I really don't hate miserable shameful Starfield

I think that the best action is to generate the greatest negative consensus blowback possible -every tiny bit helps- to reach Bethesda and make them react out of their disgraceful fall.

And maybe kick out Todd and other remoras.

WannaLogAlready wrote on Apr 30, 2024, 13:36:
I don't get all the hate

I remember one shamefully negative poster here that gave it a 3 out of 10 when the reviews and hype were still positive, such malice.

I'm sure Todd will do his ineffective big eared but deaf best, sad mf that he is.

Some people hate it out of spite, some hate it because they do not like it. Some hate on it because it did not deliver the experience they made up in their heads of what the game was supposed to be. I do not HATE it, but parts of it can stand out as glaring problems.

WannaLogAlready wrote on Apr 30, 2024, 13:36:
I don't get all the hate

I remember one shamefully negative poster here that gave it a 3 out of 10 when the reviews and hype were still positive, such malice.

I'm sure Todd will do his ineffective big eared but deaf best, sad mf that he is.

It's a big, boring game that doesn't deliver any of the things it promised. The story is non-existent and what lore there is is boring, and what is left doesn't even make sense. Ancient temples within eyesight of human settlements that somehow remained unnoticed. Deadly aliens called TerrorMORPHS, despite the fact no one knew they morphed from heatleaches, which of course no one ever bothered to study either. Hell, part of the game does the cardinal sin of literally lore-dumping on you by making you walk through a museum as it regurgitates what little history the world has. But it's not really lore because they're just preambles to different quests in the game.

Leave it to Bethesda to design a game where the most interesting part of the story has already happened in the past, nothing you do really changes anything, and the whole goal is to just say "F IT" and ditch each world for the next one, losing any semblance of connection to the characters and your actions.

Besides that, there is no exploration. Space travel is just a series of loading screens from one skybox to the next, and planets are just random stretches of uninteresting terrain and the same handmade outposts you've seen everywhere else. In either case, RNG is the name of the game of what appears there, so you're never going to find some cool, handcrafted secret hidden on planet X. It'll just be the same variants of human outpost A, B or C that you've seen 100 times before. 2 of which will be the same frozen, abandoned biolab that you've already cleared 10 times already, if not more.

You're also part of a group that supposedly explores the galaxy, but you never actually go outside of known, settled space. Building ships is fun, but ultimately pointless because there's no reason to hang around in space because you can't actually go anywhere, the special ship habs don't do anything meaningful that you can't do anywhere else on land, and the space combat is terrible because against all odds where they ALMOST had a balanced system where lasers, missiles and projectile weapons had their own niche, that's all thrown out of the window with particle beams that do the job of all three better. And your ship is so slow combat just devolves into a DPS test on higher difficulties.

Honestly, I'd say it's baffling how such a big and well known studio can get so much wrong, but as we've seen from others like Ubisoft, it's not rare at all these days.

I guess Bethesda should have just designed a AAAA games instead of a AAA game. 😏

I don't get all the hate

I remember one shamefully negative poster here that gave it a 3 out of 10 when the reviews and hype were still positive, such malice.

I'm sure Todd will do his ineffective big eared but deaf best, sad mf that he is.

Jonny wrote on Apr 30, 2024, 09:53:
I'm not optimistic about this. Starfield was a collection of Bethesda at their worst, dull, uninspired, awful empty characters and inconsistent, mind-blowingly bad writing.

The sooner Todd Howard retires and Bethesda can move on from the stranglehold he obviously has on their development the better.

Agreed, but I feel bad about it. He's obviously passionate about making games, but their game engine is strongly holding them back, and his game direction just feels pretty dated now.

Will they have "stuff" that makes me want to even think about trying the game again?

because so far... hell no.

I'm done with Bethesda and I'm done (again) with buying any Premium (or non-Premium) editions before a game is fully patched and complete with all DLCs and season passes fully delivered etc.

Lesson learned. I too got lured in again by the choo-choo! hype train and pre-purchased that mess called Starfield. At least I didn’t choose the Premium edition. Admittedly, they fooled me once but whatever update or DLC they may release, I won’t spend another cent on this game.

I'm not optimistic about this. Starfield was a collection of Bethesda at their worst, dull, uninspired, awful empty characters and inconsistent, mind-blowingly bad writing.

The sooner Todd Howard retires and Bethesda can move on from the stranglehold he obviously has on their development the better.

VaranDragon wrote on Apr 30, 2024, 05:10:

RogueSix wrote on Apr 30, 2024, 02:44:

I'm not buying anything . Shattered Space is a part of the Premium Edition of Starfield that I bought last year and like every Premium Edition owner I will get it for "free".

Why would you buy a premium edition of anything? Especially a premium edition of a Bethesda game of all things.

Because I was still young and naive last year .

Well, seriously, I guess curiosity got the better of me. I was really curious what Bethesda would do with a new franchise and I actually like space games on principle so I bought a key from GMG for €81.99.

2023 was a year when I made an exception from my rule of only buying complete editions on sale and I got fucked with every single release from BG3 to JA3 to Starfield to Hogwarts to Shadow Gambit . I gave the industry a fair chance to convince me that buying games on release is OK again and the industry failed me on all fronts so that won't happen again.

I'm done with Bethesda and I'm done (again) with buying any Premium (or non-Premium) editions before a game is fully patched and complete with all DLCs and season passes fully delivered etc.

Parts of the game need to be torn out and replaced to fix it. Instead of infinite procedural planets. Limit it to certain planets and limit that to densely packed higher detailed points of interest. For example.

Even NMS gets eye wateringly boring after you planet hop enough. And Starfield has even less going for it then NMS does.

And that’s coming from a deluxe edition buyer. I liked the game enough, gave me 180 hours of a good enough time. I want it to be awesome. I still want my Cowboy Bebop style world out of this.

Assuming it doesn't just completely fold...
They're chasing NMS's attempts at things, it feels like, but they're probably going to DLC/Microtransact it to hell, as opposed to all the free expansions/updates Hello Games have just been cranking out.

RogueSix wrote on Apr 30, 2024, 02:44:

I'm not buying anything . Shattered Space is a part of the Premium Edition of Starfield that I bought last year and like every Premium Edition owner I will get it for "free".

Why would you buy a premium edition of anything? Especially a premium edition of a Bethesda game of all things.

VaranDragon wrote on Apr 30, 2024, 02:40:

RogueSix wrote on Apr 30, 2024, 02:28:
I hope they hurry the fuck up so I can finally uninstall this mediocrity. Shattered Space will be the last and final "game" of Bethesda that I will ever play.

Shits on game developer and it's terrible games, proceeds to buy their new game.

/facepalm

I'm not buying anything . Shattered Space is a part of the Premium Edition of Starfield that I bought last year and like every Premium Edition owner I will get it for "free".

RogueSix wrote on Apr 30, 2024, 02:28:
I hope they hurry the fuck up so I can finally uninstall this mediocrity. Shattered Space will be the last and final "game" of Bethesda that I will ever play.

Shits on game developer and it's terrible games, proceeds to buy their new game.

/facepalm

sauron wrote on Apr 29, 2024, 21:19:
Is this the patch that makes it good?

absolutely required comment at this point.

I hope they hurry the fuck up so I can finally uninstall this mediocrity. Shattered Space will be the last and final "game" of Bethesda that I will ever play.

Promises, promises... When do sect leaders, dictators, snake oil salesmen deliver on their promises? Soon. Always soon. In reality: never.

Please prove me wrong, Todd Howard. I hope to be wrong. I played and finished Starfield and had fun with some big side missions. The main mission was very lame, though. I will be coming back for better new quests, though. So, please, deliver. Do not be selling bridges here, please.

Not sure that taking the better half of a year to make city maps is a good brag there.

I kind of wonder if the Starfield maintenance team got moved over to Fallout when they realized they had a hit on their hands with the show.

Stuff just works.

Is this the patch that makes it good?