After years of public uproar over Denuvo's alleged performance impact, though, Huin said he knows much of the gaming community won't take him at his word. "Our voice is unfortunately not sufficient to convince people because we're not trusted in their mind as a starting point in that debate," he said.
To get around that mistrust, Huin said Irdeto is working on a program that would provide two nearly identical versions of a game to trusted media outlets: one with Denuvo protection and one without. After that program rolls out, hopefully sometime in the next few months, Huin hopes independent benchmarks will allow the tech press to "see for yourself that the performance is comparable, identical... and that would provide something that would hopefully be trusted by the community."
Armengar wrote on Jul 8, 2023, 12:02:
then why are the cracked versions faster? like for like build wise....
Armengar wrote on Jul 8, 2023, 12:02:Citation? I'm not a fan of anything that adds extra expense and potentially performance issues to a game, but I'm somewhat sympathetic to game companies wanting to protect their investment of often tens or even hundreds of millions of dollars. And a somewhat more rigorous examination of that as suggested by Mr. Huin himself would be the most appropriate way to measure that delta:
then why are the cracked versions faster? like for like build wise....
To get around that mistrust, Huin said Irdeto is working on a program that would provide two nearly identical versions of a game to trusted media outlets: one with Denuvo protection and one without.The question is, is that delta 10% or 1%?
C I Systems wrote on Jul 8, 2023, 13:22:IIRC, Denuvo is integrated into the game code itself, so removing it requires some effort?
I find it incredibly interesting that "the reported differences are because they are different versions of the game, and not the same." They now want to spend some time putting something together to give an "apples to apples" comparison. So, basically they are saying they can't just grab a current game, take Denuvo out of the equation, and see if it's different. Now why do you suppose they need to build something for this demonstration? Could it be because it really does affect performance, so they need time to figure out how to present something that doesn't appear to affect performance?
jdreyer wrote on Jul 8, 2023, 13:28:Armengar wrote on Jul 8, 2023, 12:02:Citation? I'm not a fan of anything that adds extra expense and potentially performance issues to a game, but I'm somewhat sympathetic to game companies wanting to protect their investment of often tens or even hundreds of millions of dollars. And a somewhat more rigorous examination of that as suggested by Mr. Huin himself would be the most appropriate way to measure that delta:
then why are the cracked versions faster? like for like build wise....To get around that mistrust, Huin said Irdeto is working on a program that would provide two nearly identical versions of a game to trusted media outlets: one with Denuvo protection and one without.The question is, is that delta 10% or 1%?
Pr()ZaC wrote on Jul 8, 2023, 14:18:
From teh intarwebz
Rectal Prolapse wrote on Jul 8, 2023, 15:19:
If I remember correctly, many (recent?) Denuvo-protected games that were "cracked" still have Denuvo in them. They just found a bypass mechanism. So the performance between them would be the same.
WaltSee wrote on Jul 8, 2023, 15:29:The developer wants to have paying customers first. It is easy to "trust" customers after a game has been available for a year plus and then sure GOG makes sense.
The question is does the developer trust his paying customers? If I've paid for a game, I would expect it to be DRM free, which is why I stick with GOG whenever possible.
Prez wrote on Jul 8, 2023, 12:43:
Or course Denuvo isn't evil. And often the performance problems are artificially amplified by the internet blood-in-the-water effect. I am not a fan of any DRM, but given the choice between online-only garbage that ensures a game disappears from existence once the arbitrary and unnecessary central server is shut down or Denuvo, I will choose Denuvo every time as long as they are true to their word and remove it once the DRM is inevitably cracked. They have done this on many games, so credit to them. I would like 100% of single player games to be DRM free but we don't live in an ideal world. Denuvo is by far the lesser of 2 evils.