The Flying Penguin wrote on Oct 10, 2023, 10:19:The biggest skill i learned in college was how to write. I do have vivid memories of some of my classes like music where I learned how to use mixers, multi tracks, etc., political polling where I learned about bias, sample size, etc., art history, philosophy and religion, computer programming, chemistry, etc. I think it was quite enriching and useful.
I wouldn't say college is irrelevant, but a lot depends on your career goals. I dropped out of college after a year and a half (1980) because: A) Some of the courses were idiotic. I was majoring in electronics engineering, and because my high school was very progressive and I was deep into electronics as a hobbyist already, I knew 99% of the shit that was required courses. The ultimate insult was a slide rule class I had to pay for, but all they did was have us bring our scientific calculators and show us how to do things I already knew how to do. Oh gee, press the SINE button for a sine. I actually would have preferred learning how to use a slip stick. B) Six months into college I got a job as a stage hand/sound engineer and had to switch to night classes, and eventually I was making money hand over fist and didn't see the point continuing with it.
That said, I do miss not having a full college education. I have even toyed with going back for my degree even this late in life. There is a certain amount of critical thinking you're taught in college that is of benefit in later life. I like to think I made up for that by being well read. College is also where you're exposed to fields you may not normally have any interest in. I never considered the required psychology courses a waste of time. Also, courses in writing were very useful. I have spent a considerable amount of my business life having to write business letters, reports, operating manuals, and proposals. The number of people I have come across in my life who were incapable of even writing a business letter blows my mind.
Beamer wrote on Oct 10, 2023, 10:28:I always assumed we hit little kids with some advanced science and math early so we can identify the future scientists and mathematicians and get them on the right tracks.
My wife frequently complains that much of what she learned in elementary school was useless. "Who ever needs geometry?" She's a smart woman, so the anti-intellectualism of it kind of drives me nuts.
It isn't necessarily what you're learning, but learning to think, learning to solve problems, learning to apply information to problems, etc.
Teemeister wrote on Oct 10, 2023, 02:02:Well... in grammar school you are actually learning basic math and language rules. That is not useless. Also, grammar and HS in my mind is as much about learning social skills (how to interact with people outside your family) as much as the actual topics. This is one of the reasons I think home schooling isn't a great idea. Kids need that social interaction to develop "normally". (whatever they hell is normal these days)
The same applies to high school/grammar school here in Europe. 85 percent of what you must learn is mostly useless.
Mr. Tact wrote on Oct 9, 2023, 22:40:The same applies to high school/grammar school here in Europe. 85 percent of what you must learn is mostly useless.
The hardest thing about college for most is putting up with the bullshit. In fact, more than anything else, I have always considered a bachelor's degree as documented proof you can push through the bullshit when you have to. Other than very basic skills, you rarely learn anything in college you need to know for a real world job. I mean, if you are going to be a physicist or something like that, than yeah it is much more relevant. But I lost count a long time ago of the number of people who told me their successful careers were helped in no measurable way by what they learned in college.