You mean like the free speech TikTok practices in China?

Seriously 230 belongs in the wastebasket of history as one of the worst mistakes ever. We do just fine using publishers who are liable for what they disseminate.

Also important to note that just because TikTok is saying it's a free speech issue, doesn't mean it IS a free speech issue. It actually has nothing to do with it as it's just a gaslighting attempt to shift the narrative. They are taking a page out of Elon Musk's playbook with how he, "manages" Shitter and have even threatened lawsuits as well.

1badmf wrote on Sep 17, 2024, 21:50:
i believe it's a little more nuanced than most of you think. should the government be able to ban any company who's product it doesn't like. i think that's for sure a free speech issue.

that said, the constitution has never been unlimited. if they can prove that tiktok is a real danger then yes, ban them. the bill of rights has always stopped before the pillar of public safety.

National security absolutely trumps free speech in a case such as this. I have argued previously that the government has to make a legal case proving a considerable national security risk. When the company is using a Chinese-made algorithm that is a very big red flag at the very least. Propaganda warfare has been a very important tactic since at least the First World War. Both the East and West spent a very large amount of resources (and in some cases lives) during the Cold War on propaganda supporting their respective sides. The burden of proof does lay with the government to prove a legitimate security risk exists because TikTok filed a suit so this isn't just a case of the government banning a company because they don't like them. I for one think that TikTok should absolutely be banned, but that's my opinion. A US company trying to operate in China certainly can't avail themselves of a right to free speech there.

i believe it's a little more nuanced than most of you think. should the government be able to ban any company who's product it doesn't like. i think that's for sure a free speech issue.

that said, the constitution has never been unlimited. if they can prove that tiktok is a real danger then yes, ban them. the bill of rights has always stopped before the pillar of public safety.

jdreyer wrote on Sep 17, 2024, 20:17:
People would have to migrate to YouTube Shorts. The horror of that eventuality is more horrific to contemplate.

I've watched a YT short. I've never watched a TikTok video.

I have mixed feelings on the subject. There is all this talk about all the information being gathered... As opposed to all the information being collected by every other fucking thing on the internet? As far as influencing elections, we already have plenty of social media busy doing that, does another one matter? Yeah, okay -- it is a Chinese owned company, which effectively means it could be controlled by the Chinese government. So? Russia didn't need to own a social media company to (at least attempt) influence elections in several western countries. Frankly, I wouldn't mind if they shutdown FB, X, Instagram, YT, all that nonsense.

Oh and get off my lawn.

People would have to migrate to YouTube Shorts. The horror of that eventuality is more horrific to contemplate.

Prez wrote on Sep 17, 2024, 15:07:
Free speech might be the most misunderstood concept concerning the rights of the average citizen. With constant bullshit like this and the garbage Musk spews on Xitter, it's not hard to see why.

Maybe less about not knowing the right, but about how it applies in a business context. Seems that people just assume it applies to private institutions the same as it does public ones

A Chinese company insisting on free speech? This is unintentionally funny!

JFC, TT should be banned just for trying to present this as a free speech issue. If TT isn't a stooge of the CCP than it should have no problem at all with divesting and leaving China.

That Musk fine should be $666,666.00.

Free speech might be the most misunderstood concept concerning the rights of the average citizen. With constant bullshit like this and the garbage Musk spews on Xitter, it's not hard to see why.

just like Russia says US ban of RT on Meta/FB/Instagram has ‘staggering’ impact on free speech.

Seen their version of Freeze Peach, nothing will be missing from my life if they go away.

TikTok says US ban would have ‘staggering’ impact on free speech

Yes, because Free Speech was not a concept until social media showed up. Please, like TikTok all you want, but don't believe this utter idiocy.

TikTok translation:

"We'd lose so much money harvesting user data and selling it. That and our Chinese overlords wouldn't be able to push misnformation! WAAAAAAH!"