GothicWizard wrote on Jun 10, 2023, 22:09:
I've been focused so much on the planets I didn't really think about ships. Could someone make the Enterprise A or the Falcon where we can walk though it in full size? The ships showed so far looks pretty small like 1-3 person crew. I wonder if it would be possible to build a 1:1 scale of large ships from fiction in the game engine or the ships showed are small due to limitations?

Even if that kind of scale is possible, it would take years of effort unless there is some kind of way to mod in an automated building of some kind.

My concern regarding mods is who will be in control? Todd is going to want to keep mods strictly to his Creation Club 2.0 (or whatever he'll call it).

I hope I'm wrong but I see it as a big issue being kept under wraps until after release.

Burrito of Peace wrote on Jun 10, 2023, 14:13:

GothicWizard wrote on Jun 10, 2023, 13:58:
You're with me though right? You see total planet conversions too from all across fiction? Landing on a Forgotten Realms D&D Planet or Andor from Star Trek seems amazing. If Skyrim modding is still going this strong on a map of its size then image how long Starfield will go with almost a 1,000 blank slate planets. Mind boggling.

Absolutely! I would love to visit Arrakis, for example. But I think it is going to be years before we see that kind of depth in a mod. I'm also looking forward to ship mods and station mods. I'm a ship porn kind of guy so seeing something like a Firefly that I can walk around in and fly would be awesome. Someone is going to do a Millennium Falcon for sure.

I've been focused so much on the planets I didn't really think about ships. Could someone make the Enterprise A or the Falcon where we can walk though it in full size? The ships showed so far looks pretty small like 1-3 person crew. I wonder if it would be possible to build a 1:1 scale of large ships from fiction in the game engine or the ships showed are small due to limitations?

ZeroPike1 wrote on Jun 10, 2023, 14:57:

Burrito of Peace wrote on Jun 10, 2023, 14:13:

GothicWizard wrote on Jun 10, 2023, 13:58:
You're with me though right? You see total planet conversions too from all across fiction? Landing on a Forgotten Realms D&D Planet or Andor from Star Trek seems amazing. If Skyrim modding is still going this strong on a map of its size then image how long Starfield will go with almost a 1,000 blank slate planets. Mind boggling.

Absolutely! I would love to visit Arrakis, for example. But I think it is going to be years before we see that kind of depth in a mod. I'm also looking forward to ship mods and station mods. I'm a ship porn kind of guy so seeing something like a Firefly that I can walk around in and fly would be awesome. Someone is going to do a Millennium Falcon for sure.

I have not really considered which mod ship I would like to see. I think the Winnebago space ship from SpaceBalls would fit me. I'm all in on that. Eagle 5! For life

Haha. Since I RV, the last thing I would want is an actual RV in space. Though, when I think about it, all long haul ships are laid out just like RVs in function.

Burrito of Peace wrote on Jun 10, 2023, 14:13:

GothicWizard wrote on Jun 10, 2023, 13:58:
You're with me though right? You see total planet conversions too from all across fiction? Landing on a Forgotten Realms D&D Planet or Andor from Star Trek seems amazing. If Skyrim modding is still going this strong on a map of its size then image how long Starfield will go with almost a 1,000 blank slate planets. Mind boggling.

Absolutely! I would love to visit Arrakis, for example. But I think it is going to be years before we see that kind of depth in a mod. I'm also looking forward to ship mods and station mods. I'm a ship porn kind of guy so seeing something like a Firefly that I can walk around in and fly would be awesome. Someone is going to do a Millennium Falcon for sure.

I have not really considered which mod ship I would like to see. I think the Winnebago space ship from SpaceBalls would fit me. I'm all in on that. Eagle 5! For life

RogueSix wrote on Jun 10, 2023, 10:54:

ZeroPike1 wrote on Jun 10, 2023, 04:28:
I don’t trust him. Even more so after he helmed the Redfall disaster? Doesn’t matter if it was developed by outsiders, it still has Bethesda’s name on it.

What? In which parallel universe and in what imaginary capacity did Todd Howard "helm" the Redfall disaster? What a ridiculous claim just because Bethesda was originally going to be the publisher of the game.
BTW, Microsoft completed the Zenimax/Bethesda acquisition in March 2021, i.e. over two years before Redfall's release so Bethesda hasn't really been "helming" anything anymore since then. Not without Big Brother watching them at least...

Bethesda is a big company that is a part of even bigger Zenimax and Bethesda has a development studio, Bethesda Game Studios (BGS) which is in fact (co-)"helmed" by Todd Howard who, for all we know, has been 100% busy with Starfield for several years now, and Bethesda have a publishing/distribution department called Bethesda Softworks which is run by completely different people.

Todd Howard's name does not even show up in the Redfall credits which is about to be expected since Todd, being Starfield's project director, does not exactly sound like a part-time job now, does it?

Look, I get it, you hate the guy with a burning passion and you want to blame cancer, CoVid, AIDS, world hunger and everything bad about humanity on the guy, but let us maybe try to stick to the actual facts? Blame Todd Howard all you want but please blame him for things he might actually be responsible for.

Blame Todd for actual crap? sure, Fallout 76... Job done. Fine then, blame Pete Hines for Redfall being a shit show. Still he is under the Bethesda Umbrella regardless of how you try to paint it. And since Publishers hold more power then the Dev teams it falls onto Bethesda for not giving the game more time or enough support. Therefore Todd is fully capable of completely botching Starfield, and no it really does not matter if he works on it full time or not. Alot can go wrong with this release.

GothicWizard wrote on Jun 10, 2023, 13:58:
You're with me though right? You see total planet conversions too from all across fiction? Landing on a Forgotten Realms D&D Planet or Andor from Star Trek seems amazing. If Skyrim modding is still going this strong on a map of its size then image how long Starfield will go with almost a 1,000 blank slate planets. Mind boggling.

Absolutely! I would love to visit Arrakis, for example. But I think it is going to be years before we see that kind of depth in a mod. I'm also looking forward to ship mods and station mods. I'm a ship porn kind of guy so seeing something like a Firefly that I can walk around in and fly would be awesome. Someone is going to do a Millennium Falcon for sure.

Burrito of Peace wrote on Jun 10, 2023, 11:49:

GothicWizard wrote on Jun 10, 2023, 10:25:
How is NO ONE talking about the modding potential with this game.

I think because of the extreme mod scenes for both Skyrim and Fallout that it just assumed. As in "Bethesda game? MODS!" Also, Todd Howard has already public stated multiple times that Starfield will have full mod support from day one.

You're with me though right? You see total planet conversions too from all across fiction? Landing on a Forgotten Realms D&D Planet or Andor from Star Trek seems amazing. If Skyrim modding is still going this strong on a map of its size then image how long Starfield will go with almost a 1,000 blank slate planets. Mind boggling.

GothicWizard wrote on Jun 10, 2023, 10:25:
How is NO ONE talking about the modding potential with this game.

I think because of the extreme mod scenes for both Skyrim and Fallout that it just assumed. As in "Bethesda game? MODS!" Also, Todd Howard has already public stated multiple times that Starfield will have full mod support from day one.

ZeroPike1 wrote on Jun 10, 2023, 04:28:
I don’t trust him. Even more so after he helmed the Redfall disaster? Doesn’t matter if it was developed by outsiders, it still has Bethesda’s name on it.

What? In which parallel universe and in what imaginary capacity did Todd Howard "helm" the Redfall disaster? What a ridiculous claim just because Bethesda was originally going to be the publisher of the game.
BTW, Microsoft completed the Zenimax/Bethesda acquisition in March 2021, i.e. over two years before Redfall's release so Bethesda hasn't really been "helming" anything anymore since then. Not without Big Brother watching them at least...

Bethesda is a big company that is a part of even bigger Zenimax and Bethesda has a development studio, Bethesda Game Studios (BGS) which is in fact (co-)"helmed" by Todd Howard who, for all we know, has been 100% busy with Starfield for several years now, and Bethesda have a publishing/distribution department called Bethesda Softworks which is run by completely different people.

Todd Howard's name does not even show up in the Redfall credits which is about to be expected since Todd, being Starfield's project director, does not exactly sound like a part-time job now, does it?

Look, I get it, you hate the guy with a burning passion and you want to blame cancer, CoVid, AIDS, world hunger and everything bad about humanity on the guy, but let us maybe try to stick to the actual facts? Blame Todd Howard all you want but please blame him for things he might actually be responsible for.

How is NO ONE talking about the modding potential with this game. ~1,000 planets and let's be honest only a dozen or so will be hand crafted for the main story. That is a fuck ton of open worlds modders will have a field day with. I can see a few years down the road total planet conversion mods. Modders recreating planets from Star Trek, Star Wars, Warhammer, etc where as a player you can go visit Luke's home world, Vulcan, etc.

To me this is a mostly blank slate for modders with entire PLANETS to use.

LordSteev wrote on Jun 10, 2023, 05:41:
I'll rephrase...I trust Todd when he personally is directing a game with the core BGS members working on it to produce a game I'm going to love. It's happened every single time in the past, so I don't think it will be any different this time.

I don't trust Todd the salesman, but I DO trust Todd the game director. In a few months, we'll know.

Yeah, fair enough. I really want Starfield to be amazing, I really, really do.

I'll rephrase...I trust Todd when he personally is directing a game with the core BGS members working on it to produce a game I'm going to love. It's happened every single time in the past, so I don't think it will be any different this time.

I don't trust Todd the salesman, but I DO trust Todd the game director. In a few months, we'll know.

LordSteev wrote on Jun 9, 2023, 20:01:
I trust Todd

You mean Todd "All of this just works" Howard?

I will probably buy it day one. As there is nothing else coming out this year at 70$, so I can afford it. That being said I have doubts about the games release state.

Hope for the best, prepare to accept the worst.

And how the hell do you “trust Todd”? The guy that thrashed the Fallout universe? The guy who ok’d Fallout 76 the only fallout game even I as a mega fallout fan hate playing. Not to mention Todd “The Seagull” Howard?

One source told Kotaku that his subordinates would call it “seagulling” when he would “fly by later and shit all over an idea” that had popular traction within the design team.

I don’t trust him. Even more so after he helmed the Redfall disaster? Doesn’t matter if it was developed by outsiders, it still has Bethesda’s name on it.

I fully expect this game to be broken asf on release. Seriously, why wouldn't anybody? That said, I will be playing from day one probably. Too much time that even the broken Bethesda games have been a blast to play. Particularly from this team.

Mr. Tact wrote on Jun 9, 2023, 21:37:

LordSteev wrote on Jun 9, 2023, 20:01:
Seriously, I expect great things from this game.

That's your first mistake.

We're about due for a game that actually lives up to or exceeds expectations, rather than always being a mild to major disappointment.

That's your second.

Unlike most younger people, I trust Todd, and believe in the capabilities of Bethesda Game Studios. This is the first time this team has been fully on a project since Fallout 4. And they've had ample time.

And you are OUT!

We'll see...

RogueSix wrote on Jun 9, 2023, 21:19:

LordSteev wrote on Jun 9, 2023, 20:01:
Unlike most younger people, I trust Todd, and believe in the capabilities of Bethesda Game Studios.

What? It's mostly the grumpy, gnarly old boomer geezers who have a hard-on for Todd because he "raped" Fallout and because he "lied" about things that would be in Oblivion but then weren't .

I doubt that younger gamers even know the name or who Todd Howard even is. They only (barely) know the names of their favorite streamers.

I'm one of those old grumpy guys, but when I think of Todd, I think of things like Morrowind completely blowing my mind when it came out, and Fallout 3, Oblivion, and Skyrim doing the same thing. Skyrim is still in many ways better than any other open worlds that have been released since, and it's 11+ years old. Modders have had a lot to do with that, sure, but give Todd credit for the overall atmosphere, and for making a game that was so moddable in the first place.

I never bought ESO or Fallout 76. Not because I'd heard they weren't all that....I could have probably found at least some joy in both titles, just because I like Bethesda's open world vision more than anyone else's. But just more because it was my impotent and unnoticed protest about them not catering to my single player preference. Now, 12 years later, I'm finally getting my wish. And as long as it's that deep gameplay and it has the ability to drag me out of this world and into another like so many of thier other games, I'll consider it a successful rub of the ol' genie lamp!

LordSteev wrote on Jun 9, 2023, 20:01:
Seriously, I expect great things from this game.

That's your first mistake.

We're about due for a game that actually lives up to or exceeds expectations, rather than always being a mild to major disappointment.

That's your second.

Unlike most younger people, I trust Todd, and believe in the capabilities of Bethesda Game Studios. This is the first time this team has been fully on a project since Fallout 4. And they've had ample time.

And you are OUT!

Bring on Starfield though I hope it is more Skyrim in space than Fallout in space. Fallout 4, to me, was the weakest of all the FPS Fallout titles.

It, Falling Frontiers, and Homeworld 3 are the only titles I am really looking forward to this year.