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RogueSix wrote on Jul 28, 2023, 13:06:

Yes, that would be a great side effect. Larian did not have it easy on their way up. They were almost out of business at several points throughout their career. In the early days, their side projects (work for Belgian TV stations like the creation of little jingles/intermissions etc.) saved their bacon because their German partner attic failed to pay them for work on LMK. The whole period from 1998 until their first Kickstarter in 2013 was one big quest to secure funding, living off scraps in between projects, rinse, repeat.

I guess you could definitely say that Larian is an anomaly. They persevered against many odds. Swen was able and willing to take risks. They have grown their company from (almost) a garage to a huge multinational studio (aside from their HQ in Belgium, they are also in Barcelona, Dublin, Kuala Lumpur (MY), Guildford (UK) and Quebec (CA)).

This level of success, still being independent and self-publishing, is definitely an anomaly as is Swen's unique personality which is a marketing factor in and of itself. This is certainly not easily replicated as much as I wish we had more huge indie studios like Larian.
Yeah, I guess if you are planning on playing multiple times it might be "safe" to play on release. The Original Sins, however, were also in EA for a pretty long time and they still received humongous updates. I mean, Larian even "totally reworked" (their words) the story of the first D:OS for the Enhanced Edition.

I hope that will not be necessary for BG3 but that they nailed it from the get-go . Regardless, I'm sure that there will be many updates and patches that will much improve the game. I'm probably a one time player. I don't usually replay such huge, long, epic story-driven games so I want to have the best experience with the Enhanced or Definitive Edition.
I will certainly dabble with the character generator and maybe play a little bit into the story for shits'n'giggles. I already took a small glimpse into the early game in EA. But a full playthrough is going to have to wait until the "complete edition".

Yeah, most independent houses fail, and the perseverance shown by Larian has been amazing. My hope is, let's say, you get ten new studios formed by people who get good game envy. Maybe 8 fail before even releasing a game. No funding or whatever. The remaining 2 pick up new employees from the fallout. I don't know. If it happens enough times, more Larians will emerge. And some of them will bite off more than they can chew, and probably fail as well. It's the age old question almost: Would you rather have freedom or security?

I probably wouldn't play such huge, epic games more than once, either, except I love the Larian style of gameplay and there's just not many other games like it. At least not with near the high quality. Larian's a unicorn, for sure. Hope we can at least partly repopulate Unicorn game makers. I'd hate to see them go extinct!

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LordSteev wrote on Jul 28, 2023, 02:56:
Look, you're probably right, it won't have any real effect on the quality of what other corporations release. Just looking for a ray of hope in my hobby of choice. Maybe it will make some talented individuals take a good look at themselves and decide they don't like what they see. Maybe give them a nudge to leave the big houses and start up more independent studios again.

Yes, that would be a great side effect. Larian did not have it easy on their way up. They were almost out of business at several points throughout their career. In the early days, their side projects (work for Belgian TV stations like the creation of little jingles/intermissions etc.) saved their bacon because their German partner attic failed to pay them for work on LMK. The whole period from 1998 until their first Kickstarter in 2013 was one big quest to secure funding, living off scraps in between projects, rinse, repeat.

I guess you could definitely say that Larian is an anomaly. They persevered against many odds. Swen was able and willing to take risks. They have grown their company from (almost) a garage to a huge multinational studio (aside from their HQ in Belgium, they are also in Barcelona, Dublin, Kuala Lumpur (MY), Guildford (UK) and Quebec (CA)).

This level of success, still being independent and self-publishing, is definitely an anomaly as is Swen's unique personality which is a marketing factor in and of itself. This is certainly not easily replicated as much as I wish we had more huge indie studios like Larian.

I'm just finishing up my 3rd playthrough of DOS2, with all the trimmings they added, and you're right, it's substantial. And way less buggy (almost perfect, in fact). I'm thinking maybe BG3 is going to release in pretty good shape just because it's been in early access for what, 3 or 4 years now? I'll give it a playthrough, and even if it's a little buggy, that's ok. I know for a fact my first playthrough won't be my last.

Yeah, I guess if you are planning on playing multiple times it might be "safe" to play on release. The Original Sins, however, were also in EA for a pretty long time and they still received humongous updates. I mean, Larian even "totally reworked" (their words) the story of the first D:OS for the Enhanced Edition.

I hope that will not be necessary for BG3 but that they nailed it from the get-go . Regardless, I'm sure that there will be many updates and patches that will much improve the game. I'm probably a one time player. I don't usually replay such huge, long, epic story-driven games so I want to have the best experience with the Enhanced or Definitive Edition.
I will certainly dabble with the character generator and maybe play a little bit into the story for shits'n'giggles. I already took a small glimpse into the early game in EA. But a full playthrough is going to have to wait until the "complete edition".
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RogueSix wrote on Jul 28, 2023, 00:06:
LordSteev wrote on Jul 27, 2023, 23:16:
Because whether they admit it or not, if BG3 sets a new standard, they'll have no choice but to step up and play ball.

Actually they don't. They'll just carry on churning out their mediocre garbage. Take 'The Witcher 3' for example. Did everyone else all of a sudden up their game in terms of writing, narrative, characters, quest design, exploration etc.? Nope. They sure did not.

The clickbait "BG3 is an anomaly" drivel will be forgotten in a few weeks. BG3 is way overhyped at this point and I think reviews or post-mortems of it in a few months will be a lot more realistic than the dumb levels of hyperventilation we're witnessing now.

I preordered the CE as well but I will not dive into a sincere playthrough before there is the usual (for Larian) Enhanced or Definitive Edition. Going by Larian's track record, I would be very surprised if the release version is bug-free. With an epic RPG like this, I'm not exactly a fan of game-breaking bugs or save game corruption 50+ hours into a playthrough.
Larian are also well known for patches that require a fresh start/save if you want to benefit from everything new that is introduced in some of their (QoL) feature-packed patches. I'll play it in full when they are done patching.

Look, you're probably right, it won't have any real effect on the quality of what other corporations release. Just looking for a ray of hope in my hobby of choice. Maybe it will make some talented individuals take a good look at themselves and decide they don't like what they see. Maybe give them a nudge to leave the big houses and start up more independent studios again.

I'm just finishing up my 3rd playthrough of DOS2, with all the trimmings they added, and you're right, it's substantial. And way less buggy (almost perfect, in fact). I'm thinking maybe BG3 is going to release in pretty good shape just because it's been in early access for what, 3 or 4 years now? I'll give it a playthrough, and even if it's a little buggy, that's ok. I know for a fact my first playthrough won't be my last.

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LordSteev wrote on Jul 27, 2023, 23:16:
Because whether they admit it or not, if BG3 sets a new standard, they'll have no choice but to step up and play ball.

Actually they don't. They'll just carry on churning out their mediocre garbage. Take 'The Witcher 3' for example. Did everyone else all of a sudden up their game in terms of writing, narrative, characters, quest design, exploration etc.? Nope. They sure did not.

The clickbait "BG3 is an anomaly" drivel will be forgotten in a few weeks. BG3 is way overhyped at this point and I think reviews or post-mortems of it in a few months will be a lot more realistic than the dumb levels of hyperventilation we're witnessing now.

I preordered the CE as well but I will not dive into a sincere playthrough before there is the usual (for Larian) Enhanced or Definitive Edition. Going by Larian's track record, I would be very surprised if the release version is bug-free. With an epic RPG like this, I'm not exactly a fan of game-breaking bugs or save game corruption 50+ hours into a playthrough.
Larian are also well known for patches that require a fresh start/save if you want to benefit from everything new that is introduced in some of their (QoL) feature-packed patches. I'll play it in full when they are done patching.
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I pre-ordered BG3. I never pre-order, don't believe in today's developers enough to do so. But I pre-ordered BG3. What turned the tide for me was when all the other developers started panicking and saying it's not fair to accept the same level of quality from them. Fuck them, try harder.

Everything else is wait for a review, a sale, and multiple patches. Maybe I'll be proven wrong and once again reminded of why I don't pre-order. But I've gotta say, I want Larian to have my money for this game, even if it's not perfect on release. Anyone that can drive the big publishers into a frenzy state is worth spending some cash on. Because whether they admit it or not, if BG3 sets a new standard, they'll have no choice but to step up and play ball.

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