HELLDIVERS 2 Steam Delistings and Refunds

The slow-motion trainwreck embroiling the PC edition of HELLDIVERS 2 continues, as SteamDB shows that the third-person shooter is now delisted in a bunch of territories (sympathies to all you gamers in Antarctica). Sony recently announced it will begin enforcing the requirement of a PlayStation Network Account to play, and it looks like the delistings are in countries that do not support the creation of a PSN account. A post from SteamDB adds: "Helldivers 2 is no longer purchasable in 177 countries where PSN is not available (but some are still available like Baltics). This game has now received 215,000 negative reviews." There is unconfirmed speculation on the HELLDIVERS Discord that Spitz is no longer a community manager after reportedly encouraging players to review bomb the game. Delisting the game suggests affected players are probably entitled to refunds. But it may be that all PC gamers are, as an X from Wario64 references this thread saying players are beginning to break through and get refund approvals even if they've played for more than two hours, which is usually a hard limit on Steam refund requests. Word is using the right approach and being persistent is getting results. Here's the summary of the gamer goodwill Sony has squandered here:
Helldivers 2 on Steam is now unable to purchase in numerous countries after it was announced that a PSN login will soon be required.

Steam has also been approving refund requests for players even if they've played over 2 hours
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Re: HELLDIVERS 2 Steam Delistings and Refunds
May 6, 2024, 16:04
Prez
 
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Re: HELLDIVERS 2 Steam Delistings and Refunds May 6, 2024, 16:04
May 6, 2024, 16:04
 Prez
 
Cutter wrote on May 6, 2024, 15:05:
Prez wrote on May 6, 2024, 11:42:
VaranDragon wrote on May 6, 2024, 11:24:
Prez wrote on May 6, 2024, 09:35:
Things like "half of the players got refunds" or "everyone hates Starfield", for example, are either demonstrably not true or highly dubious.

Wait, wait, everyone doesn't hate Starfield? That's news to me....

Haha I was hoping that would get a reaction ๐Ÿ˜

My review for Starfield was simply one word, Shitfield.

I still haven't tried it yet. If they would ever release the official mod tools for it...
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Re: HELLDIVERS 2 Steam Delistings and Refunds
May 6, 2024, 15:05
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Re: HELLDIVERS 2 Steam Delistings and Refunds May 6, 2024, 15:05
May 6, 2024, 15:05
 
Prez wrote on May 6, 2024, 11:42:
VaranDragon wrote on May 6, 2024, 11:24:
Prez wrote on May 6, 2024, 09:35:
Things like "half of the players got refunds" or "everyone hates Starfield", for example, are either demonstrably not true or highly dubious.

Wait, wait, everyone doesn't hate Starfield? That's news to me....

Haha I was hoping that would get a reaction ๐Ÿ˜

My review for Starfield was simply one word, Shitfield.
"Van Gogh painted alone and in despair and in madness and sold one picture in his entire life. Millions struggled alone, unrecognized, and struggled as heroically as any famous hero. Was it worthless? I knew it wasn't."
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Re: HELLDIVERS 2 Steam Delistings and Refunds
May 6, 2024, 11:42
Prez
 
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Re: HELLDIVERS 2 Steam Delistings and Refunds May 6, 2024, 11:42
May 6, 2024, 11:42
 Prez
 
VaranDragon wrote on May 6, 2024, 11:24:
Prez wrote on May 6, 2024, 09:35:
Things like "half of the players got refunds" or "everyone hates Starfield", for example, are either demonstrably not true or highly dubious.

Wait, wait, everyone doesn't hate Starfield? That's news to me....

Haha I was hoping that would get a reaction ๐Ÿ˜
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May 6, 2024, 11:41
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Re: HELLDIVERS 2 Steam Delistings and Refunds May 6, 2024, 11:41
May 6, 2024, 11:41
 
VaranDragon wrote on May 6, 2024, 11:24:
Prez wrote on May 6, 2024, 09:35:
Things like "half of the players got refunds" or "everyone hates Starfield", for example, are either demonstrably not true or highly dubious.

Wait, wait, everyone doesn't hate Starfield? That's news to me....

bRUH CDPR almost went out of business with all refunds they gave out for CP2077. millions and millions of refunds, there is no way some people just made that shit up either. Think about it, CP2077 was abandoned right after release, If it weren't for the lawsuits, they wouild have never even patched that game. It was a scam... remember? but since they got caught, they patched the game, and made it playable.
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May 6, 2024, 11:24
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Re: HELLDIVERS 2 Steam Delistings and Refunds May 6, 2024, 11:24
May 6, 2024, 11:24
 
Prez wrote on May 6, 2024, 09:35:
Things like "half of the players got refunds" or "everyone hates Starfield", for example, are either demonstrably not true or highly dubious.

Wait, wait, everyone doesn't hate Starfield? That's news to me....
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Re: HELLDIVERS 2 Steam Delistings and Refunds
May 6, 2024, 11:02
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Re: HELLDIVERS 2 Steam Delistings and Refunds May 6, 2024, 11:02
May 6, 2024, 11:02
 
Leahi84 wrote on May 6, 2024, 09:44:
I guess large capitalistic companies are as dumb as they are greedy and power hungry.

They thought they could throw their weight around and dictate.

They fracked around and they found out.
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May 6, 2024, 09:44
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Re: HELLDIVERS 2 Steam Delistings and Refunds May 6, 2024, 09:44
May 6, 2024, 09:44
 
Must say that it's kind of ridiculous it took that much of an uproar for a company to walk back on something where the outcome seemed obvious to begin with. I guess large capitalistic companies are as dumb as they are greedy and power hungry. I don't play this game, and have absolutely no interest in it, but this has certainly been interesting/entertaining to read about for sure. I guess I'm glad for things being put right back where they were before the mess, so people can enjoy their game. I wonder how long the mistrust will last though.

On a side note. Fuck corporations, fuck capitalism, and fuck the people and governments that allowed it to be created and thrive.

We're all doomed.

Have a nice day.

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Re: HELLDIVERS 2 Steam Delistings and Refunds
May 6, 2024, 09:35
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Re: HELLDIVERS 2 Steam Delistings and Refunds May 6, 2024, 09:35
May 6, 2024, 09:35
 Prez
 
NKD wrote on May 6, 2024, 02:10:
Kastagir wrote on May 6, 2024, 02:01:
NKD wrote on May 5, 2024, 17:15:
Source?
1. Click link
2. Read
3. Use brain

Which link? None of them say anything about "Over half the player base" being refunded. I'm so fucking sick of everything being just hyperbole on top of hyperbole and any time you call it out all you get back are people tripling down on it.

Having conversations with people is just fucking frustrating and not worth the effort anymore.

I would offer that people will often speak in generalities and absolutes. Things like "half of the players got refunds" or "everyone hates Starfield", for example, are either demonstrably not true or highly dubious. I would suggest that you shouldn't take things as literal as much. You're a highly meticulous and detail-oriented person so I would humbly suggest that this might not be immediately evident to you.

I get frustrated with it as well; I am certainly not an exception. But I always remind myself of this and it brings back my mellow. ๐Ÿ™‚
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Re: HELLDIVERS 2 Steam Delistings and Refunds
May 6, 2024, 09:12
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Re: HELLDIVERS 2 Steam Delistings and Refunds May 6, 2024, 09:12
May 6, 2024, 09:12
 
Darks wrote on May 6, 2024, 08:05:
NKD wrote on May 6, 2024, 02:10:
Kastagir wrote on May 6, 2024, 02:01:
NKD wrote on May 5, 2024, 17:15:
Source?
1. Click link
2. Read
3. Use brain

Which link? None of them say anything about "Over half the player base" being refunded. I'm so fucking sick of everything being just hyperbole on top of hyperbole and any time you call it out all you get back are people tripling down on it.

Having conversations with people is just fucking frustrating and not worth the effort anymore.

Hey, you don't like it, leave, no one is stopping you.

And btw, We won, Sony backed down! PSN linking not happening!

BYE!!!
Sounds like it was written by a 13-year-old. But your sign on date means that you should be a little older than that, odd.

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May 6, 2024, 09:03
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peteham wrote on May 6, 2024, 08:44:
FloorPie wrote on May 6, 2024, 01:15:
Well...apparently 200k or so negative reviews in 48 hours got Sony to wake up and smell the roses. Sony capitulates and admits "its still learning" about the PC world.

https://twitter.com/PlayStation/status/1787331667616829929

https://www.reddit.com/r/Helldivers/comments/1cl9z62/news_from_playstation_themselves/
The right call for sure.

If they wanted to retroactively get people onto their platform, all they had to do was offer some kind of cosmetic for linking. I guarantee most people would sign up. There'd still be some grumbling from the people who categorically refuse and therefore miss out, but not even a candle next to the dumpster fire they started here.
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Re: HELLDIVERS 2 Steam Delistings and Refunds
May 6, 2024, 08:58
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Re: HELLDIVERS 2 Steam Delistings and Refunds May 6, 2024, 08:58
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JTW wrote on May 5, 2024, 23:47:
People seem to be confusing the developer with Sony.

I make no excuses for Sony.

People aren't punishing Sony.

That is true in so many instances. The problem is that there is no way to punish Sony. Or Activision. Or Ubisoft. Or Electronic Arts. Or 2K. Or Microsoft. Or Warner Bros. Or Paradox. Or Nintendo. Or Valve. Or Epic. Or fucking Embracer. (Did I forget anyone?). They are all varying levels of gross, yet completely beyond feeling any backlash whatsoever. The developers will always bare the cost of big company stupidity and greed because big companies don't care. The only way they can be made to care is if they start to lose money. Sony already has the money of millions of gamers. Now they will just be forgiven after a half-hearted walk-back and meaningless statement about "learning" and "promise to do better". No one said life is fair. The lower classes will ALWAYS be punished for the stupidity, callousness, and indifference of the rich. It's the way of the world.
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May 6, 2024, 08:44
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Re: HELLDIVERS 2 Steam Delistings and Refunds May 6, 2024, 08:44
May 6, 2024, 08:44
 
FloorPie wrote on May 6, 2024, 01:15:
Well...apparently 200k or so negative reviews in 48 hours got Sony to wake up and smell the roses. Sony capitulates and admits "its still learning" about the PC world.

https://twitter.com/PlayStation/status/1787331667616829929

https://www.reddit.com/r/Helldivers/comments/1cl9z62/news_from_playstation_themselves/
The right call for sure.

If they wanted to retroactively get people onto their platform, all they had to do was offer some kind of cosmetic for linking. I guarantee most people would sign up. There'd still be some grumbling from the people who categorically refuse and therefore miss out, but not even a candle next to the dumpster fire they started here.
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May 6, 2024, 08:05
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Re: HELLDIVERS 2 Steam Delistings and Refunds May 6, 2024, 08:05
May 6, 2024, 08:05
 
NKD wrote on May 6, 2024, 02:10:
Kastagir wrote on May 6, 2024, 02:01:
NKD wrote on May 5, 2024, 17:15:
Source?
1. Click link
2. Read
3. Use brain

Which link? None of them say anything about "Over half the player base" being refunded. I'm so fucking sick of everything being just hyperbole on top of hyperbole and any time you call it out all you get back are people tripling down on it.

Having conversations with people is just fucking frustrating and not worth the effort anymore.

Hey, you don't like it, leave, no one is stopping you.

And btw, We won, Sony backed down! PSN linking not happening!

BYE!!!
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May 6, 2024, 07:39
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Re: HELLDIVERS 2 Steam Delistings and Refunds May 6, 2024, 07:39
May 6, 2024, 07:39
 
RogueSix wrote on May 6, 2024, 06:51:
Aaawww what a bunch of pussies @ Sony. It was just starting to get really funny!

Don't back down, Sony. DO. IT.

Thanks for that comment TrollSix.

Just confirms and solidifies my previous choice about you.

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May 6, 2024, 06:51
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Re: HELLDIVERS 2 Steam Delistings and Refunds May 6, 2024, 06:51
May 6, 2024, 06:51
 
Aaawww what a bunch of pussies @ Sony. It was just starting to get really funny!

Don't back down, Sony. DO. IT.
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May 6, 2024, 03:42
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Re: HELLDIVERS 2 Steam Delistings and Refunds May 6, 2024, 03:42
May 6, 2024, 03:42
 
FloorPie wrote on May 6, 2024, 01:15:
Sony capitulates and admits "its still learning" about the PC world.

Iows: It's starting to learn that it can't assfrack PC players as easily as console players.
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May 6, 2024, 02:10
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May 6, 2024, 02:10
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Kastagir wrote on May 6, 2024, 02:01:
NKD wrote on May 5, 2024, 17:15:
Source?
1. Click link
2. Read
3. Use brain

Which link? None of them say anything about "Over half the player base" being refunded. I'm so fucking sick of everything being just hyperbole on top of hyperbole and any time you call it out all you get back are people tripling down on it.

Having conversations with people is just fucking frustrating and not worth the effort anymore.
Do you have a single fact to back that up?
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May 6, 2024, 02:04
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May 6, 2024, 02:04
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Staunch wrote on May 6, 2024, 01:17:
And Sony has now backed down: https://twitter.com/PlayStation/status/1787331667616829929
Steam having a proper review system significantly contributed... unlike a certain other store.
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May 6, 2024, 02:01
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May 6, 2024, 02:01
 
NKD wrote on May 5, 2024, 17:15:
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3. Use brain
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May 6, 2024, 01:55
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Staunch wrote on May 6, 2024, 01:17:
And Sony has now backed down: https://twitter.com/PlayStation/status/1787331667616829929

the fact they needed an uproar as loud as this to figure out screwing half your customers was bad shows how upside down and out of touch their values are. all they wanted were the numbers - the PSN boost and the money. we were nothing but numbers to them.
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