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Re: Quoteworthy
Dec 14, 2023, 12:38
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Re: Quoteworthy Dec 14, 2023, 12:38
Dec 14, 2023, 12:38
 
Crying out, "Think of the game devs!", is hardly mitigating the fact that Starfield is not the game many thought and\or hoped it would be. When the publisher\developer of a game decides to go after detractors, it's pretty telling.
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Re: Quoteworthy
Dec 14, 2023, 13:07
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Re: Quoteworthy Dec 14, 2023, 13:07
Dec 14, 2023, 13:07
 
Hey game development is hard, we get it. Doesn't excuse releasing a worse version of the same game you've been making for 20 years. Starfield features some absolutely puzzling downgrades from prior entries - lack of proper maps, less companion quests, fewer factions, more procedurally generated content, more loading and so on. It sucks to work hard and get criticized but that's life. If I turn in mediocre work then I get called out for it by customers, rightfully so. Stop sucking and do better, no point in blaming customers.

If anything Starfield's metacritic rating is overly generous and the community was fair to the game. Bethesda gets a lot of slack for their shortcomings and outdated engine because people assume the community will address them with mods. The trouble with Starfield is that many modders have no passion for the game and no desire to work on it.

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Re: Quoteworthy
Dec 14, 2023, 13:23
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Re: Quoteworthy Dec 14, 2023, 13:23
Dec 14, 2023, 13:23
 
So many things in Starfield just don't make any sense.
  • You can open your inventory with one keystroke, yet you have to tab through 5 screens to get back to the game. Did no one ask whether this makes sense?
  • NPCs only react when someone takes damage, yet children are immune to all damage. You can unload a full magazine into a child in front of a guard and they don't react (though the child flees). Did no one ask whether this makes any sense?
  • On PC (apparently not on XBox) the player character holds melee weapons like the UC Saber backwards. Did no one look at this to see if it was correct? How does it get broken only on PC?
  • The jump distance of ships is limited, seemingly to get players to invest in a skill tree, yet there is no refueling mechanic in the game beyond landing on a planet. Did no one ask whether this makes sense?
What's the point of these questions? They would have all been answered and addressed if someone were responsible for maintaining a central design document - you know, the thing that every other developer making games insists on to make sure that designers on different parts of the game know what core features are required to be in the game in order to insure that their work ties in with the overall product. Yet Emil Pagliarulo insists that design documents are not necessary at Bethesda Game Studios and now he's complaining about criticism. Go figure.

Maybe if you had a central design specification that you kept up to date so everyone could work with it you wouldn't end up with a disjointed game that leaves so many feeling disappointed. Maybe if you used a more modern game engine you wouldn't have to make so many compromises. Not your decision? Then don't use having to make concessions as an excuse for using woefully outdated technology.

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Re: Quoteworthy
Dec 14, 2023, 14:19
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Re: Quoteworthy Dec 14, 2023, 14:19
Dec 14, 2023, 14:19
 
The ignorant call out the developers as the problem, without understanding that the developers don’t get to choose what they program, they do what they are assigned to do according to the specification being provided.

The educated blame the management, and make notes of who they are, and assume anything they work on it the future will be equally as messed up, and avoid products they contribute to producing.

Sadly everyone keeps targeting the workers instead of the decision makers. If you’re one of those that protests outside of people houses, choose the right house please.
I should be coding.
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Re: Quoteworthy
Dec 14, 2023, 14:43
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Re: Quoteworthy Dec 14, 2023, 14:43
Dec 14, 2023, 14:43
 
Sure and this guy is literally the design director of the game
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Re: Quoteworthy
Dec 14, 2023, 14:52
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Re: Quoteworthy Dec 14, 2023, 14:52
Dec 14, 2023, 14:52
 
Pagliarulo: "Shit happens", not my fault !

Also, "Whoever needed design documents, hah, I can do this with my eyes closed !"
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Re: Quoteworthy
Dec 14, 2023, 14:55
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Re: Quoteworthy Dec 14, 2023, 14:55
Dec 14, 2023, 14:55
 
Oh we don't know, well why don't you tell us Einstein.
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Re: Quoteworthy
Dec 14, 2023, 15:53
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Re: Quoteworthy Dec 14, 2023, 15:53
Dec 14, 2023, 15:53
 
Is this a more polite version of "Fuck those Assholes"? I mean, he is not wrong. Gamers for the most part know fuckall about game design, but even dumbass gamers catch on eventually, if you keep on feeding them turds.
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Re: Quoteworthy
Dec 14, 2023, 15:55
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Re: Quoteworthy Dec 14, 2023, 15:55
Dec 14, 2023, 15:55
 
What a baby. Let's start with a simple question, Emil. We all know that the most popular Skyrim mod of all time is SkyUI. So, over a decade later, why is Starfield's UI yet again a complete clusterfuck?

And we could continue this list quite a bit with very common complaints concerning EVERY single one of BGS' releases. Stop crying about "GAME DEVELOPMENT IS TEH HARD AND U DONT UNNERSTAND MEEEEE" and start listening to your fucking customers that you like to ridicule. It is this exact level of snobbish high horse attitude and arrogance and your complete refusal to listen and learn that is pissing off your players.
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Re: Quoteworthy
Dec 14, 2023, 16:02
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Re: Quoteworthy Dec 14, 2023, 16:02
Dec 14, 2023, 16:02
 
Aww, that's mean , Blue. Back in the day my main sites were here, Adrenaline Vault and Voodoo Extreme - I still miss Billy. Emil was a good editor. I always like his and Pete Hines work. And his track record as a game developer has been pretty damn good on the whole. I agree with everyone else however that this is way off the mark. The class move is to apologize, listen and try and make things better going forward. The whole 'Life is hard and you clowns don't understand our genius' isn't a good look on anyone. I think the problem wasn't so much from the design side as the production side. It sounds more like management was looking to cut development costs and started pushing for more streamlined crap like radiant quests and to just get the thing out the door. It's not like anyone doesn't know a game that's a mile wide and an inch deep isn't going to floor anyone.
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Re: Quoteworthy
Dec 14, 2023, 16:31
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Re: Quoteworthy Dec 14, 2023, 16:31
Dec 14, 2023, 16:31
 
I think gamers are taking his xeet way out of context 😂 He's actually agreeing with everyone's frustration (that he admits having as well), but wants to reinforce the notion that if you don't work in the business, or on the development team, then you don't know why things played out the way they did (whether good or bad). It's that simple and he's correct. Sure, you can speculate all you want, but you don't actually know. Everyone's a loudmouth armchair-(fill in the blank) on the Internet. Why are people asking him to apologize? Apologize for what? 🤣
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Re: Quoteworthy
Dec 14, 2023, 16:34
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Re: Quoteworthy Dec 14, 2023, 16:34
Dec 14, 2023, 16:34
 
Not asking him to apologize. Also not going to be silent because this developer (BGS, not this individual) has a history of taking silence as praise. And I don't want them to ruin TES6, so the message I'd convey to them is this: you must do better.
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Re: Quoteworthy
Dec 14, 2023, 17:17
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Re: Quoteworthy Dec 14, 2023, 17:17
Dec 14, 2023, 17:17
 
Just don't buy the game if that many people don't like it.
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Re: Quoteworthy
Dec 14, 2023, 19:15
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Re: Quoteworthy Dec 14, 2023, 19:15
Dec 14, 2023, 19:15
 
This is somewhat a social media problem. I can completely understand this guy's frustration, but it's probably way worse to have random assholes from all over the planet tweeting at you about your video game, and you are just supposed to sit there and take it? Of course these guys talk back sometimes to defend themselves against global criticism, deserved or otherwise.
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Re: Quoteworthy
Dec 14, 2023, 21:15
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Re: Quoteworthy Dec 14, 2023, 21:15
Dec 14, 2023, 21:15
 
Microsoft owns Bethesda and Obsidian.

Options:

- Let Bethesda continue on its downward spiral or remove shameless lair Todd Howard and put someone capable (get somehow Warren Spector, etc).

- Or give The Elder Scrolls 6 to Obisidian to make, and you'll most probably get a new BG3-like runaway hit, with people stocked from the day of the announcement.
Can you imagine a Starfield made by them with all those years, people and money ?.
The Outer Worlds was made in just 3 years and won 5 awards out of left field.

- Or let both studios make their own Elder Scrolls and watch the eventual carnage (Bethesda's, of course).

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Re: Quoteworthy
Dec 14, 2023, 21:44
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Re: Quoteworthy Dec 14, 2023, 21:44
Dec 14, 2023, 21:44
 
WannaLogAlready wrote on Dec 14, 2023, 21:15:
- Or let both studios make their own Elder Scrolls and watch the eventual carnage (Bethesda's, of course).

Obsidian's already been working on a first-person fantasy RPG for a while now, it comes out next year. https://avowed.obsidian.net/
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Re: Quoteworthy
Dec 14, 2023, 23:01
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Re: Quoteworthy Dec 14, 2023, 23:01
Dec 14, 2023, 23:01
 
No one really cares WHY, they only care WHAT they received. Fixing the why isn't the customer's problem.

As for Microsoft being able to change this, I can almost guarantee that M$ was 100% part of the reason Starfield was rushed out in the state it was. Todd at this point is just a middleman with no real say.
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Dec 15, 2023, 00:45
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Re: Quoteworthy Dec 15, 2023, 00:45
Dec 15, 2023, 00:45
 

Iows: "You're playing it wrong."

LOL
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Re: Quoteworthy
Dec 15, 2023, 02:54
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Re: Quoteworthy Dec 15, 2023, 02:54
Dec 15, 2023, 02:54
 
Microsoft actually delayed the game for a year to polish it more. Per the Gamesradar article, "Starfield had a much earlier release date before Xbox told Bethesda to take its time":

"Truth be told, when the acquisition closed this game had a significantly earlier ship date than where we're actually launching in," Spencer stated, clarifying that he was referring to the November 2022 release date. Spencer added that he then "sat down with Todd and the team," and explained that they wanted to give this team "the time" to finish Starfield
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Re: Quoteworthy
Dec 15, 2023, 04:21
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Re: Quoteworthy Dec 15, 2023, 04:21
Dec 15, 2023, 04:21
 
i found starfield to be fun. I also found it to be the most polished bethesda game at launch that I have played. that doeant mean I didnt find annoyances of course.

I got my money worth but im going to wait for mods before I go for a second playthrough. I usually heavily mod bethesda games.

overall though, I see a lot of hate that is really just a bit of minor annoyance. The game is fun enough and not grindy. Perfect for drop in drop out play.
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