Only the reddit for payday seems to like this. everywhere else i look all I can see are negative opinions.

PD2 wasnt great at launch either but you would have thought PD3 would at least release with a decent amount of content. Seems stealth is better though.

Berke wrote on Sep 21, 2023, 18:00:
(Edit) Spoke too soon; the servers have been brought down by the release traffic. Another issue with an always-online architecture

Guys on reddit are saying this prevents singleplayer as well as you need to use their servers to play on your own.

For me, the changes with stealth heists made me actually take a look at the game again. PD2's stealth seemed to me like an exercise in frustration, where the RNG might completely screw you over. PD3 removed the "concealment" trait (so the only states are mask on/mask off), has a better defined public/private/restricted area system, guards with actual guard rounds, and AI behavior that makes some sort of sense. It's a lot more fun now (for me, anyhow) to play stealth missions with my friends, as the game becomes one large puzzle.

It's not to say that it's perfect, though, since I can imagine your enjoyment may vary depending on if you enjoy those sorts of puzzles, and if you generally play with friends or pubbies. That, and there's the general wonkiness you can expect out of a new release -- matchmaking errors seem to come up every so often, but not as bad as it was during the most recent technical beta.

(Edit) Spoke too soon; the servers have been brought down by the release traffic. Another issue with an always-online architecture

This comment was edited on Sep 22, 2023, 01:30.

Osc8r wrote on Sep 21, 2023, 17:38:
As much as i enjoyed the first 2, the beta for this one left a terrible taste in my mouth... it felt like i was just playing PD2 all over again.

Kinda like the new Serious Sam games, no innovation, old engine, tired gameplay...

But then again, i'm probably just a bitter old man

Thank you Osc8r for your feedback, I was curious how PD3 was shaping up but not that curious since I grew tired of playing PD2 and it didn't seem like PD3 was anything new. I really love co-op games so I'm always looking for new ones but I don't think PD3 will scratch that itch for me. I'd appreciate any other's opinions though, maybe there is something special there that I'm missing?

As much as i enjoyed the first 2, the beta for this one left a terrible taste in my mouth... it felt like i was just playing PD2 all over again.

Kinda like the new Serious Sam games, no innovation, old engine, tired gameplay...

But then again, i'm probably just a bitter old man

I generally don't play online any longer so I hope the AI bots are decent.