Jim wrote on Jun 18, 2024, 00:07:

MeanJim wrote on Jun 17, 2024, 23:45:

Jim wrote on Jun 17, 2024, 18:50:
This appears to be a really old interview

Yeah that was way back in May 12, 2024.

The he is grossly misinformed which leads me to question why he should be held up an authority in all things gaming

Good god. Nobody said he was the authority in all things gaming. As I explicitly stated, he offered "one of the best thoughts on Epic vs. Steam" as a developer.

MeanJim wrote on Jun 17, 2024, 23:45:

Jim wrote on Jun 17, 2024, 18:50:
This appears to be a really old interview

Yeah that was way back in May 12, 2024.

It's also not an interview, Jim. He's interacting with his Twitch community while working on his indie game.

Looking forward to it.

MeanJim wrote on Jun 17, 2024, 23:45:

Jim wrote on Jun 17, 2024, 18:50:
This appears to be a really old interview

Yeah that was way back in May 12, 2024.

The he is grossly misinformed which leads me to question why he should be held up an authority in all things gaming

Jim wrote on Jun 17, 2024, 18:50:
This appears to be a really old interview

Yeah that was way back in May 12, 2024.

Burrito of Peace wrote on Jun 17, 2024, 14:53:
Don Quixote is alive and well.

Didn't know they had cloth rudder windmills in California these days.

Whilst tilting at windmills may be futile, it is also noble.

Not sure what he’s talking about, epic allows for refunds for 14 days, two hours testing. They also don’t have reviews in that format although they will pop up and ask questions about the game from people to play it. This appears to be a really old interview

One of the best thoughts on Epic vs. Steam from a developer perspective comes from Jason Thor Hall, who previously worked at Blizzard Entertainment and is now an indie game developer.

Don Quixote is alive and well.

Didn't know they had cloth rudder windmills in California these days.

Jim wrote on Jun 17, 2024, 14:40:

Kxmode wrote on Jun 17, 2024, 14:31:
I'm not a console gamer. I don't care what goes on in that world. And up until Epic introduce third-party exclusives it wasn't a thing for PC gamers for decades. Screw Tim and his company for bringing that BS to our world.

you are wrong. games used to be available in stores until steam came along and brought electronic delivery to the masses. You might say it is not the same thing but the net result is the same. you can no longer buy many PC games in stores because they are now exclusive to steam (and also locked to steam, you used to be able to resell PC games). Where are the complaints about that?

PC gaming going digital has nothing to do with anti-consumer third-party exclusives. That's an apples and oranges thing. They're not even the same.

Besides PC gaming has been digital for decades. Third-party exclusivity as in Valve goes out and pays publishers money to sell their game exclusive on Steam wasn't (and has never been a thing). It only became a thing with Epic when they launched their store. And only because EGS cannot compete with Steam on merit. So they go anti-consumer exclusives. Tim's company is cancer for every PC gamer. Even those who like EGS. Recognizing what they're doing is fundamentally bad for PC gamers.

Kxmode wrote on Jun 17, 2024, 14:31:
I'm not a console gamer. I don't care what goes on in that world. And up until Epic introduce third-party exclusives it wasn't a thing for PC gamers for decades. Screw Tim and his company for bringing that BS to our world.

you are wrong. games used to be available in stores until steam came along and brought electronic delivery to the masses. You might say it is not the same thing but the net result is the same. you can no longer buy many PC games in stores because they are now exclusive to steam (and also locked to steam, you used to be able to resell PC games). Where are the complaints about that?

RedEye9 wrote on Jun 17, 2024, 14:19:
"Alpha Protocol" Returns to PC - Exclusively on GOG
https://www.techpowerup.com/320694/alpha-protocol-returns-to-pc-exclusively-on-gog
Oh the horror

Here's the second sentence from that article. "The Irvine, California-headquartered developer has worked quietly on a re-release of their third-person sci-fi espionage ARPG (originally launched back in 2010) alongside Sega and GOG." It says GOG was involved in the development of the re-release. That makes them a first-party, and they're selling the game exclusively on their platform as a first-party developer. I have zero issues with that. I am okay with Epic selling Fortnite on EGS, Ubisoft selling their games on their UbiConnect platform, Valve's games exclusive on Steam, etc. When they put money into the game's development, I respect their decision to sell exclusive on their platform.

Jim wrote on Jun 17, 2024, 13:57:

Kxmode wrote on Jun 17, 2024, 12:53:
Valve and GOG have never done third-party exclusives. If a publisher wants to sell only on Steam or GOG, that's their choice, but Valve and GOG have never approached any third-party publisher with bribery money to avoid selling on competitor platforms.

you must hate consoles then. you call it bribery. I consider it a business deal that allows the company to get the funding they need in order to complete the game. I fail to see how that is a bad thing. Would people be happier if the studio had to shut down? Because that is what is happening right now, you can see another one died in the news today.

I'm not a console gamer. I don't care what goes on in that world. And up until Epic introduce third-party exclusives it wasn't a thing for PC gamers for decades. Screw Tim and his company for bringing that BS to our world.

Exclusivity was bad yesterday. It is bad today. It will be bad tomorrow.

Yep. Besides, there are quite a lot of GOG exclusive games. It goes without saying that there are deals in place or why else would the publishers in question refrain from a Steam release (to an audience of over 130 million AU per month)?

In most of those cases, GOG put in the work (legalities, compatibility etc.) and they obviously signed an exclusivity deal with the publishers to reward themselves for their efforts.
Something, that I personally believe, GOG should do way more often. Then maybe they would stop being such a dwarf company with a measly $57 million annual revenue... (in 2023 and that number is only so "high" because of the Cyberpunk expansion... without the Cyberpunk expansion they would be at their usual ~$40-ish million).

"Alpha Protocol" Returns to PC - Exclusively on GOG
https://www.techpowerup.com/320694/alpha-protocol-returns-to-pc-exclusively-on-gog
Oh the horror

Kxmode wrote on Jun 17, 2024, 13:43:
Can you please provide evidence that this is an exclusive as the result of a deal between the publisher and CDPR? If true, that would, unfortunately, taint my view of GOG (and CDPR). I loathe any platform that makes anti-consumer third-party exclusives. I want ALL PC gamers to have a choice of where they buy their games, free of anti-competitor platform bribery.

you can see the development process documented here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBXbrofwKwM
The game is not on steam. I doubt it will ever get on steam because GOG did the work to make it work in their environment and I can't imagine they will make it work with steam binaries so steam can sell it.

Kxmode wrote on Jun 17, 2024, 12:53:
Valve and GOG have never done third-party exclusives. If a publisher wants to sell only on Steam or GOG, that's their choice, but Valve and GOG have never approached any third-party publisher with bribery money to avoid selling on competitor platforms.

you must hate consoles then. you call it bribery. I consider it a business deal that allows the company to get the funding they need in order to complete the game. I fail to see how that is a bad thing. Would people be happier if the studio had to shut down? Because that is what is happening right now, you can see another one died in the news today.

RogueSix wrote on Jun 17, 2024, 13:01:

Kxmode wrote on Jun 17, 2024, 12:53:
Valve and GOG have never done third-party exclusives. If a publisher wants to sell only on Steam or GOG, that's their choice, but Valve and GOG have never approached any third-party publisher with bribery money to avoid selling on competitor platforms.

Yes, at least GOG have. The new Alpha Protocol is exclusive on GOG and there is certainly a deal in place that keeps it exclusive (for now... no one knows if it is timed exclusivity or permanent).

Can you please provide evidence that this is an exclusive as the result of a deal between the publisher and CDPR? If true, that would, unfortunately, taint my view of GOG (and CDPR). I loathe any platform that makes anti-consumer third-party exclusives. I want ALL PC gamers to have a choice of where they buy their games, free of anti-competitor platform bribery.

It would be soooo easy...

Lords of the FaIen
Lords of the FaIIen
Lords of the FaIIIen

But noooooo...