Eldaron Imotholin wrote on Jul 10, 2024, 03:30:
Also, all of the latest Warhammer 40K games I can think of off the top of my head are Chaosgate, Darktide and Space Marine 2.

Rogue Trader (CRPG) was a moderately big recent release, and Boltgun (boomer shooter) was received pretty well. I'm vaguely aware that they have turn-based games (Battlesector, Gladius) that keep churning out DLCs, and they had an unexpected collaboration with Powerwash Simulator.

I haven't played Chaosgate yet (its on my wishlist of shame).

I'm currently playing space marine 1 again and man it's a little janky but still great.
I have 300 hours in darktide and I love that game.

Really hoping the reviews on this are good and i'll buy it right away if they are or wait a year if they aren't.

Eldaron Imotholin wrote on Jul 10, 2024, 12:25:
I loved Chaosgate and Darktide so much! I'm not a huge fan of 40K though. I always feel like I'm missing something that clicks with so many fans. To me -- and I don't mean this as an insult to the fans at all! -- it just looks like it's just nonstop hopeless indiscriminate war everywhere, all the time, all at once, where every faction is evil one way or another, with a few chaos gods in the mix of it to spice things up.

I find it incredibly limited of myself to think this, but how interesting can any story really be in such a hopelessly singular universe?

The above isn't rhetorical. I genuinely know I'm missing something because I haven't invested enough.

That's is why any positive stuff is so precious and unexpected.

With Warhammer 40K hopelessness is so pervasive in everything it's almost a character unto itself. I normally don't groove to that but it fits the universe, and makes all of it very interesting to me - trying to find positives in a universe where life is appreciated less than ammo.

I loved Chaosgate and Darktide so much! I'm not a huge fan of 40K though. I always feel like I'm missing something that clicks with so many fans. To me -- and I don't mean this as an insult to the fans at all! -- it just looks like it's just nonstop hopeless indiscriminate war everywhere, all the time, all at once, where every faction is evil one way or another, with a few chaos gods in the mix of it to spice things up.

I find it incredibly limited of myself to think this, but how interesting can any story really be in such a hopelessly singular universe?

The above isn't rhetorical. I genuinely know I'm missing something because I haven't invested enough.

I'm weird - I like the "bad" ones too.

The oversaturation comment is off the mark. There's been an oversaturation of mediocre to bad games in this franchise sure, but not nearly enough of good to great games. I'm hopeful this will be a good game, as I'm pretty big into WH40K right now (Not really into the collectables stuff, just the lore and games mostly). I'm also hopeful that the Henry Cavill led film thing from Amazon will be amazing whenever that shows up down the road.

Maybe it's because the games are wildly varied because of the expansiveness of the universe, or because I am a huge fan, but I don't feel that there is any oversaturation whatsoever. I was thinking that there weren't enough myself. 🙂

JTW wrote on Jul 9, 2024, 20:20:

A decade ago it was zombies.

Now it seems to be 40k that's determined to drown us.

Comparing the depth of WH40K worldbuilding, lore, stories, character arcs etc. to "zombies" is like comparing the Pacific ocean to a puddle of water. It's not the same thing at all. Maybe to someone who has absolutely no knowledge of WH40K, but I for one am loving the resurgence of 40K in gaming. Yes, most of the games turn out to be shit, but there are some really unique and great gems in there, CRPGs like Rogue Traders would not be possible without a 40K licence. Saying that all 40K games are alike is like saying that all games are alike. It's bullshit. If you don't like the setting, don't play the games, fair enough. But please, for the love of god or whatever you hold holy, quit with the whining.

Not my kind of game, but I am intrigued to see if this 'swarm tech' is an actual thing or just marketing hype, so I'll be interested in real reviews and actual gameplay footage.

Overon wrote on Jul 10, 2024, 03:02:
Buyer beware, never pre-order digital goods.

' Course not. Will (maybe) grab this IF the user reviews are decent and WHEN there is a complete edition (GOTY or whatever) on sale one fine day. Fuck unfinished shit!

Eldaron Imotholin wrote on Jul 10, 2024, 03:30:
I'm worried about this one. How many waves of mindless arthropods does it take to get bored out of your ass?

One of the key elements that made Space Marine 1 so good, was the terror you inflicted among the Orks. They ran and reacted to their brethren being eviscerated by you. These Tyranids are directed by a hive mind, afaik, and they won't even flinch.

JTW wrote on Jul 9, 2024, 20:20:
In the early 2000s, it was WWII.

A decade ago it was zombies.

Now it seems to be 40k that's determined to drown us. Hey, having some 40k games is fun, but I'm starting to get really, really sick of it.

Don't like it, don't buy it. That simple. Also, all of the latest Warhammer 40K games I can think of off the top of my head are Chaosgate, Darktide and Space Marine 2.

I am going to give Space Marine 2 a go, but only because I pirated the last 20 years of this shit... Always dissapointed, but intrigued? Weird I know. Just watching the videos of Space Marine 2 get's me.... ready for war? No not quite.. bu t interested.

I'm worried about this one. How many waves of mindless arthropods does it take to get bored out of your ass?

One of the key elements that made Space Marine 1 so good, was the terror you inflicted among the Orks. They ran and reacted to their brethren being eviscerated by you. These Tyranids are directed by a hive mind, afaik, and they won't even flinch.

JTW wrote on Jul 9, 2024, 20:20:
In the early 2000s, it was WWII.

A decade ago it was zombies.

Now it seems to be 40k that's determined to drown us. Hey, having some 40k games is fun, but I'm starting to get really, really sick of it.

Don't like it, don't buy it. That simple. Also, all of the latest Warhammer 40K games I can think of off the top of my head are Chaosgate, Darktide and Space Marine 2.

Buyer beware, never pre-order digital goods. They cancelled their multiplayer beta test to concentrate on bug fixing and announced a release date months ago. Which means that they will release the game no matter what state it is in. So chances are the multiplayer at least is going to be messed up on release. Who knows about the rest of the game.

JTW wrote on Jul 10, 2024, 00:00:

Riahderymnmaddog wrote on Jul 9, 2024, 20:39:

JTW wrote on Jul 9, 2024, 20:20:
In the early 2000s, it was WWII.

A decade ago it was zombies.

Now it seems to be 40k that's determined to drown us. Hey, having some 40k games is fun, but I'm starting to get really, really sick of it.

It still is zombies in everything, and I remember Warhammer Space Crusade and Space Hulk on my Amiga in the early 90's? "Cleans them with the purifying flame!" I think Space Hulk said that from time to time, could be wrong, it's been a moment.

You:
"it's oversaturation".

Amen brother! You're preaching to the choir tho..

I played CyberPunk2020 and Shadowrun on the pen and paper when I was young. I loved it, but it sounds like I need to demand a Warhammer license from GW for my Quake IV project now that I have downloaded unreal engine and basically became the next John Carmack or whatever .

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JTW wrote on Jul 9, 2024, 20:20:
In the early 2000s, it was WWII.

A decade ago it was zombies.

Now it seems to be 40k that's determined to drown us. Hey, having some 40k games is fun, but I'm starting to get really, really sick of it.

I'm sorry but can you name one other game that lets you play a 3rd person shooter as a space marine that came out in the last ten years? I'll wait.

Riahderymnmaddog wrote on Jul 9, 2024, 20:39:

JTW wrote on Jul 9, 2024, 20:20:
In the early 2000s, it was WWII.

A decade ago it was zombies.

Now it seems to be 40k that's determined to drown us. Hey, having some 40k games is fun, but I'm starting to get really, really sick of it.

It still is zombies in everything, and I remember Warhammer Space Crusade and Space Hulk on my Amiga in the early 90's? "Cleans them with the purifying flame!" I think Space Hulk said that from time to time, could be wrong, it's been a moment.

I remember zombies and WWII stuff from the early 80s. It's not a matter of them being new - it's oversaturation.

GW used to be a great company. I was a huge tabletop Warhammer player throughout the 90s. Then something changed. They got greedy. Then they got greedier. Then they went off the deep end.

Games Workshop. This is the company that sued a third party for making 'big shoulder pads' because they were compatible with their space marine miniatures, then tried to copyright the term 'space marine.' When the courts beat them about the head and shoulders with a broken beer bottle for that one (although the winners - the company they sued - was driven to bankruptcy because of it)z, they turned around and destroyed their entire fantasy world ("End Times") to get rid of all of the public domain terms ('elf', 'orc', etc), and replace them with copyrightable terms ("Sylvaneth", "Seraphon", etc.) in order to be able to properly sue people they felt like suing. They used to be infamously hostile to retailers who carry their product, forcing them to turn half of their store in a GW store in order to carry anything at all, and then dictating what products they'll carry - regardless of the local market. They still regularly retire their entire product line and forbid anything - even miniatures - from the old line to be used in any official get-together (which is what most of the stores hold.) This forces their customer base to re-buy the entire game from scratch every few years.

I have no idea if they're still like that. I bailed on the company's tabletop products a decade ago after I saw how they were behaving, especially since it drove a lot of their more dedicated fans into a pretty extreme form of elitism.

That doesn't even touch on their extreme measures to control prices and prevent sales (for instance, it was against their policy for a long, long time for any online retailer to sell their products through a shopping cart system - you had to go to the retailer's site, download a price list, then call the retailer on the phone to order. This was to drive people to the GW site - which had a cart - in order to prevent sales.)

In other words, they're copyright-trolling, consumer-hostile, money-grubbing, market-manipulating assholes.

Anyway, back on topic.

GW used to be very, very picky with who got a license for their stuff. You had to provide proof that it would be a top notch game before they would even negotiate terms with you. For a long, long time, very few Warhammer games came out, and most were actually pretty good.

Then, a decade or so ago, they changed that. They decided that anyone who wanted a license could have one. They discovered that if they gave a hundred people a license, they'd get 95 single-star games, but they'd also get three decent ones, and one or two huge moneymakers (Vermintide, for instance.)

That trend continues, and there have probably been more 40k games released in the last five years than there were in the 80s, 90s, and 00s combined.

My eternal service starts September 9th and ends September 10th when Satisfactory 1.0 comes out.

JTW wrote on Jul 9, 2024, 20:20:
In the early 2000s, it was WWII.

A decade ago it was zombies.

Now it seems to be 40k that's determined to drown us. Hey, having some 40k games is fun, but I'm starting to get really, really sick of it.

It's been going on for quite a while. My personal theory is after denying use of their properties to Blizzard and seeing how much money they made on "not quite Warhammer" properties, Games Workshop determined to never miss another chance at that goldmine and sold their license to literally anyone who asked.

Slashman wrote on Jul 9, 2024, 20:20:
Deos going gold even have any meaning now?

I mean it used to be a big deal that the gamecode to be put on the CD would be final and that you'd be ready to print boxes etc. but in a modern game where day 1 patches are expected...why even make a big deal out of it? Oh well, I guess they have to sign off on the console stuff so big deal for somebody...

I was thinking the same thing. The term has literally no meaning any longer. Has it changed to mean something else?