Midnight wrote on Aug 11, 2024, 02:13:
From the article:

Schreier said he didn’t feel the Bungie fanbase would be enthusiastic about a PvP extraction shooter

^ bit of an understatement there. I loved the Marathon Trilogy back in the 90s. When I heard that Bungie was making a new Marathon game I was excited for approximately 3 seconds until I realised what they were doing with it.

Bungie's old-school fans don't want to see Marathon as an extraction shooter, and their new fans don't know or care about the Marathon setting. It's a lose-lose scenario.

Same boat. I never really played them, I was more into the original Halo games, but I read a lot about the story in the Marathon games which really intrigued me.

So when they announced a return to the franchise I was genuinely interested, up until the reveal that they were dredging up their revered IP only to use it's name as cred for yet another extraction shooter.

From the article:

Schreier said he didn’t feel the Bungie fanbase would be enthusiastic about a PvP extraction shooter

^ bit of an understatement there. I loved the Marathon Trilogy back in the 90s. When I heard that Bungie was making a new Marathon game I was excited for approximately 3 seconds until I realised what they were doing with it.

Bungie's old-school fans don't want to see Marathon as an extraction shooter, and their new fans don't know or care about the Marathon setting. It's a lose-lose scenario.

I'm not sure why anyone signed off on bringing Marathon back as an extraction shooter. Going by a chunk of the commentary I saw when they revealed it a lot of other people wondered the same. When you've got a successful franchise that's effectively games as a service turning another franchise into the same type of thing is generally a recipe for failure.

Xeth Nyrrow wrote on Aug 10, 2024, 15:28:
I wonder if Embark is going to reverse course on ARC Raiders and go back to the PvE only as i feel they were also trying to jump on the PvPvE extraction bandwagon way too late too.

When I saw the reveal for this my first thought was "oh is a western dev doing an EDF style game?" until I saw the PvPvE/extraction part of the announcement and immediately lost all interest. Hopefully they do opt to pivot as the concept certainly seems sound.

I can't see this game having any chance at being successful. Looking at how hard Concord flopped in its recent test even though it's more of an Overwatch clone, I think we can see the market doesn't want new IPs for these games. I wonder if Embark is going to reverse course on ARC Raiders and go back to the PvE only as i feel they were also trying to jump on the PvPvE extraction bandwagon way too late too.