Cutter wrote on Jul 31, 2024, 22:34:
If you're so concerned why don't you and your fellow liberals pay for it in that case? No? I didn't think so. Virtue signaling is cheap. Action costs money. Far easier to castigate other people who are tired of having their pockets picked for entitlement programs than pay for it yourself. Why don't you house the homeless while you're at it? No again? Subsidize minimum wage workers with a living wage? No yet again? Wow, it's like a pattern is emerging here

Why is it that your takes are almost universally wrong and ill informed?

Let's start with broadband. There have been several attempts to start municipal broadband. Studies have shown that it is often less expensive, faster, and more reliable. Yet it is constantly being blocked due to the efforts of lobbying by ISPs. Who does the blocking? Overwhelmingly it is Republicans.Gotta have those bribes "donations". Where municipal broadband does work? Largely Democrat run municipalities.

Housing the homeless should damn well be a community/local government program. When you house the homeless and combine it with paths to recovery and job training, petty crimes go down, the local economy improves, and more importantly, you restore the dignity and humanity to people. It annoys me that I, as a staunch misanthrope, have to explain to you the value of other human beings.

As for wages, if wages had kept up with productivity, the minimum wage would be between $20-$25 dollars per hour. But, no, the US turned in to a corporatocracy and the government fell in line with the idea that corporations and the wealthy are more important than anyone else. Ever. At all times.If we taxed the wealthy and corporations commiserate with their grosses, there would be an absolute fuckton of money to improve the services and lives of every American. We could easily afford single payer healthcare, free college tuition, and far better infrastructure than we currently have. Like night and day better.

Do you know who suffers most from taxation? The vanishingly small middle class and poor. By ratio, they pay exorbitantly more in taxes than corporations and the wealthy yet benefit the least. That should piss you off since you care more about your wallet than the quality of your life. Yes, even though you live in Canada. Canada has the same problem as the US with shifting the tax burden downward.

Cutter wrote on Jul 31, 2024, 22:34:

ldonyo wrote on Jul 31, 2024, 14:38:
Republicans don't want informed poor people because informed poor people don't vote Republican. Republicans are still working on keeping the poor from voting at all and this is just the first step.

If you're so concerned why don't you and your fellow liberals pay for it in that case? No? I didn't think so. Virtue signaling is cheap. Action costs money. Far easier to castigate other people who are tired of having their pockets picked for entitlement programs than pay for it yourself. Why don't you house the homeless while you're at it? No again? Subsidize minimum wage workers with a living wage? No yet again? Wow, it's like a pattern is emerging here

That's not the way taxes work. It isn't opt-in/opt-out. So pacifists have their taxes used to pay for the military (the single largest discretionary spending in the federal budegt - about half of all discretionary spending). Wealthy people have their taxes used to pay for Medicaid and Medicare which they almost certainly have no need for. People who have never had occasion to use a park, enter a library, or require police or fire services have their taxes used to pay for those programs. Childless workers have their taxes used to pay for public education. Environmentalists have their taxes used to pay for subsidies to the oil & gas industry. Meat-and-potato lovers have their taxes used to pay for soybean subsidies and people who hate corn have their taxes used to fund corn subsidies.

It's all very equal. Everyone gets a chance to bitch about how their taxes are being (mis)used to pay for something they don't like. And because of subsidies to the dairy industry they can buy some affordable cheese to go with their whine.

Cutter wrote on Jul 31, 2024, 22:34:

ldonyo wrote on Jul 31, 2024, 14:38:
Republicans don't want informed poor people because informed poor people don't vote Republican. Republicans are still working on keeping the poor from voting at all and this is just the first step.

If you're so concerned why don't you and your fellow liberals pay for it in that case? No? I didn't think so. Virtue signaling is cheap. Action costs money. Far easier to castigate other people who are tired of having their pockets picked for entitlement programs than pay for it yourself. Why don't you house the homeless while you're at it? No again? Subsidize minimum wage workers with a living wage? No yet again? Wow, it's like a pattern is emerging here

Do you mean individually? Like, why isn't he paying for the homeless himself?

Because liberals in Congress have been trying to do these things. Maybe you don't understand how our federal government works, despite having such strong opinions on it?

You seem to love entitlements when they suit you.

ldonyo wrote on Jul 31, 2024, 14:38:
Republicans don't want informed poor people because informed poor people don't vote Republican. Republicans are still working on keeping the poor from voting at all and this is just the first step.

If you're so concerned why don't you and your fellow liberals pay for it in that case? No? I didn't think so. Virtue signaling is cheap. Action costs money. Far easier to castigate other people who are tired of having their pockets picked for entitlement programs than pay for it yourself. Why don't you house the homeless while you're at it? No again? Subsidize minimum wage workers with a living wage? No yet again? Wow, it's like a pattern is emerging here

Doesn't matter, if you cant afford the internet you probably can't afford to read WIRED either. No real loss, i guess. On the bright side the CEO's will get a bonus for cutting cost and all the extra money they will earn when the poor's go over their data cap on their cell phones looking for jobs.

RedEye9 wrote on Jul 31, 2024, 15:22:

“ Most people just use their phone for 90% of their internet usage “

source?

His ass.

“ Most people just use their phone for 90% of their internet usage “

source?

Earlyworm wrote on Jul 31, 2024, 15:05:
Most people just use their phone for 90% of their internet usage, it's not like they go dark when the broadband is disconnected. Don't know why taxpayers should be footing a bill for something that these households obviously don't value very highly.

you can burn through your phone data allowance really fast.

Most people just use their phone for 90% of their internet usage, it's not like they go dark when the broadband is disconnected. Don't know why taxpayers should be footing a bill for something that these households obviously don't value very highly.

Republicans don't want informed poor people because informed poor people don't vote Republican. Republicans are still working on keeping the poor from voting at all and this is just the first step.

People that are intentional assholes for clicks should be beaten with a hammer. That includes the racist trolling, intentionally crashing vehicles and so on.