Some BluesNews gamers have serious memory problems.

Mediocre Starfield doesn't come near by 1000 planets to unmodded Skyrim, or Oblivion, much less to Bethesda best creation, Morrowind.

I truly enjoyed F.O.3 (and outstanding NV), not so much F.O.4, but all are conceptually and materially light years better than Starfire Dumpsterfield.

My Gaming God, I cannot choose between VaranDragon ("Bethesda games ... weren't bland nor boring") and eRe4s3r ("there is no modding this to greatness"), killer points.
Read their posts, truth distillate both.

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Here's hoping he retires before he gets a chance to either ruin ES6, or prevent it from becoming a good game.

And FFS, get rid of that damned engine!

Armengar wrote on Nov 17, 2023, 03:12:
well im going against the common theme. Starfield has been the most polished playable launch game bethesda has released in a long time. Ive enjoyed it so far.

Moat other bethesda games have needed mods to be decent, that and a few big patches.

Except no mods will make Starfield decent. What are modders supposed to do here, remove 990 planets and make 10 actually unique ones so that your modded in content doesn't get drowned in a sea of procedural placed but hand-crafted copy-paste content? Throw out all the NPC visuals and import the ones from modded skyrim? Use AI tools to regenerate dialog so that you don't have to scream SKIIIP at every vendor just to see their inventory? ;p

And more importantly, change the engine to one that doesn't have 7 loading screens just to walk somewhere....

Point is, there is no modding this to greatness. Skyrim has insane mods because the world it has is huge and unique. Same for every other Bethesda game whose core logic was exploration and discovery. Starfield doesn't even have that, as a function. Everywhere you go in the game someone else already has been, placed some lights, laid out some cables.. dug a hole to an artifact etc. and all you can do to travel is click on a hyperlink - Starfields exploration is simpler than browser games, conceptually at least, and that is just wild.

well im going against the common theme. Starfield has been the most polished playable launch game bethesda has released in a long time. Ive enjoyed it so far.

Moat other bethesda games have needed mods to be decent, that and a few big patches.

For some reason people keep saying that Bethesda's games are bland and boring. While this seems to be the (de)volution of their game formula, it wasn't always like that. Morrowind and Oblivion were great games. (With Morrowind being their pinnacle, and one of the best cRPGs ever made). Skyrim for all it's faults was an immersive and expansive experience with some great side quests, and a shit-ton of exploration to do. I agree that the Fallouts were kind of disappointing, but at least they birthed Oblivion's Fallout: New Vegas which along with 1, and 2 is a masterpiece. All this before any mods. Apart from Fallout76 (which I don't really count since it's an MMO) The only Bethesda game which I did not buy is Starfield.

i don't know why, but i honestly expected starfield to be a different kind of game. i feel like kind of a dumbass for it now, but it being a tried and true bethesda formula RPG was kind of a surprise. not necessarily a bad one but certainly not an exciting one.

With so many of the designers, developers and producers that brought us Oblivion and Skyrim having left the company, it's no surprise that Todd Howard, having occupied every position as it is vacated by his betters who came before him, continues to push the same old BGS buttons, expecting the same results. After the disastrous and embarrassing failure of Fallout 76 and the miserable mediocrity that is Starfield, the only savior we can hope for to ensure that TES6 isn't another fetch quest-riddled, dull, unimaginative platitude to RPG gaming is the reliable if indifferent greed of Microsoft management to right the ship before Todd pitches this $7.5B investment into the Mariana Trench. If we don't hear an announcement within the next year that TES6 will abandon the "Creation Engine" for a game engine from this century, then this studio is done for.

WannaLogAlready wrote on Nov 16, 2023, 18:00:
Prez, don't fret, love you too man

*elbows Prez* Starfire didn't give me enough space, get it ?, sp... , uh, never mind.

Yeah I see what you did there. I may be stupid, but I'm also dumb.

Prez, don't fret, love you too man

*elbows Prez* Starfire didn't give me enough space, get it ?, sp... , uh, never mind.

WannaLogAlready wrote on Nov 16, 2023, 17:43:
Todd, put a version of Uranus in the game, gamers will have fun with it !

Disappointed with Bethesda.
I'll break with them for a time, need some space.

Give it some time. If you two were meant to be together it will just happen.

Or some dumb shit like that. Not exactly sure.

Todd, put a version of Uranus in the game, gamers will have fun with it !

Disappointed with Bethesda.
I'll break with them for a time, need some space.

jdreyer wrote on Nov 16, 2023, 16:09:

czarsquid wrote on Nov 16, 2023, 11:42:
Apparently "sticks" also applies to doing the bare minimum and hope their modders will do the rest of the work too. Look they had 10 years and the fact the game feels like Skyrim in space with somehow less content is impressively baffling to me.

Turns out, comprehensive open-world space games with lots of manually created locations really do cost $600M to make.

Do they have $25,000 JPEG's for Starfield too? Oh boy!!!

czarsquid wrote on Nov 16, 2023, 11:42:
Apparently "sticks" also applies to doing the bare minimum and hope their modders will do the rest of the work too. Look they had 10 years and the fact the game feels like Skyrim in space with somehow less content is impressively baffling to me.

Turns out, comprehensive open-world space games with lots of manually created locations really do cost $600M to make.

RogueSix wrote on Nov 16, 2023, 11:57:
Call me crazeh but in my book: Improvement > sticking to something (especially something a decade old)

Starfailed drowns in its own mediocrity.

git gud Todd ... git gud

Precisely why i'm not buying it. I already played Skyrim, and I already played Fallout 4 (super boring, barely managed 5 hours). Starfield seems like these two games, with a space skin applied to it.

Call me crazeh but in my book: Improvement > sticking to something (especially something a decade old)

Starfailed drowns in its own mediocrity.

git gud Todd ... git gud

If anyone else was wondering where the rest of this purported "interview" was... The actual source is this video WIRED posted yesterday, with Todd doing a retrospective of all the games he's made: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRqU_7E2T9U

Apparently "sticks" also applies to doing the bare minimum and hope their modders will do the rest of the work too. Look they had 10 years and the fact the game feels like Skyrim in space with somehow less content is impressively baffling to me.

Why is "sticks" in quotes?