SoloKingMonkey wrote on Sep 15, 2023, 22:10:
Armored Core is better.

That seems like a definitive statement. Is this from your experience playing MW5: Clans? How did you obtain advanced copies?

Hump wrote on Sep 15, 2023, 13:50:

Burrito of Peace wrote on Sep 15, 2023, 11:44:
Having played their last game, I hold little hope.

They were working on a shoestring budget with the original. It looks like they saved their pennies this time around. Plus they're the only ones willing to pick up the franchise....

I hope this is sarcasm...

It's a spit in the face to reference MW2, MW5 isn't anywhere as good, and I doubt this will be much better.

Orogogus wrote on Sep 18, 2023, 15:00:
But I feel the Mechwarrior audience has been pretty consistently bitchy over the years.

You nailed it.

Going back to Mechwarrior 2 which is awesome but also horrendous at the same time..."Laser bullets" and non-functional autocannons!

I'm glad we finally have punch and melee capability after all these years, even if it might be generally ignored.

Midnight wrote on Sep 18, 2023, 13:19:

Prez wrote on Sep 16, 2023, 20:39:
This made me laugh. How do you make a "sim" of giant stompy battlemechs? 😜

You could argue that technically it isn't a *real* simulator, but the Mechwarrior franchise has always been about creating an experience that *feels* like a simulator.

I mean, sort of. It has to do with mission design, too. In most sims that don't have lasers and FTL drives, you might have a mission to fly a bomber, bomb your target, and go home. The singleplayer campaigns of most space or 'Mech sims are designed around missions where your commander expects that you, personally, can take out 20 or 30 enemy units equivalent to or better than your own. If it's simulating anything, it's a Hollywood action movie. With the exceptions of the original Mechwarrior and MWO, the Mechwarrior games and all the rest have always been closer to MechAssault than something like Falcon or IL-2 Sturmovik. No one really wants a return to Mechwarrior 1 singleplayer where your lance takes out another lance and the mission's over.

But I feel the Mechwarrior audience has been pretty consistently bitchy over the years. From MW3 to now, the worst game has always been the one that's out right now. It doesn't matter how many requests from previous games are addressed -- cockpit models, destructible buildings, more 'Mechs, co-op, (sigh) physical attacks -- the older games were better and whoever currently has the license is incompetent and should never be allowed to make another Mechwarrior game again.

Prez wrote on Sep 16, 2023, 20:39:
This made me laugh. How do you make a "sim" of giant stompy battlemechs? 😜

You could argue that technically it isn't a *real* simulator, but the Mechwarrior franchise has always been about creating an experience that *feels* like a simulator.

MW5: Mercs is pretty awful. It's a single player bot version of Mechwarrior online for the most part, with horrible random "missions" and was a dissappointing entry in the MW franchise. The first one to really dissappoint.

This looks like a proper MW2 sequel, with a story mode and a proper campaign with hand crafted missions. If this turns out to be the case, it's going to be a great game. Piranha has proven to be able to get the "sim" part of the game right, they just haven't nailed the "feel" of the original games, since none of their games had any proper "missions".

Hopefully optimistic for this one, although they should have called it Mechwarrior: Clans since the MW5 is forever tainted with the paintbrush of mediocre gameplay.

Fingers crossed. Played the last one despite it's flaws. Felt like the 90s getting HOTAS to work early on. Finally a mech game after a long wait and so many cancelled titles.

Hope we can build our mech inventory, arsenal as the story progresses, joystick/hotas support and environments worthy of the franchise. The $ in next Gen consoles might motivate someone to make something good. The tech is there to get it done.

Like with the next stalker game I'm gonna stop myself from thinking and hope for a nice surprise when the time comes.

Bumpy wrote on Sep 16, 2023, 06:39:

Midnight wrote on Sep 16, 2023, 00:02:
I loved MW2 when it was first released, enjoyed MW3 and 4, and am a fan of HBS' Battlech game (with mods), but couldn't stand MW5: Dreadful mission design, horrible writing and acting, sound design that totally failed to capture the scale of the conflict, and underwhelming mech customisation options. I have no faith in this company's ability to create a good linear campaign.

This ^^^ sums it up perfectly. MW5 is a sole-less, lego block made, repetitive arena shooter; mech sim it is NOT.

This made me laugh. How do you make a "sim" of giant stompy battlemechs? 😜

I get it - you don't like it. That's okay - doesn't lessen my enjoyment of it.

Bumpy wrote on Sep 16, 2023, 06:39:
MW5 is a sole-less, lego block made, repetitive arena shooter; mech sim it is NOT.

The former titles werent much "simey" either. Nostalgia really obstructs your memory.

Midnight wrote on Sep 16, 2023, 00:02:
I loved MW2 when it was first released, enjoyed MW3 and 4, and am a fan of HBS' Battlech game (with mods), but couldn't stand MW5: Dreadful mission design, horrible writing and acting, sound design that totally failed to capture the scale of the conflict, and underwhelming mech customisation options. I have no faith in this company's ability to create a good linear campaign.

This ^^^ sums it up perfectly. MW5 is a sole-less, lego block made, repetitive arena shooter; mech sim it is NOT.

jdreyer wrote on Sep 15, 2023, 17:11:

El Pit wrote on Sep 15, 2023, 15:53:

Orogogus wrote on Sep 15, 2023, 13:41:

El Pit wrote on Sep 15, 2023, 13:06:

Orogogus wrote on Sep 15, 2023, 12:53:

El Pit wrote on Sep 15, 2023, 12:26:
Sounds to me a lot like "We got a huge MW5 DLC that we want to sell to you at the price of a complete game".

They might update to Unreal Engine 5.

Which the Satisfactory guys did for free.

Sure. But most companies don't. Satisfactory is a single game with one map, that has ten mods on Nexus (one or two of which are just saves), and is still in Early Access. Mechwarrior 5 has 4 DLCs and a fifth on the way, more maps and models, and 721 mods. It wouldn't be a reasonable ask.

The map of Satisfactory is... huge. VERY huge. And open.

Concurrent players of Satisfactory
Concurrent players of Mechwarrior 5

The bigger and more played game gave the Unreal 5 update away for free. And it does not even depend on DLCs and microtransactions.

But selling the Unreal 5 update can be done even more greedily. I am looking at you, Ark: Survival Evolved developers!

I bought my copy on EGS.

For which one of the games? They are both available on EGS.

I loved MW2 when it was first released, enjoyed MW3 and 4, and am a fan of HBS' Battlech game (with mods), but couldn't stand MW5: Dreadful mission design, horrible writing and acting, sound design that totally failed to capture the scale of the conflict, and underwhelming mech customisation options. I have no faith in this company's ability to create a good linear campaign.

Armored Core is better.

Burrito of Peace wrote on Sep 15, 2023, 18:22:

1badmf wrote on Sep 15, 2023, 17:21:
..i know bop was griping about it..

No, my gripe was that the game would spam spawn tanks and helicopters out of thin air a very short distance away.

yeah i never saw that either. like sometimes they'd pop up if they suddenly broke cover from behind something, but i never saw anybody just materialize right in front of me.

1badmf wrote on Sep 15, 2023, 17:21:
..i know bop was griping about it..

No, my gripe was that the game would spam spawn tanks and helicopters out of thin air a very short distance away.

ninemil wrote on Sep 15, 2023, 12:59:
"Jag Base, this is Jag-12, I'm approaching the reported radar signature."
"Nothing on scope, Jag Base."
"Anything on thermals, Jag-12?"
"Neg Base."

...

"Jag 12, Jag 12, hold your position. Repeat, hold your position reinforcements are enroot. Jag 12 hold your position..."
"Neg base, I need units now! FREEBIRRRRTH!!!" \🤖/
...
(Offline) "Sir, he did it again."

They had me at "linear campaign".

As long as there's no infinite spawn bullshit and a lot of the issues that have been fixed by mods are built-in, I'm in.

Tipsy McStagger wrote on Sep 15, 2023, 14:31:
I pretty mcuh play all mechwarrior games but i skipped mw5 because of it's justified enemy infinite spawns and such.. MWO is fun as hell but overall their AI single player experience has sucked.

Hopefully they fixed their issues with this one.

man i never saw infinite spawns, and i played almost a year after release. i know bop was griping about it too, but i played the entire mercs campaign and never saw infinite spawns. well except for the last mission, but that was story justified.

El Pit wrote on Sep 15, 2023, 15:53:

Orogogus wrote on Sep 15, 2023, 13:41:

El Pit wrote on Sep 15, 2023, 13:06:

Orogogus wrote on Sep 15, 2023, 12:53:

El Pit wrote on Sep 15, 2023, 12:26:
Sounds to me a lot like "We got a huge MW5 DLC that we want to sell to you at the price of a complete game".

They might update to Unreal Engine 5.

Which the Satisfactory guys did for free.

Sure. But most companies don't. Satisfactory is a single game with one map, that has ten mods on Nexus (one or two of which are just saves), and is still in Early Access. Mechwarrior 5 has 4 DLCs and a fifth on the way, more maps and models, and 721 mods. It wouldn't be a reasonable ask.

The map of Satisfactory is... huge. VERY huge. And open.

Concurrent players of Satisfactory
Concurrent players of Mechwarrior 5

The bigger and more played game gave the Unreal 5 update away for free. And it does not even depend on DLCs and microtransactions.

But selling the Unreal 5 update can be done even more greedily. I am looking at you, Ark: Survival Evolved developers!

I bought my copy on EGS.