GHOB wrote on Sep 19, 2024, 05:45:
Rock Paper Shotgun is not going to be around for long. Their views are way out of touch with the majority of the gaming player base. Gamers are tired of 'messaging' in their games, from both the left and the right.

I personally fully support what the Saber CEO wrote and am happy to spend money on their games if this is going to be their guiding philosophy. Make good games and leave the messaging to the idiots who want their projects to fail.

Get Woke, Go Broke.

Funny. I'm not aware of any so-called "woke" company actually ever going broke - despite folks repeating that silly mantra like it's some kind of whimsical magical "Bloody Mary" invocation.

AB InBev's stock price has mostly traded flat for the past 3 or so years (predating the non-troversy over its Bud cans which apparently was the last straw for some folks or else the excuse they needed to stop swilling crappy beer) which is consistent with and in several cases far better performance than the other alcoholic beverage conglomerates like Diageo, Molson Coors, Pernod Ricard, Boston Beer Company, etc. And AB InBev revenue reached a new record in 2023. Harley Davidson - ditto - flat for 5 years. Their problem is aging demographics for their main customer-base, not "wokeness".

Rolling Stone profiled some of the companies that faced boycotts over supposed "wokeness" and found most are more profitable than ever: https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/woke-companies-broke-profits-1234710724/

Predating all of that, the U.S. military integrated even earlier and somehow survived becoming "woke".

As crazy as this idea sounds, gaming - like so many other things - benefits from appealing to wider audiences. And funnily enough, this kind of thing has been going on for many many decades. The entire decade of the 1970s saw an explosion of television and movie entertainment that reflected "diversity" (another apparently scary word for some bizarre reason) - Dog Day Afternoon, The Jeffersons, Roots, CHiPs, Sesame Street, etc. (Star Trek and some other shows and films were already starting to do this in the 1960s). For that matter, Dungeons & Dragons encouraged players to develop adventuring parties composed of many races. Somehow folks managed to enjoy themselves and not ceaselessly whine about having to cater to the physical weakness of halflings or mages, or the goody two-shoes nature of paladins.

"Messaging" in entertainment changes over time. Over a century ago, British fantasy inevitably had a hero from the upper-class accompanied by a loyal but lower-class batman, and the messaging was that a stiff upper-lip and good breeding would always win the day over the raw savages and uncouth working class drudgery types who had their place and knew their place. And now a lot of American entertainment in recent decades has presented exactly the opposite - where the upper-crust person is either a twit or an adversary.

One of the great advances in games has been expansion of virtually everything - story, complexity, characters, etc. Pong was great in its time in its own simplicity, but generally most folks seem to appreciate that there is more to gaming than batting a virtual ball around. Some of the messaging around even first person shooters is what exactly makes the bad guys "bad" - spelling it out with their actions rather than just boringly saying "they're bad so just play the game".

As far as I've seen, the expansion of romances in games doesn't force anyone to do a romance option they don't want, and is there to provide options that appeal to more gamers. Because again, entertainment and any other money-making enterprise benefits from expanding its audience. But apparently basic capitalist concepts are "woke" these days and the "core audience" doesn't like sharing whatever it's latched onto with anyone else, so go figure.

GHOB wrote on Sep 19, 2024, 16:27:
I've been reading this site since the very beginning. Build my first 486 system in 1993 so I could play Doom and Strike Commander.

I only recently decided to post because some of the people who post here seem so completely detached from the reality of what most gamers actually think. Nothing wrong with providing a counter point to the woke mob who relish in identity politics.

Not sure who voted you to be the mouthpiece of most of The Gamers, nor how you come even close to the idea you speak for any faction of it.

You do not even remotely speak for me that’s for G‘damn sure.

GHOB wrote on Sep 19, 2024, 16:27:
I've been reading this site since the very beginning. Build my first 486 system in 1993 so I could play Doom and Strike Commander.

As have a lot of us. So?

Oh, cute, you built your first 486 and think that somehow gives you cred.

Boyo, my first "computer" was a Microdata 3200 out in the garage that I connected to via a Wyse WY60 terminal. I got the 3200 as basically a cabinet and the power supply with a couple of barely populated boards. The rest I had to hand wire, solder, and flash the EEPROMs, that I had to source and buy, myself. Then I had to write custom Pick objects to take advantage of the few kilobytes of words (not the literary kind) it could save for recall later.

You know what that means? Absolutely fuck and all.

I've owned, and driven, a 1933 Model B with a flathead V8. That also means fuck and all. It just means I've lived long enough to participate in the use of early technology.

GHOB wrote on Sep 19, 2024, 16:27:
I've been reading this site since the very beginning. Build my first 486 system in 1993 so I could play Doom and Strike Commander.

I only recently decided to post because some of the people who post here seem so completely detached from the reality of what most gamers actually think. Nothing wrong with providing a counter point to the woke mob who relish in identity politics.

You're not a gamer, you're an old man. There's a difference. All of us here are old men.

You're not really qualified to speak for what "most" want. You're not in market research. You're just an old man that probably thinks he and the echo chambers he posts in are so large that they're the majority of the market.

You're wrong. But ok. You're allowed to be.

I've been reading this site since the very beginning. Build my first 486 system in 1993 so I could play Doom and Strike Commander.

I only recently decided to post because some of the people who post here seem so completely detached from the reality of what most gamers actually think. Nothing wrong with providing a counter point to the woke mob who relish in identity politics.

Ugh, yes, so morally complex and imposing, these games these days. *eyeroll so hard that I injure my neck*

NKD wrote on Sep 19, 2024, 07:14:

ZeroPike1 wrote on Sep 19, 2024, 06:37:
Probably a sock puppet account for somebody else here.

In it, the poster thanks youtuber Asmongold for the video

The moment this goober‘s name is mentioned anything that comes after in relation to the shit he spews out of his mouth, is automatically lacking in any merit whatsoever in my view.

Yeah, back when I played WoW more consistently I used to watch some of his videos and streams. He had some thoughtful opinions on the direction of the game and how things should be. He wasn't always the way he is now. Somewhere along the way, he embraced the "slobby gamer who lives in a pile of trash" stereotype and he got fully captured by the "Angry White Gamer" crowd and when he streams his chat looks like a Trump rally.

That room of his is a FEMA declared disaster area. Gross person, gross in opinion, gross in living habits.

Maybe its all bait-y But mentioning Asmongolds name in anything makes my blood pressure shoot up.

Sepharo wrote on Sep 19, 2024, 06:10:

GHOB wrote on Sep 19, 2024, 05:45:
Get Woke, Go Broke.

12 posts in the past year and about 10 on this topic

I wish all voters used a politician's voting history as much as we have to use post history.

Fuck me gently with a chainsaw. When I started gaming AD&D back in the 80s I really wasn't dwelling on the moral ramifications of racism, violence, sexism, and all the other shite. I was just having fun with friends and looking for teh phat lewtz.

Prez wrote on Sep 19, 2024, 09:41:
I wonder what it says about gamers who own a vast library of Warhammer games and also games like "Her Story", "Gone Home", "Life is Strange", "Dustborn", etc as I do.

Oh wait... No I don't. I don't give a shit.

Yeah, I'm on the "Zero Fucks Given" train myself. I own a vast variety of games (though nothing on the order that you do). An enjoyable game is an enjoyable game. Unless something deeply resonates with me, it's all just entertainment.

I wonder what it says about gamers who own a vast library of Warhammer games and also games like "Her Story", "Gone Home", "Life is Strange", "Dustborn", etc as I do.

Oh wait... No I don't. I don't give a shit.

This article is just bait. There is nothing controversial about the developer's post, the only thing controversial is the original video (which again, the article gets wrong, is NOT Asmonogold's) and it is only controversial because it goes against the grain of what the mainstream gaming media thinks gaming should be about.

ZeroPike1 wrote on Sep 19, 2024, 06:37:
Probably a sock puppet account for somebody else here.

In it, the poster thanks youtuber Asmongold for the video

The moment this goober‘s name is mentioned anything that comes after in relation to the shit he spews out of his mouth, is automatically lacking in any merit whatsoever in my view.

Yeah, back when I played WoW more consistently I used to watch some of his videos and streams. He had some thoughtful opinions on the direction of the game and how things should be. He wasn't always the way he is now. Somewhere along the way, he embraced the "slobby gamer who lives in a pile of trash" stereotype and he got fully captured by the "Angry White Gamer" crowd and when he streams his chat looks like a Trump rally.

I want dumb warhammer games that take themselves super seriously. I've been a fan since shadow of the horned rat! I spent too much on minis and then gave them all away to younger relatives who then sold them for profit.
But nothing should be without criticism. And I would never want my library to be exclusively bro-shooter/slasher flavoured. 40K is insane and people should be able to write about how insane it is. The chuds that are so thinned skinned the mildest of milktoast criticism of a property which will change/add lore with the express purpose of making you buy a $140 demon or vehicle you already own a second time need to chill the fuck out. They don't have to buy Last of Us 2 or whatever the current brigade target of the month is if they are scared of lesbians, but the goal should always be for a variety of products so as many people find something to enjoy as possible and maybe something will come along that will actually surprise you.

Probably a sock puppet account for somebody else here.

In it, the poster thanks youtuber Asmongold for the video

The moment this goober‘s name is mentioned anything that comes after in relation to the shit he spews out of his mouth, is automatically lacking in any merit whatsoever in my view.

GHOB wrote on Sep 19, 2024, 05:45:
Get Woke, Go Broke.

12 posts in the past year and about 10 on this topic

Rock Paper Shotgun is not going to be around for long. Their views are way out of touch with the majority of the gaming player base. Gamers are tired of 'messaging' in their games, from both the left and the right.

I personally fully support what the Saber CEO wrote and am happy to spend money on their games if this is going to be their guiding philosophy. Make good games and leave the messaging to the idiots who want their projects to fail.

Get Woke, Go Broke.

NKD wrote on Sep 18, 2024, 22:40:
Wouldn't surprise me if he did. Gaming is full of people like this. And Warhammer 40k fandom even more so. A lot of disgusting mouthbreathing meatheads who think the Imperium is something to aspire to and get to thinly veil their real-life xenophobia in a guise of roleplay legitimacy.

Did you read the article? Or the post itself? I'm sure you are right there are a idiots in many fandoms, probably more so in Warhammer, where there is no "GOOD" faction. Apart from maybe the Tau, but even they are genocidal every now and again. But please, for the love of whatever you think is holy, don't paint with such a wide brush. It's unfair and wrong.

Mashiki Amiketo wrote on Sep 18, 2024, 21:50:

Prez wrote on Sep 18, 2024, 20:05:
I don't care. And really, neither should you. Are you here for the games, or the drama?

It's not drama when it degrades the quality of those games. It directly impacts your enjoyment.

And please tell us how his comments are in any way controversial? Because they are not, and if you don't like it, take the door to the right. The CEO don't need to address it, all this is a bait from Kotuku and IGN trying to bait him into an argument just so they can toot their fked up horns.

And to think, at one time I thought I was the weird one because I liked to kill shit in video games. When I matured a bit I realized that the only thing weird about it was that I didn't give it much thought. It feels like a lot of people do after reading the comments section on youtube. I guess I am not as deep a thinker as I like to err....think. (?)

(edited when I realized I didn't finish my thought before posting)