Out of the Blue

I'm dying to see the new Planet of the Apes movie, I may even get out to the theater to do so... maybe I can make the excuse be research, since TeraBaap points out that both the spacecraft in the movie and the tattoos on the human slaves resemble the Quake (1) symbol.

Laurence Fishburne turns 40 today (thanks Chris Morris). Okay Morpheus, blow out the candles and try your cake. If you close your eyes, it almost feels like you're eating runny eggs.

Link of the Day: Cutie Quake. Flash required. Thanks eravage.
Auction of the Day: Battle Bot Patriot -competed in season 3. Thanks David.

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Re: Ending Re-explained
Aug 3, 2001, 19:51
anon@24.203
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Re: Ending Re-explained Aug 3, 2001, 19:51
Aug 3, 2001, 19:51
anon@24.203
 
Laurence Fishburne turns 40 today
Allow me to laugh. Ha!
Those Hollywood actors, they crack me up, he's probably 55.
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Ending Re-explained
Aug 2, 2001, 18:41
anon@66.1
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Ending Re-explained Aug 2, 2001, 18:41
Aug 2, 2001, 18:41
anon@66.1
 
***YET MORE SPOILERS***

I actually read an <a href="http://slate.msn.com/culturebox/entries/01-07-30_112781.asp">article</a> giving one explanation for the ending. However, even this explanation requires a pretty big leap of faith. I think in the end, Burton was just pressed for time and wanted desperatley to end with the same ironic impact the original Planet did. Read the article and decide for yourself...but IMHO, nothing beats:

"Oh my gosh! I was wrong...it was Earth all along! Yes you finally made a monkey..."
"Yes we finally made a monkey..."
"Yes you finally made a monkey out of meeeeeee!! I love you Dr. Zauis!"
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Re: Planet of the apes
Aug 2, 2001, 00:13
anon@24.68
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Re: Planet of the apes Aug 2, 2001, 00:13
Aug 2, 2001, 00:13
anon@24.68
 
"I hate every ape i see, from chimpan-EH to chimpan-ZEE"
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Re: Planet of the apes
Aug 1, 2001, 15:54
anon@35.8
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Re: Planet of the apes Aug 1, 2001, 15:54
Aug 1, 2001, 15:54
anon@35.8
 
The episode is actually called "A Fish Called Selma."
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Re: Planet of the apes
Jul 30, 2001, 23:56
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Re: Planet of the apes Jul 30, 2001, 23:56
Jul 30, 2001, 23:56
 
I believe you're referring to:

"Stop the Planet of the Apes I Want to get off"

...one of the best Simpsons episodes ever.

-jason


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Planet of the apes
Jul 30, 2001, 23:33
anon@209.6
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Planet of the apes Jul 30, 2001, 23:33
Jul 30, 2001, 23:33
anon@209.6
 
The best planet of the apes version so far is the Troy McClure musical. "Dr. Zaius Dr. Zaius! Oooo Dr. Zaius!"
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Time
Jul 30, 2001, 22:56
anon@209.3
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Time Jul 30, 2001, 22:56
Jul 30, 2001, 22:56
anon@209.3
 
"Established 1995. Over a tenth of a billion visitors since 1997."

I didn't notice that before, but "over a tenth of a billion" sounds better than "over one hundred million" doesn't it

---

Regarding Planet of the Apes...

The movie may feel like it was mashed together, and poorly finished, because it rather was; Burton was very rushed by the studio to finish it up and kick it out the door, going back and editing many parts of the movie right up till just a short time before it premiered. If he had had another three or four months, he probably could have sculpted the movie better - that however, is of course no excuse for what the movie actually is.
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Re: Movie elitism
Jul 30, 2001, 20:47
anon@204.181
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Re: Movie elitism Jul 30, 2001, 20:47
Jul 30, 2001, 20:47
anon@204.181
 
I almost forgot one Check out Dancer In The Dark. It's on DVD now also.

-Lars
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Re: Movie elitism
Jul 30, 2001, 20:44
anon@204.181
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Re: Movie elitism Jul 30, 2001, 20:44
Jul 30, 2001, 20:44
anon@204.181
 
Holy shit man... Requeim rules. Virgin Suicides was very very good as well. I haven't seen Jesus' Son, but I'll check that one out. Do yourself a favor and find a theater that's running Lost and Delirious. I liked it much better than Virgin Suicides, but not as much as Requiem. Also, did you catch Amores Perroes <sp?> or Pollock? Great movies.

-Lars
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Re: ENDING EXPLAINED (MAJOR SPOILERS)
Jul 30, 2001, 20:41
anon@204.181
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Re: ENDING EXPLAINED (MAJOR SPOILERS) Jul 30, 2001, 20:41
Jul 30, 2001, 20:41
anon@204.181
 
*SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS!!!!!*

Ah, you may be right. Either way, the effect is the same... Marky Mark going forward or the Oberon going back.
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Re: ENDING EXPLAINED (MAJOR SPOILERS)
Jul 30, 2001, 20:06
anon@131.107
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Re: ENDING EXPLAINED (MAJOR SPOILERS) Jul 30, 2001, 20:06
Jul 30, 2001, 20:06
anon@131.107
 
*MORE SPOILERS*








I think you misunderstood one pretty major point -- the Oberon did not slip back in time, but Marky Mark went forward in time several thousands of years (check the chronometer in his little ship as he's going through the storm thingy). The Oberon goes looking for him and crashes on the same planet, but they never time-travel themselves (or, more precisely, it's not made clear whether the Oberon does any time travelling, but it's suggested that it's Marky Mark who moved about in time rather than the rest). When Marky Mark goes back through the storm, trying to get home, it's unclear what amount of time-travelling he does (if any).

Or at least that was my understanding.

--

the guy who dislikes movie snobs
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ENDING EXPLAINED (MAJOR SPOILERS)
Jul 30, 2001, 19:57
anon@208.238
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ENDING EXPLAINED (MAJOR SPOILERS) Jul 30, 2001, 19:57
Jul 30, 2001, 19:57
anon@208.238
 
*MAJOR SPOILERS* *MAJOR SPOILERS*
*MAJOR SPOILERS* *MAJOR SPOILERS*



Okay... I admit I'm a big movie snob, and a big fan of Tim Burton. I had a hard time with this movie. First, I just had a hard time separating it from the original. It has to be seen completely separate from the original. I just about vomited at the end... UNTIL I spent some time really thinking about it. It is actually closer to how I've been told the book ends. In the book, the astronaut visits a planet on which Apes rule over man. Then, by travelling between this planet and earth, and a little thing called relativity, he arrives back on earth something like thousands of years later to find that the Apes have taken over there as well (completely independently). This is basically what happened in the NEW POTA movie. The planet of the apes was NOT earth... it was way out past saturn at least and had 3 moons. Marky Mark landed there... then the Oberon slips back thousands of years in time and crashes. The genetically engineered Apes take over the place as explained. Then Marky Mark travels back through the storm, but doesn't end up at his intended present day, but ends up man years in the future of where he came from. When he arrives on Earth, the genetically engineered apes had revolted and taken over there as well and then reshaped Earth in their own image. Thus explaining the modified monument which, at first, made me cringe beyond belief.

It's not so bad now I don't think...

-Lars
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Re: Movie elitism
Jul 30, 2001, 18:01
anon@4.3
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Re: Movie elitism Jul 30, 2001, 18:01
Jul 30, 2001, 18:01
anon@4.3
 
Hehe, just so you know, id be classified as a movie snob as well. On teh whole i do consider myself likeing more indie flicks than hollywood flicks these days. You can count on me, requiem for a dream, virgin suicides, and jesus' son being some of my fav in the past year or so. But then again, Im also the guy that posted that big rant up there about why planet is still a decent movie. I tend to agree with his Looniness and ebert on this one. And looney since you haven't seen it, believe me, this one is a well done "popcorn" flick, with a hint of intelligence in it. You can trust ebert all you want, but truth be told he gave tombraider a higher rank, and often times I think he's getting to be too old and too outa touch to judge the pop significance of "popcorn" movies. In the end its just opinions, but I think you should check it out. Course, i check everything out, but then again im a movie nut.

dave
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Re: Movie elitism
Jul 30, 2001, 17:09
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Re: Movie elitism Jul 30, 2001, 17:09
Jul 30, 2001, 17:09
 
Planet of the apes could have been a LOT better if they didnt end it with "humans and apes living equal" I say that guy should have taken his gun and blown the crap out of all the apes.

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Re: Movie elitism
Jul 30, 2001, 16:50
anon@207.13
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Re: Movie elitism Jul 30, 2001, 16:50
Jul 30, 2001, 16:50
anon@207.13
 
So YOU'RE the person that liked "The Lost World." I can rest easy now.
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Re: Movie elitism
Jul 30, 2001, 16:39
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Re: Movie elitism Jul 30, 2001, 16:39
Jul 30, 2001, 16:39
 
I've heard that argument before, and I just don't buy it. I'm certainly a "Movie Snob", but if that means I don't enjoy films like the new PoA (which I haven't seen) or other recent mindless action movies, then so be it.

In my defense, and this is probably the same for many snobs like myself, I *do* like action movies, and yes, I enjoy mindless ones. The difference is that there is a difference (as Roger Ebert likes to point out) between a good and a bad "popcorn movie."

Good popcorn movies: The Mummy, Die Hard (1, and to a lesser extent 2), The Lost World, The Rock, and so on.

Yeah, there are some people that can't stand any kind of movie like that (my girlfriend is one of them), but I have no problem going to see a movie that's nothing but action, so long as it's done well. From what I've heard, the new PoA doesn't fall into that category.

-jason
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PETA
Jul 30, 2001, 16:39
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PETA Jul 30, 2001, 16:39
Jul 30, 2001, 16:39
 
The movie could have been soooo good, but it reeked (sp) heavily of being a two hour PETA (people for the ethical treatment of animals) public service announcement. All this crap about apes and people being equal and the apes should be treated as humans on Earth as well.

The first ape that can smack me down in a one-on-one FPS death match we be my equal.

akeRoo
"Hey, I love animals. They taste good"

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Movie elitism
Jul 30, 2001, 16:14
anon@131.107
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Movie elitism Jul 30, 2001, 16:14
Jul 30, 2001, 16:14
anon@131.107
 
What's with people trying to be elitists, these days? Come on, Planet of the Apes was a fun movie. Movies are a form of entertainment. Sure, they have the potential to carry deeper meanings, but why must every movie be expected to do so? I thoroughly enjoyed Planet of the Apes, as I had fun watching it. It was a visual feast, and the plot and story were at least believable.

A bit o' the pimpage: I wrote a little essay on what I call "movie snobs" over at http://www.daishar.com/snob.php3 that addresses this same issue.
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SOME SPOILERS>>>>>>
Jul 30, 2001, 15:16
anon@4.3
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SOME SPOILERS>>>>>> Jul 30, 2001, 15:16
Jul 30, 2001, 15:16
anon@4.3
 
SOME SPOILERS....NOT PLOT BASED, BUT SPOILERS


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Hey guys, believe me I agree most movies are shit today. But this one was not that bad, especially for a remake. Usually remakes come off totally FXicized with none of the content of the originals. You have to admit the art style in this movie was pretty badass, and more suprising to me was very very reminiscant of the originals. I even noticed a couple recreations of the actual sets. As a fan of the old movies that meant alot to me. I thought Roth did a badass job as the bad guy. Look how much went into some of the characters. I dare you to find a spot in that movie where roths eyes arent looking upward. Try to do that for 5 mins, its real hard. As for the plot, I thought it worked pretty decent, if the film fails its definitely in the dialogue. Remember you can't blame the director for everything guys, this is most definitely a burton film. He is most definitely a visual storyteller (ed scissors, batman, pee wee, nightmare before christmas, and sleepy hollow are the proof, this film is no different) and thats what you got from this movie. And his plot is always in his atmosphere. As ebert mentions, notice the xandau nature of the ape mountain. I made that connection as well. Its got some depth, its just mostly in visual symbolism, your quake symbol included. First thing i saw when i saw that first scene was...hey its a crucifix (it was "bent" only when looking from a non-flat perspective)...later it goes on to become the religious symbol of the world with the skewed perspective view, from the top. Maybe looking down on humanity...maybe im just reading into things. But then think about that with roths eyes always pointed upward. I dunno, little things like that in movies i really appreciate. Im not saying the movie is the next citizen kane, im just saying it did have some intelligence to it. The ending, well, hey, it suprised me. I didn't really like it all that much either, but the choice of landing spots i did think was appropriate if not symbolic as well. Anyways, thats my two cents, i definitely enjoyed it, and although it has its flaws, is no where near the armagedons that get released these days.
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Re: Planet of the Apes
Jul 30, 2001, 15:04
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Re: Planet of the Apes Jul 30, 2001, 15:04
Jul 30, 2001, 15:04
 
I'll admit to being underwhelmed by the film. I suspect that as movie productions get larger and larger it becomes more difficult for a film-maker's vision to be completed. Sure the apes are wonderful, the sets are gorgeous, but the plot pulls its punches and never really gets anywhere.

Personally, I felt disappointed by the ending. I didn't hate the film, but it was generally a letdown.

Go and see it if you'll be satisfied with some fancy monkey makeup. Avoid it if you're interested in more intellectual fare (of which this summer seems to be absolutely devoid).

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