sleeping, not possible.

I get that this is a highly personal situation regarding my preferred hours, long commute, and computer-only job... but there is no reason for me or my colleagues to be in a building at a cubicle desk.
The flexibility and comfort far outweighs any intangible nonsense these corporate RTO missives spout off about when productivity is up for WFH.

Yeah, the commute is a life killer, I don't want to do anything on the weekends either, it makes me depressed, and I have gained like 60 lbs. because I spend nearly all day on sitting on my ass, but it's that or be poor, and I am sure as fuck not doing that shit. I work in construction side of the org and do need to be on campus to walk at my job sites and such.

Prez wrote on Sep 26, 2024, 18:26:
My sister hates working from home. She much prefers the 3 days a week that she has to go in.

I'm the same way. I don't exactly hate it and it has it's perks but I actually prefer working in the office. I do live a 20 minute walk away though, so there is that to consider. If it were a longish car\train\bus commute I would probably feel different about it.

This comment was edited on Sep 27, 2024, 06:16.

Beamer wrote on Sep 26, 2024, 22:18:
Is the "everyone deserves to be in the office 5 days a week" complaining due to jealousy, as the people ridiculing it either can't work from home or are no longer working and spent their career commuting, or is it standard conservatism (not political) in that it hates change and thinks anything different than what they grew up with is obviously ridiculous and there's no way to improve things?

It just feels like crabs in a bucket.

For the employers, I would guess control freakery combined with not wanting to feel like they wasted money on all that office space. For the plebs commenting on the internet, jealousy. Many people have jobs for which working from home is a physical impossibility so they don't think anyone else should have that opportunity either.

Once AI starts replacing them en masse they'll be begging to just keep their jobs.

Is the "everyone deserves to be in the office 5 days a week" complaining due to jealousy, as the people ridiculing it either can't work from home or are no longer working and spent their career commuting, or is it standard conservatism (not political) in that it hates change and thinks anything different than what they grew up with is obviously ridiculous and there's no way to improve things?

It just feels like crabs in a bucket.

Riahderymnmaddog wrote on Sep 26, 2024, 21:09:

Prez wrote on Sep 26, 2024, 18:26:
My sister hates working from home. She much prefers the 3 days a week that she has to go in.

I am the same way; I need out of the house and to be physically doing things.

I know you meant for work.
But I feel like I get "out of the house" more often working from home than the office.
The extra 2 hours in my day is a big part of that, but so is being able to do things nearby my own home (again cutting down on commutes) like grab food, shop, run a quick errand etc.
I've always preferred to work a later schedule, even back when I was in the office, and that (and the 2 fkn hours of driving) really made doing anything at all on a weekday, other than working and sleeping, not possible.

I get that this is a highly personal situation regarding my preferred hours, long commute, and computer-only job... but there is no reason for me or my colleagues to be in a building at a cubicle desk.
The flexibility and comfort far outweighs any intangible nonsense these corporate RTO missives spout off about when productivity is up for WFH.

Prez wrote on Sep 26, 2024, 18:26:
My sister hates working from home. She much prefers the 3 days a week that she has to go in.

I am the same way; I need out of the house and to be physically doing things.

UBI is doing this because they are in panic mode. They think dragging everyone back into the office will give them more control and fix the problems.

but it wont, it will only make things worst!

My sister hates working from home. She much prefers the 3 days a week that she has to go in.

Good for them, return to office is terrible policy, costs employees time and money, clogs up commuting methods, and the only ones to benefit are the sole coffee shop nearby, and the few middle managers who have someone to boss around because that's all they're good for.

Riahderymnmaddog wrote on Sep 26, 2024, 13:45:
... but now everyone is "super busy" and unavailable while they "work from home"

One-handed working while jerking off to pr0nHuB girlies with the offhand is next level, dude. You gotta give those guys a break (and a raise)!

_Cory wrote on Sep 26, 2024, 13:09:
Striking over working in-office 3 days a week. LMAO

Come on, man. You can't half-ass entitlement. You either are entitled or you are not and these dudes decided to go all in!

Steele Johnson wrote on Sep 26, 2024, 15:21:
My last job was during the pandemic, and everyone worked from home. 2020, 2021, and 2022 were all record years for my company. After that, they tried to mandate a 3 day per week policy. My first day back, I was stuck in traffic for over an hour each way, and when I was at work, my manager talked my ear off for roughly 2 hours about his life outside of work. So I basically lost about 4+ hours of my work day due to traffic and interruptions in the office. Let's just say that I was way more productive working from home (as well as my whole team). I worked a solid 8 - 10 hour day without interruptions or dealing with traffic. So I guess it depends on where you live/work and not just some general rule that all companies need to follow

We finally did a return to office last year and they started requiring T-W-TH... which was actually more restrictive than pre-pandemic when you could work from home any day of the week you felt like with little hassle.
I had an hour commute each way and so applied for an exception. It had to go up many layers of management to an executive council or some shit but it got approved. So I'm full-time remote... but I occasionally go in for a big meeting on my manager's request. Maybe 4-5 times a year.

Steele Johnson wrote on Sep 26, 2024, 15:21:
My last job was during the pandemic, and everyone worked from home. 2020, 2021, and 2022 were all record years for my company. After that, they tried to mandate a 3 day per week policy. My first day back, I was stuck in traffic for over an hour each way, and when I was at work, my manager talked my ear off for roughly 2 hours about his life outside of work. So I basically lost about 4+ hours of my work day due to traffic and interruptions in the office. Let's just say that I was way more productive working from home (as well as my whole team). I worked a solid 8 - 10 hour day without interruptions or dealing with traffic. So I guess it depends on where you live/work and not just some general rule that all companies need to follow

Yeah, traffic SUX0RS, I leave home at 5:00am, typically get to work between 7 and 7:30am and leave for home at 4:15pm and arrive at about 7:00pm, but that's what I get for not doing anything meaningful with my life, resulting in me being unable to afford the 2.8 million dollar average cost of a home around my place of employment. FUck I can't even afford a 1-bedroom apartment, so a nearly 150-mile daily commute it is, until I get my shit together and stop being a loser.

My last job was during the pandemic, and everyone worked from home. 2020, 2021, and 2022 were all record years for my company. After that, they tried to mandate a 3 day per week policy. My first day back, I was stuck in traffic for over an hour each way, and when I was at work, my manager talked my ear off for roughly 2 hours about his life outside of work. So I basically lost about 4+ hours of my work day due to traffic and interruptions in the office. Let's just say that I was way more productive working from home (as well as my whole team). I worked a solid 8 - 10 hour day without interruptions or dealing with traffic. So I guess it depends on where you live/work and not just some general rule that all companies need to follow

_Cory wrote on Sep 26, 2024, 13:09:
Striking over working in-office 3 days a week. LMAO

Lol, out of fucking control.

I think working from home is great, but not all that productive. I am annoyed that every time i need to get something done, I have to repeatedly follow up, which was bad enough when people did come in every day, but now everyone is "super busy" and unavailable while they "work from home", which is weird as it seems things are not getting done. Also, I am fucking tired of getting called while on campus by the work at home folks that need me to take a quick 3 or 4 hours and do something things on campus for them.

Striking over working in-office 3 days a week. LMAO