MoreLuckThanSkill wrote on Sep 10, 2024, 13:55:

Prez wrote on Sep 10, 2024, 11:05:

Flo wrote on Sep 10, 2024, 07:26:
So about the actual game: I did not realize that it's designed as Coop-first so you get bots in single player mode and it does not feel as organic as a pure solo campaign. For example you always get the same set of objectives i.e. kill waves, defend stuff rinse and repeat. Still, the presentation and the brutal combat make me come back despite all that

That was my initial reaction as well. I've since changed my mind that a Space Marine being sent in alone is maybe a bit counterintuitive to the lore. Space Marines tend to operate in groups. The biggest concern that I have is the quality of the AI, seeing as how I would be playing it predominantly singleplayer.

The bot AI for your Space Marine teammates is... not great. Either they need a Mass Effect style system where you can give orders, or they need a priority target list that can be set in/out of combat, or they just need to be programmed to target certain insanely dangerous enemies first. The bot AI fails utterly in big swarms which also have a few high priority targets in them, like flying buffers, or snipers, or any sort of high damage melee Tyranid tank, etc.

It also is really apparent that it did not get coded correctly vs certain Tyranid enemy types, aka the little rat guys, who can only really be fought off with the flamethrower, meanwhile the bots completely ignore bigger enemies like regular swarmers and above. The bot AI will keep futilely trying to shoot the little rat enemies and literally ignore the minibosses or whatever that are chomping on them or you.

Also the missions where you have to defend a radio tower, or chain, or whatever piece of stationary hitpoints, the AI marines randomly shoot trash, while you have to kill special enemies AND clear off the mechanisms of the tons of swarming fliers. Add in the mag limits, and these become the missions it's easiest to fail, purely due to reloading and dodging.

A lot of these problems would be solved if they gave us reloadable Heavy Bolters. Bot AI sucks? Who cares, I am shooting full auto heavy bolter streams at the entire map. Got to clear a structure? No problem, let me full auto these couple of tanks, then full auto the sides of the building in about 2 seconds.

I don't see them improving the AI anytime soon, and it's really apparent at Veteran difficulty and above that the AI chokes on the number of enemies on screen.

I finished the game on 2nd hardest difficulty. Bots are pretty crap but still do what they need to. These are all valid complaints. Game was definitely made to play with friends single players for sure.

now that I'm around 24 hours into it with 12 hours of operations it's glaringly obvious that the worse part of the game is actually the matchmaking. it's horribly bad.

-Quick match drops you into lobbies where people are fucking around in the armory and not running games already
-If you don't get a person within the first minute you aren't getting anymore people join.
-You can't launch a game if you're both the same class, you have to teleport to armory to change class then teleport bakc tot he launch pad. This should never happen and should be replaced by a select class at mission start with the host having priority.
-If you lose someone within 3 minutes to a crash or quit you are now having a bot that will make the game much slower because they just don't deal any DPS.
-If you get downed too many times with bots the respawn timer of 60 seconds just fails and you lose the mission. Which is stupid as fuck.

They need to overhaul the matchmaking so quick match will drop you into ANY game that has space even if it's at the end.

I imagine these will be a priority patch coming up in the next month.

Also the missions where you have to defend a radio tower, or chain, or whatever piece of stationary hitpoints, the AI marines randomly shoot trash, while you have to kill special enemies AND clear off the mechanisms of the tons of swarming fliers. Add in the mag limits, and these become the missions it's easiest to fail, purely due to reloading and dodging.

I cursed so much....

Prez wrote on Sep 10, 2024, 11:05:

Flo wrote on Sep 10, 2024, 07:26:
So about the actual game: I did not realize that it's designed as Coop-first so you get bots in single player mode and it does not feel as organic as a pure solo campaign. For example you always get the same set of objectives i.e. kill waves, defend stuff rinse and repeat. Still, the presentation and the brutal combat make me come back despite all that

That was my initial reaction as well. I've since changed my mind that a Space Marine being sent in alone is maybe a bit counterintuitive to the lore. Space Marines tend to operate in groups. The biggest concern that I have is the quality of the AI, seeing as how I would be playing it predominantly singleplayer.

The bot AI for your Space Marine teammates is... not great. Either they need a Mass Effect style system where you can give orders, or they need a priority target list that can be set in/out of combat, or they just need to be programmed to target certain insanely dangerous enemies first. The bot AI fails utterly in big swarms which also have a few high priority targets in them, like flying buffers, or snipers, or any sort of high damage melee Tyranid tank, etc.

It also is really apparent that it did not get coded correctly vs certain Tyranid enemy types, aka the little rat guys, who can only really be fought off with the flamethrower, meanwhile the bots completely ignore bigger enemies like regular swarmers and above. The bot AI will keep futilely trying to shoot the little rat enemies and literally ignore the minibosses or whatever that are chomping on them or you.

Also the missions where you have to defend a radio tower, or chain, or whatever piece of stationary hitpoints, the AI marines randomly shoot trash, while you have to kill special enemies AND clear off the mechanisms of the tons of swarming fliers. Add in the mag limits, and these become the missions it's easiest to fail, purely due to reloading and dodging.

A lot of these problems would be solved if they gave us reloadable Heavy Bolters. Bot AI sucks? Who cares, I am shooting full auto heavy bolter streams at the entire map. Got to clear a structure? No problem, let me full auto these couple of tanks, then full auto the sides of the building in about 2 seconds.

I don't see them improving the AI anytime soon, and it's really apparent at Veteran difficulty and above that the AI chokes on the number of enemies on screen.

Flo wrote on Sep 10, 2024, 07:26:
So about the actual game: I did not realize that it's designed as Coop-first so you get bots in single player mode and it does not feel as organic as a pure solo campaign. For example you always get the same set of objectives i.e. kill waves, defend stuff rinse and repeat. Still, the presentation and the brutal combat make me come back despite all that

That was my initial reaction as well. I've since changed my mind that a Space Marine being sent in alone is maybe a bit counterintuitive to the lore. Space Marines tend to operate in groups. The biggest concern that I have is the quality of the AI, seeing as how I would be playing it predominantly singleplayer.

Cutter wrote on Sep 9, 2024, 18:10:

Darks wrote on Sep 9, 2024, 15:39:
Trust me, your not buying the game is not going to change a thing. In fact, the studio already got their money to develop the game. Its Focus who is colleting the sales on this, Not Saber. So, holding out is not going to change anything.

Boycotts absolutely work - if they have sufficient momentum. Boycotts were what ended apartheid in South Africa - even though the Reagan Junta openly supported apartheid. And sadly, Putin enjoys wide support in Russia, though that will fall if Ukraine can continue to take the fight to them. And it's not as easy as just saying, 'Leave and go somewhere else.' Just because people stay and work in a place like Russia doesn't mean they're for what's happening anymore than the average German was with the Nazi party. It's dangerous not to go along or to speak out against the powers that be. There are many reasons people must stay in a place they'd rather not. Still, the sooner things become untenable for the average Rooskie, the sooner they'll cast the tyrant down and be free - of at least that tyrant. Focus should absolutely be punished for doing business in Russia, unless you're pro-fascist.

Remember what the Scorps said...."Take me to the magic of the moment on a glory night, where the children of tomorrow dream away...in the wind of change....

If boycotts didn't work there wouldn't be laws enacted or attempting to be ennacted that punish entities for participating in them.

I wasn't going to full price this sucker anyway, now I'll tell myself that I'm supporting Ukraine with something more than drunk tweets but not purchasing it like a proper online activist! Though it looks awesome. I've gotta clear my calender for Satisfactory 1.0 and Factorio 2.0. (Made in jursdictions where tax money is spent on defending Ukraine, Yay!),

So about the actual game: I did not realize that it's designed as Coop-first so you get bots in single player mode and it does not feel as organic as a pure solo campaign. For example you always get the same set of objectives i.e. kill waves, defend stuff rinse and repeat. Still, the presentation and the brutal combat make me come back despite all that

KataSteel wrote on Sep 9, 2024, 19:00:
The whole game is letterboxed not just cutscenes. I would wait if you can and see how well it is implemented.
Turns my 38 inch monitor into like a 30 inch, lol.

https://www.pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/Warhammer_40,000:_Space_Marine_II
That will show you how to get rid of the letterboxing in cutscenes.

In reality, everyone has a few less inches than they think they have.

The whole game is letterboxed not just cutscenes. I would wait if you can and see how well it is implemented.
Turns my 38 inch monitor into like a 30 inch, lol.

As Prez said, "to thine own self be true" more or less. I need more info before making a political decision about it.

RougeSix is correct, IMO (based on ISW and many other sources) that a significant part of Russia, and probably a significant majority supports the war. Perhaps they've been misled, perhaps some are bullied, but it's true as far as we can tell. LIke many countries/peoples before, beating up some "others" feels great, especially if it doesn't really personally cost you anything. This certainly seems to be portrayed as a war against the "trans" agenda and many other Western decadences - any surprise an ignorant/poorly educated population believes something that makes it feel good, when few in Moscow/St. Petersburg feel any direct pain?

Anyone playing it on Ultrawide? It sounds like they're going to add support for it in a couple weeks. Wondering if it's just letterboxed right now. I know there's a mod out for it, but would rather wait or just play it as is.

Darks wrote on Sep 9, 2024, 15:39:
Trust me, your not buying the game is not going to change a thing. In fact, the studio already got their money to develop the game. Its Focus who is colleting the sales on this, Not Saber. So, holding out is not going to change anything.

Boycotts absolutely work - if they have sufficient momentum. Boycotts were what ended apartheid in South Africa - even though the Reagan Junta openly supported apartheid. And sadly, Putin enjoys wide support in Russia, though that will fall if Ukraine can continue to take the fight to them. And it's not as easy as just saying, 'Leave and go somewhere else.' Just because people stay and work in a place like Russia doesn't mean they're for what's happening anymore than the average German was with the Nazi party. It's dangerous not to go along or to speak out against the powers that be. There are many reasons people must stay in a place they'd rather not. Still, the sooner things become untenable for the average Rooskie, the sooner they'll cast the tyrant down and be free - of at least that tyrant. Focus should absolutely be punished for doing business in Russia, unless you're pro-fascist.

Remember what the Scorps said...."Take me to the magic of the moment on a glory night, where the children of tomorrow dream away...in the wind of change....

Darks wrote on Sep 9, 2024, 14:12:
Most Russians despise the war and don't support it.

This is not true at all by the way but pure wishful thinking.

The most recent polls by the Levada Institute which is the only "independent" institute of its kind in Russia show that 78% of Russians support the aggression war on Ukraine.

This number has been consistently high since the invasion and the only times support has crumbled (slightly) was when Russians were directly affected by the war, namely when Putin drafted more troops last year and as a reaction to the Kursk invasion by Ukrainian troops. The Russians don't want the war in their own country.

The vast majority of Russians do not give a shit about Russian bombs/missiles on schools, hospitals, kindergartens, apartment blocks, markets, civilians or about Russian troops raping women or abducting children. They only care (a little) when their own lives are affected negatively. That's the very sad and regrettable state of affairs...

Whoa, impressive. From a drunk guy who needs to git gud to a discussion about supporting genocide (or not) in less than ten posts. Y'all are on fire and it's only Monday, too!

Strawman. He never said that he expected to do anything but honor his own principles. He is smart enough to know what you said already. I hate this argument. It's condescending.

MoreLuckThanSkill wrote on Sep 9, 2024, 15:05:

Prez wrote on Sep 9, 2024, 14:45:
You know, it is okay to not give a single solitary fuck about where the devs might live or how they spend their money. You are not in fact supporting anything or making any statement other than "hmm, this game looks cool. I'm going to buy this game". You don't in fact need to justify what you buy or be judged for it. I sometimes feel the need to say that because I wonder if people know that not everything is a crusade or a cause or says anything about you as a person.

I get what you're saying, but I'm really not trying to contribute financially to any ongoing genocides, if I can avoid it.

Trust me, your not buying the game is not going to change a thing. In fact, the studio already got their money to develop the game. Its Focus who is colleting the sales on this, Not Saber.

So, holding out is not going to change anything.

You're exercising your right as a consumer. I applaud that. My message is to those who had to suffer being told that they support transphobia because they bought 'Hogwarts Legacy' or support murdering civilians because they bought 'Atomic Heart'. You do you, and let everyone else decide how to do them.

Prez wrote on Sep 9, 2024, 14:45:
You know, it is okay to not give a single solitary fuck about where the devs might live or how they spend their money. You are not in fact supporting anything or making any statement other than "hmm, this game looks cool. I'm going to buy this game". You don't in fact need to justify what you buy or be judged for it. I sometimes feel the need to say that because I wonder if people know that not everything is a crusade or a cause or says anything about you as a person.

I get what you're saying, but I'm really not trying to contribute financially to any ongoing genocides, if I can avoid it.

You know, it is okay to not give a single solitary fuck about where the devs might live or how they spend their money. You are not in fact supporting anything or making any statement other than "hmm, this game looks cool. I'm going to buy this game". You don't in fact need to justify what you buy or be judged for it. I sometimes feel the need to say that because I wonder if people know that not everything is a crusade or a cause or says anything about you as a person.

MoreLuckThanSkill wrote on Sep 9, 2024, 13:41:

animal wrote on Sep 9, 2024, 13:30:
more like Warhammer 40,000: Cosmic Comrade 2

https://x.com/Waggle_ua/status/1822221835154423969

Oh god dammit.

Don't buy into this bullshit, the guys argument is, some of the devs live in Russia and pay taxes . So in his fked up mind they are willingly supporting the war. That's such a bullshit argument and has no relevance at all.

Every one of us pay taxes. its not the tax payers who are bad, its the governments that use those taxes in the wrong doings. That does not make these devs bad people.

Most Russians despise the war and don't support it.