Can we artificially cool the planet?
Yes, quit burning fossil fuels.

With 7.14m subscribers, 4.8m views on the video you linked -- I'm guessing their compensation is pretty satisfactory. I also would be completely unsurprised if none of that was an actual surprise to her.

It's way worse when they "prank" their kids for views. When they're older they will wonder why their kids want nothing to do with them.

Titan follow up link gone?

Rhialto wrote on Jun 12, 2024, 13:03:
Titan follow up link gone?

Wayback machine internet archive has it.
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2024/06/inside-the-titan-submersible-disaster/">Here's the link

I forgot, web archive links don't translate well to blues urls.
Quote my comment and cut and paste the link out of it.

Rhialto wrote on Jun 12, 2024, 13:03:
Titan follow up link gone?

Doesn't seem to link to right spot or it imploded.

fujiJuice wrote on Jun 12, 2024, 13:11:

Rhialto wrote on Jun 12, 2024, 13:03:
Titan follow up link gone?

Doesn't seem to link to right spot or it imploded.

It's from this Wired article https://www.wired.com/story/titan-submersible-disaster-inside-story-oceangate-files/

Ars explained the removal here:

Hey it turns out that Wired made a mistake in letting us syndicate this, so we have to remove the story and lock the thread. If you want to read the original story, it's up on Wired. - link

RedEye9 wrote on Jun 12, 2024, 13:20:

fujiJuice wrote on Jun 12, 2024, 13:11:

Rhialto wrote on Jun 12, 2024, 13:03:
Titan follow up link gone?

Doesn't seem to link to right spot or it imploded.

It's from this Wired article https://www.wired.com/story/titan-submersible-disaster-inside-story-oceangate-files/

Thanks!

Thanks all, I've sent an email to Stephen to let him know.

Can we artificially cool the planet? A major environmental group is spending millions to find out.

Who is this "we"?

This would affect every person and nation on Earth. Is some group or country going to just do it unilaterally? If they think that they can get everyone on Earth to agree to this, they are mistaken.

Heh, I'm imagining a SnowPiercer future gearing up. They start encouraging everyone to get monster trucks and use as much fossil fuel as possible to try to heat the planet back up and keep it from freezing over.

To cool the planet off, maybe people could bring back sacrifices to the volcano gods. One really massive, ashy volcanic eruption can cool the planet significantly. Failing that, Oppenheimer's enemy Edward Teller wrote a book called Constructive Uses for Nuclear Explosives. For some inexplicable reason, many of the government projects that he started on that front fell through.

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The museum should have pressed charges. Those assholes should be going to jail for that. They're certainly not winning anyone over to their causes with stunts like this - I'd argue they're actually actively hurting them. A lot of people save for a long time to travel and go to top shelf museums. They shouldn't have their visits impeded because of morons like this. Make an example of them or it'll never stop and only get worse. People there should have just kicked the shit out of them.

New King Charles portrait vandalized in London gallery

LOL
They pasted the face of Wallace from "Wallace and Gromit" over His Majesty’s

Oh, good. We're getting close to being able to communicate with a humpback whale probe.

Cutter wrote on Jun 12, 2024, 17:08:
The museum should have pressed charges. Those assholes should be going to jail for that. They're certainly not winning anyone over to their causes with stunts like this - I'd argue they're actually actively hurting them. A lot of people save for a long time to travel and go to top shelf museums. They shouldn't have their visits impeded because of morons like this. Make an example of them or it'll never stop and only get worse. People there should have just kicked the shit out of them.

I agree with their message but I never found making everyone think you are an asshole by doing something like this to be an effective way to make your point.

"Can we artificially cool the planet? A major environmental group is spending millions to find out."

easily. Ask Oppenheimer how.

opie wrote on Jun 12, 2024, 20:47:
"Can we artificially cool the planet? A major environmental group is spending millions to find out."

easily. Ask Oppenheimer how.

You know, as someone who believes in science very strongly, and has a pretty detailed background in science, I have to admit that I don't really know what to say to the many "doom and gloomers' here and elsewhere around the web. I certainly don't know where I fit in. Because I firmly believe the science that proves that climate change is real beyond a shadow of any doubt (just not beyond tin-foil-hat-wearing conspiracy nuts), I get labelled an egg-sucking commie liberal who will be the downfall of America. And because I refuse to buy into the silly incessant certainty that so many loudly espouse that mankind is doomed and the only thing to be done is carve out my safe little niche of isolation in preparation for our imminent and inevitable end, I get labelled equally insulting things. A blind idealistic benevolent moron who is harmless. A hopeful dreamer who knows nothing but still is kind of loveable. A brain-addled cripple who just rambles on because, bless his heart, he just doesn't know what he is even saying half the time.

So when I say that it is ludicrous to me that all of you very intelligent but hopelessly, preposterously negative people don't see science as an inevitable eventual fix to this, I will be dismissed as a guy who just doesn't understand how "the real world" works. Or a hopeless romantic idealistic dreamer who has blind faith that everything would be alright... somehow. Or a brain-addled cripple. But I will continue to shake my head in disbelief that people so smart can act so dumb. So I guess we're even.

Prez wrote on Jun 12, 2024, 21:25:
So when I say that it is ludicrous to me that all of you very intelligent but hopelessly, preposterously negative people don't see science as an inevitable eventual fix to this...

Science works by consensus. You know this. It took almost 50 years for a critical mass of consensus to finally get some, but not all, people onboard with the idea that climate change was real and directly impacting humankind. Year after year, we continue to break global records for "hottest year on record". The plural of anecdote is not data but we had about two whole weeks of Spring here. With the heat index, we've been cracking over 100 degrees since last month. We have record snow, tornadoes, and hurricanes, year after year. Oh, and record breaking hail, too. Yet still there are people who jam their heads waaaaaay up their ass and claim climate change isn't real or that mankind has absolutely nothing to do with it. These science illiterati are the millstone around the neck of progress and, brother, it is goddamned heavy millstone. Especially since some of those mouthbreathers are in positions of political power. Moreover, they're often happily bribed "lobbied" by corporate interests who do not give a single fuck about five years from now and only care about this quarter's bottom line, no matter how reckless, endangering, or catastrophic their actions provably are.

I am one of those "negative doomsayers" not because I lack trust in science but because I have zero trust or hope in humanity as a whole. Not when a significant amount of them think climate change is a hoax invented by the Chinese for...reasons. So my carved out niche of a safety net isn't anti-science, it's a bulwark against either the direct, malevolent actions or willfully ignorant stupidity of humanity. If anything, my little homestead is the very epitome of using science to solve the problems that are facing my family. I can list all the scientific disciplines that went in to planning it, are being used to construct it, and will be used to operate it.

But the reality is that science cannot automagically fix all of humanity's problems when humanity will not stop creating those problems. It's like picking at an open wound. It isn't ever going to heal unless you do something radically different and beneficial to heal it.

You know that you don't need 100% acceptance of a thing for that thing to become a reality, right? I'm not even sure it needs to be a majority. It's estimated that the American revolution had the support of roughly 40-45% of the common citizens I think. I imagine that you being a student of sorts of American history this might be well-known to you, so apologies if this comes across as condescending, but sometimes we can't see the forest for the trees so to speak. Yes, I find you to be extraordinarily negative and gloomy (I know that you consider it pragmatism so no need to debate it again), but I understand how easy it is to get that way. I'm a pretty cynical bastard myself, but predictions of horrible things happening have a pretty terrible track record. I've been through the cold war; World War 3 was just around the corner for about 30 years when I was growing up. Our parents lived through Sputnik and the Cuban missile crisis. Chernobyl was going to be the death of humanity on the planet. A Trump presidency would mean the dissolution of our union. We're supposed to be only going outside in moon suits because the sun's radiation was supposed to be lethal by now if you remember. 😉

I've heard "but this is different because..." my whole life but the reality stays the same. It doesn't really matter too much to me in the end; no one is getting out of here alive anyway. But it might help if everyone just lightened up a smidge. Running around screaming that the end is nigh or becoming a morose joyless bastard who sees no hope in anything has never fixed a single problem in the history of humanity.

We are are holding in our pockets devices that have more computing power than what was used by the whole of NASA to put men on the moon. I can type a few words into my phone and in seconds it gets relayed through a satellite in outer space and gets sent to a guy in Bangladesh 12 thousand miles away. We are on the cusp of achieving nuclear fusion for the masses, a technology that was considered as likely as time travel or teleportation when I was a nuke operator. We are starting to develop real plans to put a colony on the moon, and one day Mars. Science has achieved all of that and much, much more regardless of how many flat earthers and climate deniers there are. Science is getting close to magic. If you weren't such a sourpuss all the time you might even appreciate it. 😁

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Don't look up.