"redditor for 2 days" according to https://www.reddit.com/user/OGBluesNews . Time to follow him there!

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FloodAnxiety wrote on Jun 3, 2023, 15:33:
PLAUSIBLE implies PROBABLE which implies LIKELY TO HAPPEN. As in better than 50:50 odds!

No, no it most certainly does not. It is plausible that an attacker could gain entry in to my network (work or home, take your pick) due to an unknown vulnerability. It qualifies as "plausible" because there are real world examples of it happening which puts it beyond the scope of "possible". "Plausible" inherently implies a reasonably valid case for something to happen. It does not automatically equate to something that is likely to happen. "Possible", on the other hand, is that state in which something could take place but there isn't an applied methodology for that thing to take place.

Possible is theoretical, plausible is applied. Probable takes plausible and narrows it down to a specific course of action. I.E. it is plausible that someone could gain entry to my network but it is not probable that they will do so because the means and avenues to do so is denied to them. Further, there does not exist the better than 50% likelihood that they will gain entry.

For someone getting all worked up over "possible", "plausible", and "probable", you're certainly using them wrong.

So, who is taking the bets on if it actually was a hypothetical, or he forget that information was classified, or was he trying to show off and exaggerated, or what?

Just to wrap this all up: The original report in AeroSociety.com, reporting on what Col Hamilton said during a presentation at the Royal Aeronautical Society FCAS Summit:

He notes that one simulated test saw an AI-enabled drone tasked with a SEAD mission to identify and destroy SAM sites, with the final go/no go given by the human. However, having been ‘reinforced’ in training that destruction of the SAM was the preferred option, the AI then decided that ‘no-go’ decisions from the human were interfering with its higher mission – killing SAMs – and then attacked the operator in the simulation. Said Hamilton: “We were training it in simulation to identify and target a SAM threat. And then the operator would say yes, kill that threat. The system started realising that while they did identify the threat at times the human operator would tell it not to kill that threat, but it got its points by killing that threat. So what did it do? It killed the operator. It killed the operator because that person was keeping it from accomplishing its objective.”

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That site subsequently posted this update:

[UPDATE 2/6/23 - in communication with AEROSPACE - Col Hamilton admits he "mis-spoke" in his presentation at the Royal Aeronautical Society FCAS Summit and the 'rogue AI drone simulation' was a hypothetical "thought experiment" from outside the military, based on plausible scenarios and likely outcomes rather than an actual USAF real-world simulation saying: "We've never run that experiment, nor would we need to in order to realise that this is a plausible outcome". He clarifies that the USAF has not tested any weaponised AI in this way (real or simulated) and says "Despite this being a hypothetical example, this illustrates the real-world challenges posed by AI-powered capability and is why the Air Force is committed to the ethical development of AI".]

So as I said. This wasn't invented by the media. He really said this, and then when the shit hit the fan, he took it back. I dunno if the guy just mis-spoke, or just wanted to impress or exaggerate or what.

The Flying Penguin wrote on Jun 3, 2023, 11:12:

mag wrote on Jun 2, 2023, 14:45:

FloodAnxiety wrote on Jun 2, 2023, 13:13:
Re: US Air Force denies AI drone attacked operator in test.

Same old play book: making stuff up to scare people.

So many weird holes in that story. If it even has a grain of truth, it seems like the test had to have been deliberately designed specifically to make that outcome a possible solution. Very weird that they would have programmed in death of the operator/loss of communication tower as valid events, but not have any penalty for destroying improper targets or a fallback operator in the event of communication loss.

Keep in mind, the media did not just make this up. An Air Force official said this happened, and then later said he mis-spoke, and then Air Force PR dept said his original statement was misunderstood.

From the article:
""We've never run that experiment, nor would we need to in order to realise that this is a plausible outcome," "
"He added that it was a "thought experiment" rather than anything which had actually taken place."

This... is what I call "making stuff up". I don't think this guy "realises" that making the claim that something is a plausible outcome without testing or confirming it is kind of... what is the word for it... oh right: BS.

It might not even be POSSIBLE let alone PLAUSIBLE. PLAUSIBLE implies PROBABLE which implies LIKELY TO HAPPEN. As in better than 50:50 odds!

Sorry for all the caps. I get worked up sometimes, and the distinction between "possible" and "plausible" are a trigger for me when people use them so wildly incorrectly.

AI is new and people don't understand it, and people fear what they don't understand. So I can understand why people like to project all sorts of weird craziness on top of machine learning created models. I foresee this being a battle that will never end.

mag wrote on Jun 2, 2023, 14:45:

FloodAnxiety wrote on Jun 2, 2023, 13:13:
Re: US Air Force denies AI drone attacked operator in test.

Same old play book: making stuff up to scare people.

So many weird holes in that story. If it even has a grain of truth, it seems like the test had to have been deliberately designed specifically to make that outcome a possible solution. Very weird that they would have programmed in death of the operator/loss of communication tower as valid events, but not have any penalty for destroying improper targets or a fallback operator in the event of communication loss.

Keep in mind, the media did not just make this up. An Air Force official said this happened, and then later said he mis-spoke, and then Air Force PR dept said his original statement was misunderstood.

The Flying Penguin wrote on Jun 3, 2023, 09:51:
My Dad, who reached age 100 last month, and is otherwise in excellent health other than the normal aches and pains of old age (no probs with any major organs) and is very active for his age (still cooks, cleans, takes out the trash) and lives with us,

Awesome.

I never expected to make it to 80. Neither of my parents did and I think only one grandparent did. This thought process was confirmed within the last six months when it was discovered I have hypertrophic cardiomyopathy. I've had a "bad" heart my entire life and no one noticed until I was 60. The condition is inherited and has a wide range of severity from, just needs monitoring, to you need major surgery. In my particular case the thickening of an interior wall is squeezing a valve a bit. Enough to cause high blood pressure, but not serious enough I'm expecting to drop dead imminently. However, certainly serious enough to think my prediction of not living to 80 is probably correct.

I needed some great news after some of the sobering things brought to light in this thread. Good for dad! 100 years old and still active! That's awesome Flying Penguin.

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Off topic personal update: My Dad, who reached age 100 last month, and is otherwise in excellent health other than the normal aches and pains of old age (no probs with any major organs) and is very active for his age (still cooks, cleans, takes out the trash) and lives with us, but in his own bedroom suite, caught a UTI last week that laid him out. Practically bedridden for the past week.

I've had a rough week taking care of him, but I've hired caregivers to help me out now. Got my first good night sleep in a week the night before last. Wonderful woman working today who gave him a sponge bath and groomed him in bed.

He's on antibiotics and getting his strength back.

As a side note, the selection of so-called baby monitor cams out there suck. I've been through a few now, and returned them all. Found one in my closet from last time I needed it that works much better than any of the crap I've bought at Best Buy this week. Would like another like it, but they don't make it anymore.

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SlimRam wrote on Jun 3, 2023, 00:16:

Hell, all my parents, grandparents, aunts and uncles, my brother and my wife have all died and for some strange reason my sorry ass is still here. If there is a God he must have one HELL of a sense of humor!

That's fuckin sad dude. I'm really sorry. ☹️

The amount of permitted sick days back in my old job in NY was 0 . If I stayed home sick I was docked pay, or I could use up my vacation time. What a disgusting joke working in the US is.

I’m still having to get used to all the paid absenteeism days I can use in my new country. It’s one of the few positive things my US citizenship brings me is that companies know that I already had poor working conditions for years. And they know I have a higher tolerance to holding down a shitty job. Therefore I’m more reliable to not quit or be out sick.

I just finished the System Shock Remake and.....
FUCKING LOVED IT (even if it has a SUPER annoying backtracking part and a weird AF ending)

It really has to be played to understand how much better the game looks in this style. Since I never had played SS1 originally I am glad to say I have now completed the immersive sim genre entirely

Prez wrote on Jun 2, 2023, 14:10:

Have we got the brain all wrong? A new study shows its shape is more important than its wiring.

I'd give anything I've ever owned to know how to fix my brain. Study that instead. The stroke really did a number on it. But honestly, considering the severity and location in the brain where my stroke occurred, it is easy to say I dodged a huge bullet considering how bad these types of strokes have been and very often are. It's clear now that I am permanently disabled, but the fact that I can, for example, think pretty clearly, speak coherently, and even taste food is a goddamn miracle really. It's impossible to feel sorry for yourself when you realize how much worse it could have been.

I feel you bruh. My stroke was in 2015 and I just read that 50% of stroke victims only lived about another 5 years after a major one. Considering mine was bilateral and only crippled my right side, I too feel lucky to still be here. Hell, all my parents, grandparents, aunts and uncles, my brother and my wife have all died and for some strange reason my sorry ass is still here. If there is a God he must have one HELL of a sense of humor!

New members? *Looking around* Dammit, does this mean I have to start wearing pants?

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Beamer wrote on Jun 2, 2023, 15:25:
Seems the redditors don't really understand the community, I think.
Which makes some sense. These days, people have full control. Want to discuss a topic? Post it. While Blues has that ability, we're really here to comment on the news, not other topics. I think many of them missed how this community works, but it is different from many others. It's more like blog comments.

Isn't Reddit full of a bunch of moderated topics? How is it different? The Reddit threads I've seen over the years tend to be on-topic.

Shit dude - my granny had Parkinson's so I know just how much that sucks. Sorry that you have to deal with that shit, but yeah, I know what you mean. You are always aware of how much worse things could be.

Enahs wrote on Jun 2, 2023, 15:52:
Hi!

Sup Enahs! Long time no see! Hope you are doing well.

Prez wrote on Jun 2, 2023, 14:10:
I'd give anything I've ever owned to know how to fix my brain. Study that instead. The stroke really did a number on it. But honestly, considering the severity and location in the brain where my stroke occurred, it is easy to say I dodged a huge bullet considering how bad these types of strokes have been and very often are. It's clear now that I am permanently disabled, but the fact that I can, for example, think pretty clearly, speak coherently, and even taste food is a goddamn miracle really. It's impossible to feel sorry for yourself when you realize how much worse it could have been.

I have Parkinson's disease, so there's a persistent worry of LBD and the brain fog and all of the other funky stuff that goes with it, but despite the difficulties I at least get to have time to deal with things progressing instead of just waking up one day and getting slammed with life changing overnight by a stroke.

It's kind of an odd feeling, being angry that you're too young for this shit but at the same time grateful that it least it's not something more catastrophic. Glad you're doing alright, all things considered, and that you're still able to be here.

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