Valve Faces £656M UK Lawsuit

BBC reports on "a collective action claim" filed with the UK's Competition Appeal Tribunal accusing Valve Corporation of using its market position to overcharge UK gamers. "Valve is rigging the market, and taking advantage of UK gamers," says digital rights campaigner Vicki Shotbolt in bringing the case. The article states this amounts to a £656m lawsuit, and the description of the case sounds similar to the US lawsuit over the "most favored nation" clause in Steam agreements. Here's more on the accusation that Valve is "shutting out" competition in the PC games market:
It says Valve "forces" game publishers to sign up to so-called price parity obligations, preventing titles being sold at cheaper prices on rival platforms.

Ms Shotbolt says this has enabled Steam to charge an "excessive commission of up to 30%", making UK consumers pay too much for purchasing PC games and add-on content.

The case is what is known as a collective action claim, which means that one person goes to court on behalf of a much larger group of people.
Ms Shotbolt - who accuses Valve of breaching UK competition law for at least six years - says she is bringing the claim "to stop this unlawful conduct and help people get back what they are owed."
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roguebanshee wrote on Jun 13, 2024, 08:39:
ZeroPike1 wrote on Jun 13, 2024, 06:20:
To topic; I guess Valve did not grease the right palms in the UK government. I always love a good monopoly bashing though so I hope something consumer friendly comes out of this event.
To be fair, I don't think Valve directly tries to influence any government in order to maintain their position. But only because they haven't felt the need to yet.

And certain people here could stand to remember that Valve is not their friend. Valve is there to make money off of anyone they can.

And yes, you can substitute Valve with any corporation (including those seeking to be competitors). But this specific topic is about Valve.
Perfect post, re-quoting for posterity.
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 Prez
 
And certain people here could stand to remember that Valve is not their friend. Valve is there to make money off of anyone they can.

And yes, you can substitute Valve with any corporation (including those seeking to be competitors). But this specific topic is about Valve.

Quoted and highlighted just to boost the signal. No matter how many times what should be a self-evident concept (especially to everyone here) is repeated, it always seems to require further repeating.
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ZeroPike1 wrote on Jun 13, 2024, 06:20:
To topic; I guess Valve did not grease the right palms in the UK government. I always love a good monopoly bashing though so I hope something consumer friendly comes out of this event.
To be fair, I don't think Valve directly tries to influence any government in order to maintain their position. But only because they haven't felt the need to yet.

And certain people here could stand to remember that Valve is not their friend. Valve is there to make money off of anyone they can.

And yes, you can substitute Valve with any corporation (including those seeking to be competitors). But this specific topic is about Valve.
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Quboid wrote on Jun 12, 2024, 22:19:
RedEye9 wrote on Jun 12, 2024, 22:17:
Beamer wrote on Jun 12, 2024, 22:12:
Did you even read the complaint?
It appears you did not
Shame on you Beamer, you should never ask a question when you already know the answer. It's not fair.

Isn't Beamer a lawyer? They only ask questions when they already know the answer.

What I know for certain about Beamer is if he ever quotes me I instantly know I fucked up in my post or the logic behind my post or something is wrong on my end. And I accept that as being my fault then. They are an equivalent to being a Jedi Master of Forum Posters.

To topic; I guess Valve did not grease the right palms in the UK government. I always love a good monopoly bashing though so I hope something consumer friendly comes out of this event.


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Jun 12, 2024, 22:58
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Jun 12, 2024, 22:58
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jdreyer wrote on Jun 12, 2024, 22:34:
Cutter wrote on Jun 12, 2024, 21:51:
Steam games are all priced US as the baseline. And in spite of the fact that they charge less in the third world, Canada and Australia have to pay the US exchange. Britain and Europe do to which makes it a bargain for them because their money is worth more than the US dollar.
Canada and Australia get the short straw though.

First three games that came to mind, figures from SteamDB, with USD equivalent in parenthesis.

Elden Ring:
USD 59.99
Euro: €59.99 ($64.81, +8.05%)
GBP: £49.99 ($63.91, +6.54%)
AUD: $89.95 ($59.81, -0.30%)
CAD: $79.99 ($58.21, -2.96%)

Helldivers 2:
USD: $39.99
Euro: €39.99 ($43.20, +8.05%)
GBP: £34.99 ($44.73, +11.87%)
AUD: $59.95 ($39.86, -0.32%)
CAD: $49.99 ($36.38, -9.02%)

Far Cry 6:
USD: $59.99
Euro: €59.99 ($64.81, +8.05%)
GBP: £49.99 ($63.74, +6.54%)
AUD: $89.95 ($59.81, -0.30%)
CAD: $79.99 ($58.21, -2.96%)

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Cutter wrote on Jun 12, 2024, 21:51:
Steam games are all priced US as the baseline. And in spite of the fact that they charge less in the third world, Canada and Australia have to pay the US exchange. Britain and Europe do to which makes it a bargain for them because their money is worth more than the US dollar.
Canada and Australia get the short straw though.
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 Quboid
 
RedEye9 wrote on Jun 12, 2024, 22:17:
Beamer wrote on Jun 12, 2024, 22:12:
Did you even read the complaint?
It appears you did not
Shame on you Beamer, you should never ask a question when you already know the answer. It's not fair.

Isn't Beamer a lawyer? They only ask questions when they already know the answer.
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Beamer wrote on Jun 12, 2024, 22:12:
Did you even read the complaint?
It appears you did not
Shame on you Beamer, you should never ask a question when you already know the answer. It's not fair.
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Mashiki Amiketo wrote on Jun 12, 2024, 17:45:
Beamer wrote on Jun 12, 2024, 16:28:
And how about enforced price parity?
Each person selling their games is responsible for that, not Valve. They simply offer the front end.

And 30% is the norm in the industry, in most industries in fact when you're the one offering the storefront and storage and signage and key production and, and, and, and, and.

Did you even read the complaint?
It appears you did not

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Cutter wrote on Jun 12, 2024, 16:49:
Oh please, they get to buy with the pound which makes games cheaper for them anyway. You know who really gets screwed? Canada and Australia. And a quick look at ITAD shows this claim simply isn't true. Lots of resale sites sell keys for Steam games cheaper than Steam. And Steam's commission comes from the sellers, not buyers. And while 30% is a lot, they also have a ton of infrastructure to maintain and constantly expand. It's not like they're just handing out keys for the money.

Today on "Cutter doesn't understand exchange rates"...
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Beamer wrote on Jun 12, 2024, 16:28:
And how about enforced price parity?
Each person selling their games is responsible for that, not Valve. They simply offer the front end.

And 30% is the norm in the industry, in most industries in fact when you're the one offering the storefront and storage and signage and key production and, and, and, and, and.
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the issue is not with selling steam keys. it is with different store fronts, selling epic keys for lower prices for example. That is the violation against steam ToS. Key resellers do not count in these instances.
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Oh please, they get to buy with the pound which makes games cheaper for them anyway. You know who really gets screwed? Canada and Australia. And a quick look at ITAD shows this claim simply isn't true. Lots of resale sites sell keys for Steam games cheaper than Steam. And Steam's commission comes from the sellers, not buyers. And while 30% is a lot, they also have a ton of infrastructure to maintain and constantly expand. It's not like they're just handing out keys for the money.

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Timmeh wrote on Jun 12, 2024, 13:45:
Prez wrote on Jun 12, 2024, 13:08:
All corporations strive to bury competition. They will do anything to crush any potential competitors, all while claiming that they love competition, and once they have enough money there isn't anything you can do to compete. I didn't know that was still a question. I do think that the contention that you could start your own business as though that proves that they don't have a virtual monopoly is adorable. The only question is 1) did they run afoul of a country's law in maintaining their virtual monopoly, and 2) is anyone going to actually find a corporate monstrosity that has more money and power than the government that they work for guilty of doing so?

And if you think that Valve is any different than Microsoft, Epic, Apple, Google, Nvidia, Disney, Amazon, or any other of a hundred corporate villains, I can only say that I hope you are at least getting paid for your shilling for them.

fantastic progressive post.

Valve doesn't have to publish, host, or promote your game. Valve gives a developer exposure to millions of gamers.

The average price of a game on steam is $15.50

Anyone who calls that price gouging is a moron.

And how about enforced price parity?
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Prez wrote on Jun 12, 2024, 14:03:
I could teach a master class on disingenuous and manipulative internet discourse off of that one post. Well done.
One standout was average price, like that means anything.

Yao Ming is 7ft 6in and Danica Patrick is 5-foot 1in
Put them in a room by themselves and the average height of all occupants is 6ft 3in.

The number means absolutely nothing.

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Seems like a tough suit to win but if I can claim back a few bucks, I'll take it!
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I could teach a master class on disingenuous and manipulative internet discourse off of that one post. Well done.
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Prez wrote on Jun 12, 2024, 13:08:
All corporations strive to bury competition. They will do anything to crush any potential competitors, all while claiming that they love competition, and once they have enough money there isn't anything you can do to compete. I didn't know that was still a question. I do think that the contention that you could start your own business as though that proves that they don't have a virtual monopoly is adorable. The only question is 1) did they run afoul of a country's law in maintaining their virtual monopoly, and 2) is anyone going to actually find a corporate monstrosity that has more money and power than the government that they work for guilty of doing so?

And if you think that Valve is any different than Microsoft, Epic, Apple, Google, Nvidia, Disney, Amazon, or any other of a hundred corporate villains, I can only say that I hope you are at least getting paid for your shilling for them.

fantastic progressive post.

Valve doesn't have to publish, host, or promote your game. Valve gives a developer exposure to millions of gamers.

The average price of a game on steam is $15.50

Anyone who calls that price gouging is a moron.


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I'm rooting for Vicki Shotbolt on her awesome name alone! Go, Vicki, go. Shoot 'em down!
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