Out of the Blue

So yesterday mentioned we have plans brewing. This is something I alluded to last week when wishing my mother-in-law a happy birthday. We're heading down to Atlanta for the weekend to celebrate with her in-person. This will be our first time on an airplane since before the pandemic, so it carries an air of drama. Not many people look forward to flying, but we are happy about the chance to spend some overdue family time. The fact that it's about 30 degrees warmer there than here these days is another nice aspect of the plan. I picked up a bit of tech to help with updating on the road, as the market for portable monitors has blossomed since I last looked, and I was able to find a cheap second screen that connects effortlessly via USB. I hate the limited screen-size of working on a laptop, and this should help with that a lot.

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Feb 24, 2024, 00:17
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Re: OotB: Prescreened Feb 24, 2024, 00:17
Feb 24, 2024, 00:17
 
Thank you very much for the compliment, Beamer. It is appreciated. If I am going to apply myself to something, I want to be the best at it that I can be.

I will say this. I have never had a dog that was just a pet. All of my dogs have been working dogs with jobs who also happened to be pets. Up until my current dog, they were all herding dogs because as I have mentioned previously, my family has a ranch. So I grew up with the understanding that you must spend a great deal of time, energy, and effort to train a dog to do what you want.

My current dog was no different. We sought a trainer because I had never trained a service dog previously. Since my current pup was for the safety, assistance, and protection of my wife, I did not want to learn as I went.

There is a huge difference in her attitude and behavior from when she's in "I'm just hanging with Dad and enjoying life" mode and "I am on the job and performing the tasks I know are required of me" mode. For example, this past Sunday we were headed out to my parents for the usual Sunday family dinner. She was loping along at my side, bouncing happily on her paws, and her tail wagging a thousand miles a minute. Across from me is a wooded area. A feral dog came bursting out of the undergrowth, barking its ass off, and her attitude instantly changed. She immediately got in front of me, put her butt firmly against my legs, and leaned forward. Her ears were up and forward and she was growling softly. It was a warning growl to the other dog. When the dog shifted directions, she did too to keep it front facing to her and to continually put herself between the feral dog and I. The feral got the message and took back off in to the undergrowth. She then sat at my feet, looked up and over her shoulder at me, and waited for her release command. I gave it to her and she sprang right back in to her usual, relaxed self.

All of that is training and it was done, in part, with a stim collar.

As I said upthread, a tool is just a tool and shitty owners are going to be shitty owners. Blame the human, not the tool.
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“Man was born free, and he is everywhere in chains” -Jean-Jacques Rousseau
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Re: OotB: Prescreened
Feb 23, 2024, 09:52
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Re: OotB: Prescreened Feb 23, 2024, 09:52
Feb 23, 2024, 09:52
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You are a pretty fart smella smart fella Beamer. Whatever you call them, stim collars or shock collars, aren't by themselves bad or good. They are just a tool, and can be misused like most any tool.
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Feb 23, 2024, 09:00
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Re: OotB: Prescreened Feb 23, 2024, 09:00
Feb 23, 2024, 09:00
 
As a caveat, I am not a dog owner, but I am someone that has done a lot of research into how to have a good dog.

I'd say there are two types of people. One is the type of person to have no real experience, and have done no research beyond articles that stimulate preconceived biases, and the other is the type of person with very deep knowledge and experience.

For the former, stim collars are a disaster. Stim collars require significant training by the human to be used properly. For the latter, he has taken the time to learn what the dog needs and how the dog behaves.

But this also gets to what someone wants from a dog. For most people, obedience and good boy behavior. You do not need a stim collar for that. You likely need a prong collar, which is better for behavior correction than a stim collar. But then again, a lot of people just want "a dog" and stop caring beyond that.

If you're a genuine dog expert, you don't want simple obedience and good behavior, you want an amazingly trained dog that almost instinctively knows what your needs are. In this case, graduating the dog onto a stim collar is an excellent way to achieve it. You're not shocking the dog, and you're not buzzing them in a confusing manner. You're guiding them. But the dog needs to already be fairly well trained for it to work best, whereas a prong collar fairly instinctively works on nearly any dog when used correctly, calming them down and helping them be their best dog selves.

So yeah, if you have no idea what you're doing and just think you know dogs and stim collars, they're probably a disaster that creates distrust. But if you're an expert, it can basically help make you and the dog be one and the same, the way the best working dogs are but few house dogs are due to the time and effort it takes the owner to actually be an expert himself. And I think we all know that, when Burrito wants to be an expert in something, he tends to get there.
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Re: Morning Legal Briefs
Feb 23, 2024, 08:54
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Re: Morning Legal Briefs Feb 23, 2024, 08:54
Feb 23, 2024, 08:54
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German Shepherds are on the high end of the natural aggression scale. They need proper training and being one of the smartest dog breeds in existence, that is very easy to do. They take to training extremely well and their behavior is 1000% better. It's likely that he was in the wrong environment for him. I'd take him in a heartbeat. Well, my old self would anyway.
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Feb 23, 2024, 06:14
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Feb 23, 2024, 06:14
 
The plural of LEGO is LEGO, there's no S on the end.
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Cutter wrote on Feb 22, 2024, 21:05:
It's not rocket science. Shock collars traumatize dogs and make them much worse - more aggressive. If you can't do it without it, give up the dog to someone who can.

It's not rocket science. In fact, it's not even settled science.

I'd ask how many dogs you have professionally trained to come up with your declarative statement.

Steven Lindsay, on the other hand, a recognized expert on canine behavior, training, and learning has written three volumes on the psychology of our canine friends that are pretty widely cited in everything I found has published that stim collars (which are not "shock" collars despite the sensationalist claims and appeals to emotion that would characterize them as such) are effective aversion techniques for unwanted and negative behavior. Moreover, there is zero...and I will repeat that...zero evidence that shows a direct correlation between aggression and the use of stim collars in a study with a sample size large enough to be statistically significant. The plural of anecdote is not data, no matter how many people post on Facebook.

I also do not buy for one nanosecond that the use of stim collars teaches your dog to be afraid of you as the links in your Google search want to suggest. Mine certainly isn't. She sasses me on the regular (but still does as she is asked). In fact, she's so terrified of me that her favorite thing in the universe is to hang outside with me at every possible second. Her second favorite thing to do is droop all 55 pounds of herself across my lap in the evenings. Can't see a semi-permanently frightened dog doing that.

A three tier system is inarguably the better methodology. Aversion, praise, and reward. It also helps the dog to learn to differentiate between when they are on the job and when they are in pet mode. I love my dog as my best four legged buddy but she's also a tool that I use when needed. A clear delineation in duties taught by that three tier methodology has been a wonderful and positive experience for man, woman, and dog. You can rest assured that I will again be using that exact same methodology once I adopt another dog as a companion for my current dog.
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Feb 22, 2024, 21:05
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Re: OotB: Prescreened Feb 22, 2024, 21:05
Feb 22, 2024, 21:05
 
How to train a dog without a shock collar

It's not rocket science. Shock collars traumatize dogs and make them much worse - more aggressive. If you can't do it without it, give up the dog to someone who can.
"Van Gogh painted alone and in despair and in madness and sold one picture in his entire life. Millions struggled alone, unrecognized, and struggled as heroically as any famous hero. Was it worthless? I knew it wasn't."
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Feb 22, 2024, 20:54
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Feb 22, 2024, 20:54
 
I have a dog in Burma. I actually don't like dogs. However, this puppy came into my yard when I was getting food delivered. He was bitten by some type of snake and his neck/face was swollen. So I took him to the vet, got him vaccines, fixed etc., and the little fucker keeps destroying my yard. My house is a rental so I've been constantly repairing the damage the dog is causing (It is a Burmese built house, so basically everything is half-assed and already easy to wreck). He's also managed to kill several animals (wildlife and chickens etc) that wandered into my yard. I've had my yard totally fenced etc., but wildlife is pretty fecund here and apparently chickens can fly high enough to get over the barbed wire fence. He's also chewed up the front bumper of my (rental) car, the seatbelt once it was sticking out (my bad but still), the side view mirrors (replaced twice now), my water pump's power, my pvc pipes for my water hose (again shoddy Burmese Engineering is partially to blame) and more.

So I've decided to get a shock collar because:

-no dog trainers in my city
-my work/revolutionary schedule is basically 7 days a week + lots of travel, my only downtime is when I get injured/sick.

Anyways, my point is that I looked for help dealing with this behavioural issue but every site/expert I found had answers that did not apply to my situation (third world country, civil war, no services etc). I even thought of giving him up for adoption, but only for a foreigner. Burmese people love animals, but their idea of responsible ownership is not my idea. Thus I'm keeping the dog as I don't want him to have a lower quality of life. But yea, I am going to get a shock collar because I can't train him (he is stubborn as fuck) and I can't find any trainers. I don't really want to zap him, but I think its preferable to say, him biting the power cord on my generator outside and dying.

It's pretty easy to judge the actions of others when you don't know their situation fully.
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Feb 22, 2024, 19:41
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Feb 22, 2024, 19:41
 
Safe travels Blue.
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Feb 22, 2024, 18:35
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Cutter wrote on Feb 22, 2024, 18:03:
When I see people who put shock collars on their dogs - like my neighbor did - because they're too stupid, lazy, and cheap to get their dogs trained properly I want to seem imprisoned for several years and banned from ever owning any kind of pet ever again.

Then sign me up for prison and go ahead and try to ban me from ever owning a dog ever again. We used a Martin Systems stim collar based upon the advice of our trainer, a well regarded former MP K9 trainer and current service dog trainer. It's about as "shocking" as a TENS unit on a moderate setting at its highest setting. Never had to use a setting that high. My dog never yelped or whined but it certainly got her attention and helped sharply curb negative behavior. To the point she doesn't exhibit that behavior today. If I break out the collar today, she hustles up to sit at my feet with her ears up and forward and tail at a comfortable, at rest position. She loves training time and she immediately associates that particular collar with training time. It's fun for her. Because Mrs. Burrito had Meniere's Disease, hand signals were an absolute must. The stim collar helped my pup focus and learn those signals at a rate of about 4 a day with retention and recall. She can even piece together five signals in a row for a complex (for a dog) sequence of actions.

Are there shitty owners? Hell yeah there are. I'll never take my pup to a dog park because of them. But it is unfair to blame the tool for the shortcoming of the owners.
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Commander needs some proper training. When we took our German Shepherds for training the guy who was doing it was an ex-K9 cop. They were trained properly. How to heel, hand signals, not to chase prey animals, not to take food from strangers, etc. And all done with mostly positive reinforcement and minimal negative. When I see people who put shock collars on their dogs - like my neighbor did - because they're too stupid, lazy, and cheap to get their dogs trained properly I want to seem imprisoned for several years and banned from ever owning any kind of pet ever again.

I worked quite a bit with Tit Oxide in the past and my understanding was that, while not beneficial, it wasn't at all harmful either - same for any oxide for that matter, unless you're eating it directly by the spoonful and why would you?

Boeing needs to fire it's current money bro C-Suite and replace them with engineers once again - you know, like when Boeing made good products.


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Feb 22, 2024, 17:45
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Feb 22, 2024, 17:45
 
Hey Blue, are you gonna' go to the Georgia Aquarium? I hear that's one of the best ones out there. I've read their High Museum of Art is pretty good too. And don't forget, while on the plane listen, "Midnight Train to Georgia", "Rainy Night in Georgia", "Georgia On My Mind", "The Night the Lights Went Out in Georgia", "The Devil Went Down to Georgia", and of course anything by the Atlanta Rhythm Section.

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Feb 22, 2024, 17:40
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Feb 22, 2024, 17:40
 
Hope you and Mrs Blue got the RSV vaccine, it's still a bit shaky out there? Nervous
rsv outbreak 2024

I wear a KN95 in public and still caught it Jan 16 first symptom. It gave me a yuky week and 2nd week of bleh but mostly gone after 2 weeks.
I could have sworn RSV was in the yearly Flu shot but nope it's separate and there's a shortage so only going to Infants and 60+, iirc.
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Feb 22, 2024, 16:41
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Rectal Prolapse wrote on Feb 22, 2024, 14:17:
I've used many of the strategies to 'train' my dog not to be a biter:

For some reason, when I skimmed this, I added a "appear" right after the "not" to read as "I've used many of the strategies to 'train' my dog not appear to be a biter"

It was pretty funny thinking of training your dog to ninja bite people.
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Re: OotB: Boeing ousts 737 MAX chief in shake-up as blowout fallout mounts.
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Feb 22, 2024, 15:22
 
Correct me if I am wrong, but wasn't the new Boeing 737 MAX planes that don't just randomly crash into the earth or fall apart in flight, the product of some new streamlined AI enhanced designee process that saved a ton of money? hummmmm?

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Feb 22, 2024, 14:17
 
I've used many of the strategies to 'train' my dog not to be a biter:
https://pupford.com/stop-puppy-biting-fast/
and
https://www.akc.org/expert-advice/training/stop-puppy-biting/

Yelling, "OWWWW!" when my puppy bit me made him let go - his eyes bulged wide at the same time. It was quite hilarious. Thankfully he learned not to sink his razor-sharp puppy teeth into me at that point. He was heavily socialized weekly at doggy socialization classes, and also was exposed to a lot of humans at places like massage therapy clinics, veterinarian clinics, etc.

I just wish I exposed him to my sister's other pets as a puppy - bunnies and birds. He still goes crazy when he sees them. "They're friends, not food!"
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Blue wrote on Feb 22, 2024, 12:01:
sauron wrote on Feb 22, 2024, 11:15:
Portable monitor link? Thank you!
Sure, with the caveats that:
1) These are commodity items, so I just shopped for price and features. They have them bigger and smaller at higher and lower resolutions and run between about $75 and $200. Almost all have Chinese names, and if any of them is an actual brand apologies, but it all seems like a crapshoot. There are name-brand models for more, but I'm guessing this will be just fine for my modest needs.
2) I haven't worked with it at all yet, I just confirmed it operates properly (it was plug and play) and looked okay.

But yeah, drawing power and video through the USB with no extra effort is a little like tech magic. Here's the link:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0C8J9VB27

Thanks, interested to see how it performs. Could also use it with a Deck/Switch (via HDMI) and controller depending on weight.
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The article said 20+ bites were on secret service alone. Almost guaranteed that there are more bites on non secret service personnel.

That is ... completely insane. I'd put my own dog down well before reaching double digit incidents.
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Meanwhile if my dog bit anyone once but certainly after a 2nd or 3rd bite would be ordered put down.
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Commander barking: "If those Secret Service guys would just not taste so GREAT!"
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