Prez wrote on Aug 5, 2024, 09:34:
Speaking of BIOS updates, I read that one way to greatly minimize failures on Intel CPU's was to flash my BIOS. I haven't done a BIOS update in many years and I remember being nervous as shit the last time I did it. Can anyone confirm that 1) this will help and 2) I'm just silly for being nervous about it?

I have a newer ASUS board if that helps...

I can confirm it will help and silly about being nervous because I encountered such a scenario. Both the BIOS update failed, and recovered.

RedEye9 wrote on Aug 4, 2024, 12:26:
That JayzTwoCents video is one of the weirdest things I’ve ever watched, verging on painful.
No benchmarks, chooses a video card because it has 9 in it, whines about an AMD system not hitting unsupported DDR5 6000 when the only spec he required of the memory was that it was white to match the case (while some of the other components aren’t white. ).
And many many more.

Its mind boggling that he has over 4 million subscribers.

He has always been an asshole. It's nothing new.

Gamer Nexus is probably one of the few were you'll get hard data and not just "flare"

Thanks. I found a program that monitors CPU voltages in realtime. Being paranoid I stared at it for like an hour this morning and it never got above 1.37 volts. I'm hearing that voltages in excess of 1.5v are the problem. My suspicion is that when I am not watching it and doing something other than just idling is when it is likeliest to be a concern, but truthfully I have no idea, I am just guessing.

Prez wrote on Aug 5, 2024, 09:34:
Speaking of BIOS updates, I read that one way to greatly minimize failures on Intel CPU's was to flash my BIOS. I haven't done a BIOS update in many years and I remember being nervous as shit the last time I did it. Can anyone confirm that 1) this will help and 2) I'm just silly for being nervous about it?

I have a newer ASUS board if that helps...

Newer boards, especially Asus, have dual BIOS. If the update fails, it falls back to the old version.

There are several ways to do the update: A Windows installer, from the BIOS menu with the update on a flash drive, or there's usually a way to do it on the higher end board from a USB slot (even without a CPU installed) and pressing a button on the mobo while turning on the power.

ASUS How to update BIOS of the motherboard FAQ:
https://www.asus.com/support/faq/1044348/

Prez wrote on Aug 5, 2024, 09:34:
Speaking of BIOS updates, I read that one way to greatly minimize failures on Intel CPU's was to flash my BIOS. I haven't done a BIOS update in many years and I remember being nervous as shit the last time I did it. Can anyone confirm that 1) this will help and 2) I'm just silly for being nervous about it?

Bios update failures are a thing of the past.
But I still would not do one during a thunder storm.

Speaking of BIOS updates, I read that one way to greatly minimize failures on Intel CPU's was to flash my BIOS. I haven't done a BIOS update in many years and I remember being nervous as shit the last time I did it. Can anyone confirm that 1) this will help and 2) I'm just silly for being nervous about it?

I have a newer ASUS board if that helps...

Simon Says wrote on Aug 4, 2024, 23:46:
Reminds me of the experience I had with an Athlon XP way back. Piece of cake.

Same with the pair of Athlon MPs I had in a Tyan Tiger S2460. Even with a SCSI card and 4GB of ECC DDR. Just came up on the first boot after getting all my parts and jumpers sorted. Though I did have to get a floppy (yes, an actual floppy) from AMD with a BIOS update since easy BIOS updates weren't a thing back then.

RedEye9 wrote on Aug 4, 2024, 20:51:
There is only one thing that's for sure.
If you need a new cpu, Do Not Buy Intel until they figure out what is going on.
And then wait 6 months.
Or just buy AMD today.

You can't go wrong with AM5 atm, it had its early teething pains about a year ago, but they're long gone.

I heartily recommend without any hesitations the AM5 platform now that it's mature.

With the upgrade I made from i7-8700 to 7800X3D, I took all the same precautions I usually take with a new Intel system ( RAM QVL mobo check before buying, day 1 bios update before installing OS ) and it all went without a hitch.

Reminds me of the experience I had with an Athlon XP way back. Piece of cake.

Riahderymnmaddog wrote on Aug 4, 2024, 16:03:
I am still using this six, almost seven year old i9 7960X, with 64GB ram, and well now a 4090ti. I want to upgrade, but to wut? more and more it's looking like AMD... Like I am still getting 50-60 fps at max settings 4k on the new new.. Older games with 100 optimization patches. 90-120 fps.. IG,Fallout 4, Redfall, CP2077, Ghost Recon, Starfield, shit like that...

If you're still getting 60fps at native resolution at 4K at max settings, you still got lots of life out of that processor. For one, you don't always have to set everything to max, a lot of settings in games can be set to lower for more performance for very little loss in actually perceptible quality. And beyond that, upscaling can help if your CPU is struggling, FSR and DLSS are very good, especially at 4K resolutions.

And then there's always overclocking to squeeze that extra oomph out of it in it's later life, there should be lots of guides for that chip, and overclocking is a lot easier and safer these days.

There is only one thing that's for sure.
If you need a new cpu, Do Not Buy Intel until they figure out what is going on.
And then wait 6 months.
Or just buy AMD today.

Cutter wrote on Aug 4, 2024, 15:02:

AI Music Generator Suno Admits It Was Trained on ‘Essentially All Music Files on the Internet’

And? Guess how people learn music. Including professionals who make a living from it. It's learning about musical style - there's nothing illegal in that.

Rather than trying to argue that Suno was not trained on copyrighted songs, the company is instead making a Fair Use argument to say that the law should allow for AI training on copyrighted works without permission or compensation.

And they're right. Artists innovate on what's come before. There's nothing new under the sun.

I'm a bit conflicted here, on one hand, I've used Suno to create songs that detailed events for my D&D group as the party's bard, which I would argue are creative and a fair use of such AI generators.

On the other hand, some people DO use these generators to create music that recreates specific artists voices, Like Swift singing about Fortnite, which I do think they have legal argument against, though one could argue that's fair use and parody as well.

Sucks that all of these models rely on processing power that is above the average user, a model that was just as good and could be trained at home would be amazing and very hard to legalize out of existence.

Absolutely don't believe this, especially when we know that ALL 13th and 14th generation CPUs that run above 65W (So basically all desktop CPUs) are affected by their voltage issues, and that issue WILL cause irreperable damage over time, regardless of whether you're overclocking or not. So there is something definitely fishy about what they consider to be a "failure rate". There's going to be a LOT of people in the coming years suddenly having weird problems with their computers once their CPUs start dying too.

Personally, I bought a 13600KF and it ran fine for about a year, but now I am too getting weird instability issues and crashes. I didn't even overclock it, but I did have to lower the power limits because by default the chip wants to suck as much voltage as it can before reaching 100c (I don't watercool, but my aircooler is rather large, so that really prompted some concern in me.)

But anyways, I'm going to ask for an RMA, because even with Intel's diagnostic tool it crashes with a BSOD after a few minutes.

Riahderymnmaddog wrote on Aug 4, 2024, 16:03:
I want to upgrade, but to wut?

Just wait until you find a game you really want to play that actually requires something better. Also doesn't hurt to take the patient gamer approach of waiting for sales, patches, and reviews before getting a new game.

FloorPie wrote on Aug 4, 2024, 15:14:

RedEye9 wrote on Aug 4, 2024, 12:26:
That JayzTwoCents video is one of the weirdest things I’ve ever watched, verging on painful.
No benchmarks, chooses a video card because it has 9 in it, whines about an AMD system not hitting unsupported DDR5 6000 when the only spec he required of the memory was that it was white to match the case (while some of the other components aren’t white. ).
And many many more.

Its mind boggling that he has over 4 million subscribers.

Thats typical Jayz2cents. Its his brand, persona or whatever. Idiot goof savant. I think I remember him making a video or two about the ram speed issues with 13th gen Intel (maybe even 12th) but I also think he was one of the tech-tubers and enthusiasts making a big deal about how Intel could hit 7-8000mhz ram speeds and be stable but AMD was stuck at 6000. Nevermind it cost more to go that route and it probably wasn't worth the effort or cash for the faster ram.

The last couple of Intel and AMD cpu generations, ram has been an issue all around. I have a ryzen board from 2019 that cant auto detect and run ddr4 3000 at stock speeds that is from 2018 with a 3700x model cpu. Runs it at 2666mhz by default.

I feel Jayz2cents tho, I am still using this six, almost seven year old i9 7960X, with 64GB ram, and well now a 4090ti. I want to upgrade, but to wut? more and more it's looking like AMD... Like I am still getting 50-60 fps at max settings 4k on the new new.. Older games with 100 optimization patches. 90-120 fps.. IG,Fallout 4, Redfall, CP2077, Ghost Recon, Starfield, shit like that...

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RedEye9 wrote on Aug 4, 2024, 12:26:
That JayzTwoCents video is one of the weirdest things I’ve ever watched, verging on painful.
No benchmarks, chooses a video card because it has 9 in it, whines about an AMD system not hitting unsupported DDR5 6000 when the only spec he required of the memory was that it was white to match the case (while some of the other components aren’t white. ).
And many many more.

Its mind boggling that he has over 4 million subscribers.

Thats typical Jayz2cents. Its his brand, persona or whatever. Idiot goof savant. I think I remember him making a video or two about the ram speed issues with 13th gen Intel (maybe even 12th) but I also think he was one of the tech-tubers and enthusiasts making a big deal about how Intel could hit 7-8000mhz ram speeds and be stable but AMD was stuck at 6000. Nevermind it cost more to go that route and it probably wasn't worth the effort or cash for the faster ram.

The last couple of Intel and AMD cpu generations, ram has been an issue all around. I have a ryzen board from 2019 that cant auto detect and run ddr4 3000 at stock speeds that is from 2018 with a 3700x model cpu. Runs it at 2666mhz by default.

AI Music Generator Suno Admits It Was Trained on ‘Essentially All Music Files on the Internet’

And? Guess how people learn music. Including professionals who make a living from it. It's learning about musical style - there's nothing illegal in that.

Rather than trying to argue that Suno was not trained on copyrighted songs, the company is instead making a Fair Use argument to say that the law should allow for AI training on copyrighted works without permission or compensation.

And they're right. Artists innovate on what's come before. There's nothing new under the sun.

Intel just might be F***ed - Paul's Hardware

I'm not a tech guy. You start talking about that stuff and all I hear is something about the girdle spring in the Retroencabulator. But for tech shows for guys like me, THIS is the way to deliver tech news. Fantastic!

I'm gonna guess that Jay will do a second video with benchmarks, but yeah that was bit weird. But then again, that's his workstation, and he has always done things just for the lulz.

RedEye9 wrote on Aug 4, 2024, 12:26:
That JayzTwoCents video is one of the weirdest things I’ve ever watched, verging on painful.
No benchmarks, chooses a video card because it has 9 in it, whines about an AMD system not hitting unsupported DDR5 6000 when the only spec he required of the memory was that it was white to match the case (while some of the other components aren’t white. ).
And many many more.

Its mind boggling that he has over 4 million subscribers.

When he chose the RAM just based on color and "I feel like it" I just facepalmed.

- You need to check the Mobo QVL list.
- Is it Hynix A-Die? Because that's highly preferable on AM5.
- Is it explicitly EXPO compatible?

No wonder everyone else has no issues whatsoever hitting 6000 while he struggles like an idiot and then whines about "AMD bad".

*****
*****

"Puget says its Intel CPU failure rate is lower than AMD Ryzen failures - Tom's Hardware."

Pro Intel Puget strikes again!

On a scale of normal to Userbenchmark, they're strangely closer to UB than normal. At least they're not explicitly anti-AMD like UB.

Still this thing... it clearly reeks of bias. One more reason why I don't trust them as far as CPUs are concerned, they're too close to Intel.

So that’s why Puget extended its Intel system warranty to three years.

There’s lies, damn lies and Headlines.
,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,

In other words
Intel just might be F***ed

This comment was edited on Aug 4, 2024, 14:53.