Zerg wrote on Sep 18, 2024, 12:51:
I'm mainly putting off upgrading my i7-8700K because I am confused by CPU naming schemes and cable management gives me nightmares.

Went from i7-8700 to 7800X3D, couldn't be happier with the purchase.

Well I always have felt that fate, Karma, God, whatever, offers you opportunities to do good deeds. It's up to us if we take that opportunity or piss it away when offered. An opportunity presented itself yesterday.

My pool guy, who I've gotten to know well, is a gamer. Very nice guy. He also helped my wife out a few months ago when she slipped and fell in the backyard (nothing serious, thankfully). He's a bit of a nerd like me, socially awkward as I was at his age (guessing late 20s). Lives with his Mom. We talk about computer games all the time. I didn't know what his hardware was like or his financial situation until yesterday. He plays on an old gaming laptop with a GTX1080 mobile, and it's not quite cutting it anymore. He's been getting into COD Cold War, but can't play it well on the laptop so he mostly plays on console, but like me hates playing FPS games on a console.

He was a bit bummed yesterday. He's been trying to save up to build a gaming PC, and had a deal lined up to buy a used RX6700 GPU, but the deal fell through. I said "I think I can help you with that". I went inside and grabbed my old EVGA FTW3 RTX 3080 off the shelf, that I had replaced with a 4090 last year. I had offered it to a few people, but no one I knew needed a card. When I handed it too him he freaked out, and thanked me profusely.

We got talking about his build. I gave him some suggestions. He told me he had an AMD x570 mobo, and a case, and was thinking about getting a 5800X3D CPU. I asked him "Will a 5800X suffice?". I had just upgraded my gaming PC's CPU to an X3D for Satisfactory, and I still had the old 5800 sitting on my desk. I handed that to him and he was overjoyed. He kept trying to offer me some money for them, but I refused. He gave me his Steam friend invite code.

I left him with my favorite Garrison Keillor quote:
“Be well, do good work, and keep in touch.”


This comment was edited on Sep 19, 2024, 11:06.

The curse of already having produced and sold great CPUs so that noone needs a new CPU with only minor improvements but in comparison much higher prices. Also, AMD has proven that X3D is the gamer CPU, so CPUs without the 3D cache won't get bought by the gamers.

I am glad I am not the only one that has wondered if AMD is just around to make Intel look good.

imo, 9800X3D will land at $525 USD, minimum

That places it between leaked Intel pricing, $625 USD for flagship Intel Core Ultra 9 285K, and $430 for Intel Core Ultra 7 265K.

But AMD has no idea how to set launch prices for Ryzen or Radeon, so I'm sure they'll screw up the 9800X3D launch as well (like $600 USD) and drive potential customers back to Intel.

After the Raptor Lake massacre, I was 100000000% ready to go AMD and then Zen 5 happened. What a clusterfuck of a disappointment.

And I'm not just talking the CPUs. I'm also talking about the delayed release of the "new" (not really) X870(E) boards. As if the delay wasn't bad enough, AMD completely fucked up the boards by enforcing USB 4.0 via CPU lanes.

Due to this genius idea by AMD, every X870(E) board has lane sharing to hell and back. It is completely ridiculous. You could gift me a X870(E) board and the only purpose I'd have for it would be to sell it on eBay. The boards are complete garbage thanks to AMD.

So, I guess I could have gone the X670E + 7800X3D route until the 9800X3D becomes available but meeeehhhhh. Buying a 2+ year old board doesn't exactly sound enticing. And the fucking 7800X3D is sold for scalper prices here in EU. You used to be able to buy them for €329 (including 19% VAT in my country) just a few months ago and now the price exploded to over €400 recently because people are currently buying 7800X3Ds instead of the lame-ass 9000 series CPUs.

I have no idea how AMD managed to fuck it up this bad. Did they receive money from Intel or something? With all the issues that Intel are facing at the moment, AMD could have hit the most epic home run in the history of home runs. They had a free penalty shot with no goalie and simply missed. There is unfathomable incompetence at work here.

Personally, I'm forced to stick with Intel against my will. I guess I have no choice but to buy an Arrow Lake system in November. At least those CPUs will be 100% made by TSMC so Intel can not fuck up too much (hopefully).

To AMD, all I have to say is: git gud ... then maybe some time in the future (Zen 6 or AM6) we shall meet again, but under the given circumstances, Zen 5 is not even an option for me. Easiest hard pass ever.

I'm waiting until the X3D variants are released and until Black Friday.

Intel's not even a consideration and won't be for at least two more upgrade cycles.

I don't know about you guys but if I'm looking to upgrade this time of year I usually just wait until Black Friday. I wonder if the broader market thinks the same way?

This comment was edited on Sep 19, 2024, 23:54.

I bought a 7600x less than a year ago, so...

CPU naming schemes have gotten terrible on both sides. Based on your current i7 I would recommend: 1) 7800X3D, 2) 9700X, 3) Upcoming Arrow Lake 265K. Avoid Intel 13th/14th gen.

Zerg wrote on Sep 18, 2024, 12:51:
I'm mainly putting off upgrading my i7-8700K because I am confused by CPU naming schemes and cable management gives me nightmares.

lol

Nullity wrote on Sep 18, 2024, 12:45:

AMD's new Ryzen 9000 CPUs are reportedly suffering the 'worst launch since Bulldozer' thanks to 'disastrous' sales - PC Gamer.

I'm waiting until the 9800X3D is released and I plan to upgrade my PC (mostly a new build). I'm suspecting most gamers who are planning to upgrade are doing the same. Perhaps AMD should start releasing them at the same time, or with a much shorter delay.

Microsoft reveals Windows 11 24H2 release date for all PCs. Is your system ready? - Neowin.

Oct 8

I'm mainly putting off upgrading my i7-8700K because I am confused by CPU naming schemes and cable management gives me nightmares.

Microsoft reveals Windows 11 24H2 release date for all PCs. Is your system ready? - Neowin.

Oct 8

AMD's new Ryzen 9000 CPUs are reportedly suffering the 'worst launch since Bulldozer' thanks to 'disastrous' sales - PC Gamer.

I'm waiting until the 9800X3D is released and I plan to upgrade my PC (mostly a new build). I'm suspecting most gamers who are planning to upgrade are doing the same. Perhaps AMD should start releasing them at the same time, or with a much shorter delay.

That said, this paragraph also sums it up:

Like we said, Zen is not a disaster architecturally. It's not massively broken requiring widespread RMAs (eh, Intel?). In fact, it's definitively a bit better than its predecessor. But it's not a huge step forward and that makes it rather poor value for existing users.