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Re: Quoteworthy
Apr 16, 2024, 07:37
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Re: Quoteworthy Apr 16, 2024, 07:37
Apr 16, 2024, 07:37
 
As long as I can, instead of money, give them a verbal tip. How to improve the pile of shit I just paid $70 for.
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Re: Quoteworthy
Apr 15, 2024, 11:04
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Re: Quoteworthy Apr 15, 2024, 11:04
Apr 15, 2024, 11:04
 
Just remember that Mike Ybarra was made CEO/president of Blizzard by Bobby Kotick in an effort to make the studio more profitable (as well as tightening his control).

And if a major studio did add some sort of tipping mechanic to a game, at least 99.9% of that money would go to the executives and shareholders.
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Re: Quoteworthy
Apr 15, 2024, 07:15
Prez
 
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Re: Quoteworthy Apr 15, 2024, 07:15
Apr 15, 2024, 07:15
 Prez
 
Personally I'm not seeing the advancement of tip culture being his main intention in saying this - it is an already well-established concept in business today. He doesn't need to advance it really, although I will admit that if this is his main goal it was a horrible attempt.

$70 games of course will happen. I imagine that if we live long enough, $80, $90, or $100 games will happen. It's the part where he is ignoring the fact that games are already more expensive today than they were when they were $60 in the 90's that I take issue with.

No, my ability to math didn't just shit the bed. Think of your favorite game and look at all the ways money can be made off of it. If it is simply the upfront purchase price, you found one of a long-dying breed in gaming. Truth is, I actually preferred, in theory, the method of optional add-on content to price increases since the extra expenditures are optional for everyone, providing for a somewhat variable price based on what you could afford. That's not how things ended up however. To suggest that game prices have "stayed the same since the 90's" only works if you ignore every way publishers have found to supplement their income. You may pay only the base price and nothing else, but rest assured that you are in the minority. The company in question is seeing huge profit revenue gains as compared to past eras in gaming. I find the suggestion that poor, starving, altruistic companies are just so nice to you insulting myself. I will buy games for whatever they charge... until I decide it's not worth it anymore. I've already done that with Blizzard and Activision games, and I will never buy a Ubisoft game for anything less than a 50% discount for example. Everyone has a threshold of tolerance. These companies are in a race to uncover everyone's apparently.

EDIT : I changed "profit" to "revenue" because corporate mentality is one of reckless growth and razor-thin profit margins regardless of how much more they are making today. The short-sighted view of how to succeed in business is baffling considering that these are supposed to be the experts in business.

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Re: Quoteworthy
Apr 15, 2024, 06:42
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Re: Quoteworthy Apr 15, 2024, 06:42
Apr 15, 2024, 06:42
 
What a pretentious entitled rich person, if he has so much disposable income and wants to reward a company, just buy some stock in it.

Game company CEO's seem like normal people till they open their mouths and reveal just how out of touch the are with customers.

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Re: Quoteworthy
Apr 15, 2024, 05:15
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Re: Quoteworthy Apr 15, 2024, 05:15
Apr 15, 2024, 05:15
 
I thought buying post-release DLC was a tip? Well F this clown anyhow. Tip culture as a supplement to a working wage is garbage even at its roots.
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Re: Quoteworthy
Apr 14, 2024, 21:58
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Re: Quoteworthy Apr 14, 2024, 21:58
Apr 14, 2024, 21:58
 
Prez wrote on Apr 14, 2024, 12:27:
He isn't only pushing forth the ideal behind the toxic way tips are regarded by corporate cretins, but when I talk about companies changing the narrative this is a perfect example. He is not only pushing the '$70 is normal' narrative, but as people and entities are apt to do when trying to normalize craziness he pushes right past it to now say "gee, how I wish I could even tip more than $70 because the game was just oh so good."

$70 games are going to happen because gamers are, by and large, just like everyone else. Dipshits who can't survive life without instant gratification. I'm not saying that with any moral superiority, either. I, too, sometimes fall prone to that dipshit behavior.

But it really is about pushing the toxic tipping agenda to suppress wages and get out of paying bonuses because "You get tips". Don't be sidetracked by anything else.

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RedEye9 wrote on Apr 14, 2024, 20:46:
The secret is to do like Walmart does. Work them for 36 hours, that way there's no possibility of them accidentally getting overtime, and at the same time point them to the food stamps office.

It's more than just overtime. At 36 hours, you do not qualify for benefits so places like Walmart do not have to pay for health insurance, STD or LTD insurance, and so forth.

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Re: Quoteworthy
Apr 14, 2024, 20:46
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Re: Quoteworthy Apr 14, 2024, 20:46
Apr 14, 2024, 20:46
 
GothicWizard wrote on Apr 14, 2024, 20:17:
Burrito of Peace wrote on Apr 14, 2024, 12:20:
Fuck off. Toxic tipping culture is being pushed so that employers don't have to pay livable wages to people.

LOUDER for the people in the back... aka those on the political right who seem to think it's ok for someone to work 40 hrs and still live in poverty.
The secret is to do like Walmart does. Work them for 36 hours, that way there's no possibility of them accidentally getting overtime, and at the same time point them to the food stamps office.
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Re: Quoteworthy
Apr 14, 2024, 20:17
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Re: Quoteworthy Apr 14, 2024, 20:17
Apr 14, 2024, 20:17
 
Burrito of Peace wrote on Apr 14, 2024, 12:20:
Fuck off. Toxic tipping culture is being pushed so that employers don't have to pay livable wages to people.

LOUDER for the people in the back... aka those on the political right who seem to think it's ok for someone to work 40 hrs and still live in poverty.
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Re: Quoteworthy
Apr 14, 2024, 19:29
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Re: Quoteworthy Apr 14, 2024, 19:29
Apr 14, 2024, 19:29
 
Yeah, and how much do you want to bet that these "tips" would ever make it to the staff in the first place? And how would you decide what's fair? The coder making 250K per, platinum benefits package and preferred stock options or the virtual slave working in QA for minimum wage and zero benefits or stock options should split it equally? How much fucking money did Blizzard make last year? What an incredible asshole. He deserves to be punched in the face repeatedly for even suggesting such a thing.
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Re: Quoteworthy
Apr 14, 2024, 18:09
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Re: Quoteworthy Apr 14, 2024, 18:09
Apr 14, 2024, 18:09
 

I normally tip a couple chests full of doubloons before I even play a $70 dollar game.
Of course, that tip can more than quadruple if I like the game.

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Re: Quoteworthy
Apr 14, 2024, 18:05
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Apr 14, 2024, 18:05
 
Lul! What game costs $70? What makes it worthy of that exorbitant price?
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Re: Quoteworthy
Apr 14, 2024, 17:20
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Re: Quoteworthy Apr 14, 2024, 17:20
Apr 14, 2024, 17:20
 
We don't eat at the same Restaurants.
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Re: Quoteworthy
Apr 14, 2024, 16:03
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Re: Quoteworthy Apr 14, 2024, 16:03
Apr 14, 2024, 16:03
 
Sure thing! I'm full of all sorts of tips. "You can eat and drink at the same time! Don't stand in the fire! An item with its name in gray is a poor quality item and generally can be sold to a vendor." And so many more, including classics like "Don't take wooden nickles!"
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Re: Quoteworthy
Apr 14, 2024, 15:55
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Re: Quoteworthy Apr 14, 2024, 15:55
Apr 14, 2024, 15:55
 
Most amount of profit for least amount of effort. "aaa" studio ( Lets be honest, b- at best) checks out.
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Re: Quoteworthy
Apr 14, 2024, 14:40
Nucas
 
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Re: Quoteworthy Apr 14, 2024, 14:40
Apr 14, 2024, 14:40
 Nucas
 
there's probably a critique to be made here of blizzard's culture probably having minimal emphasis on employee recognition, so monetary reward is the only way mike ybarra can think of to express how "special" and "touching" a title he played was.

like how about send an email or something dude.

it wouldn't surprise me if some expose about blizzard makes mention of a toxic bonus chasing culture.
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Re: Quoteworthy
Apr 14, 2024, 13:49
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Re: Quoteworthy Apr 14, 2024, 13:49
Apr 14, 2024, 13:49
 
Prez wrote on Apr 14, 2024, 11:55:
None of the games that I have felt to be worth tipping for were $70 games, and none of them were recent AAA games.

'I wish I could give these folks another $10 or $20 because it was worth more than my initial $70 and they didn't try to nickel and dime me every second.'

Well you definitely just ruled out your former company's games regardless of price.

I dropped 5 bucks on Helldivers 2 so I didn't have to grind supercredits for a warbond to get a gun I wanted. I have absolutely no problem dropping 5 bucks on some content I could 100% get in a reasonable amount of time (I'm at 950 supercredits for the next warbond without paying any more money) playing a game that I legitimately really like. But as you said, that's probably an AA game and was like, 40 bucks. If the gameplay loop appeals to you it's a *lot* of value and I'm enjoying the story that they're telling.
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Re: Quoteworthy
Apr 14, 2024, 13:01
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Re: Quoteworthy Apr 14, 2024, 13:01
Apr 14, 2024, 13:01
 
The only tip I leave any game developer is the fact that if I like a game they've done, I might just buy another--but definitely not for $70...;) Contrary to some opinions, greed is not good.
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Re: Quoteworthy
Apr 14, 2024, 12:27
Prez
 
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Re: Quoteworthy Apr 14, 2024, 12:27
Apr 14, 2024, 12:27
 Prez
 
He isn't only pushing forth the ideal behind the toxic way tips are regarded by corporate cretins, but when I talk about companies changing the narrative this is a perfect example. He is not only pushing the '$70 is normal' narrative, but as people and entities are apt to do when trying to normalize craziness he pushes right past it to now say "gee, how I wish I could even tip more than $70 because the game was just oh so good." He even advances the fallacy that you aren't being nickeled and dimed to death by saying the very insidious "you're not nickeled and dimed every second". As if anything less than 60 attempts a minute is somehow a good thing by way of comparison. Thanks for the blatant example of what I have been saying for years.
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Re: Quoteworthy
Apr 14, 2024, 12:20
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Re: Quoteworthy Apr 14, 2024, 12:20
Apr 14, 2024, 12:20
 
Fuck off. Toxic tipping culture is being pushed so that employers don't have to pay livable wages to people.
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Re: Quoteworthy
Apr 14, 2024, 12:19
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Re: Quoteworthy Apr 14, 2024, 12:19
Apr 14, 2024, 12:19
 
Eh? If you really liked a game that much then just buy another copy of the same game on a different platform (maybe on sale later on if you do not want to spend another $70). Problem solved. Also, quite a few games already offer so called "fan support" DLC that is actually very much like a tip. It is up to the developer or publisher to make use of that possibility.
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