Valve Sued Over Steam Deck and Valve Index Technology [May 16, 2023, 10:50 am ET] – Share – Viewing Comments
Immersion Files Complaint Against Valve in U.S. District Court for the Western
District of Washington. This claims the Steam Deck and Valve Index contain
technology that infringes upon seven of Immersion's patents. The company
describes itself as "the leading innovator of touch feedback technology, also
known as haptics." It would also be fair to describe it as a patent troll. The
company's history
on Wikipedia includes six entries since 2000, five of which are patent
acquisitions or patent lawsuits, and there's a section labeled litigation
outlining a couple of additional lawsuits over patent infringement. In all the
company claims to own over 1,650 patents in the haptic field. Here's
word:
The complaint alleges that Valve’s handheld video game and augmented and virtual reality (“AR/VR”) systems, including the Steam Deck and Valve Index, infringe seven Immersion patents that cover various uses of haptic effects in connection with such systems. Immersion is seeking to enjoin Valve from further infringement and to recover a reasonable royalty for such infringement.
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Burrito of Peace wrote on May 17, 2023, 01:26:Razumen wrote on May 16, 2023, 22:44:Burrito of Peace wrote on May 16, 2023, 19:54:Or you could, you know, go outside and touch grass.
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You mean the thing I touch daily when I take my dog for a hike in my local state park? That grass? Or maybe the grass that I feed the cattle?
Or perhaps you mean sitting on the front porch, enjoying the night air, occasionally packing a bowl, and lighting up?
Those sound like things you got from asking ChatGPT what normal people do, not those that fantasize about roasting people's nuts. 😅
Burrito of Peace wrote on May 16, 2023, 19:54:
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Kinda did, not gonna lie.
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Purveyor of cute, fuzzy, pink bunny slippers.
Burrito of Peace wrote on May 16, 2023, 19:54:
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Kind of saw that one coming.
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Sorry I don't do drugs 
Re: Valve Sued Over Steam Deck and Valve Index Technology
May 17, 2023, 01:26
May 17, 2023, 01:26
Razumen wrote on May 16, 2023, 22:44:Burrito of Peace wrote on May 16, 2023, 19:54:Or you could, you know, go outside and touch grass.
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You mean the thing I touch daily when I take my dog for a hike in my local state park? That grass? Or maybe the grass that I feed the cattle?
Or perhaps you mean sitting on the front porch, enjoying the night air, occasionally packing a bowl, and lighting up?
This comment was edited on May 17, 2023, 09:13.
"Just take a look around you, what do you see? Pain, suffering, and misery." -Black Sabbath, Killing Yourself to Live.
“Man was born free, and he is everywhere in chains” -Jean-Jacques Rousseau
Purveyor of cute, fuzzy, pink bunny slippers.
“Man was born free, and he is everywhere in chains” -Jean-Jacques Rousseau
Purveyor of cute, fuzzy, pink bunny slippers.
Razumen wrote on May 16, 2023, 22:44:Burrito of Peace wrote on May 16, 2023, 19:54:Or you could, you know, go outside and touch grass.
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What is this "grass" that you speak of?
This comment was edited on May 17, 2023, 09:13.
"The assumption that animals are without rights, and the illusion that our treatment of them has no moral significance, is a positively outrageous example of Western crudity and barbarity. Universal compassion is the only guarantee of morality."
Burrito of Peace wrote on May 16, 2023, 19:54:Or you could, you know, go outside and touch grass.
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If it moves forward, I'm sure the judge will consider that this company waited until after Deck proved a commercial success. Shady and scandalous.
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"Just take a look around you, what do you see? Pain, suffering, and misery." -Black Sabbath, Killing Yourself to Live.
“Man was born free, and he is everywhere in chains” -Jean-Jacques Rousseau
Purveyor of cute, fuzzy, pink bunny slippers.
“Man was born free, and he is everywhere in chains” -Jean-Jacques Rousseau
Purveyor of cute, fuzzy, pink bunny slippers.
This is kind of impressive if you think about it. Virtually everyone in the world hates them. Have you ever met anyone who didn't? And yet, zero fucks given. They're going to sue for money having done nothing whatsoever to deserve it while being despised by EVERYONE. I gotta admire that in a weird way. Even Activision and Ubisoft at least do something while being greedy fucking reprobates.
"The assumption that animals are without rights, and the illusion that our treatment of them has no moral significance, is a positively outrageous example of Western crudity and barbarity. Universal compassion is the only guarantee of morality."
They sound a lot like RAMBUS
Kxmode wrote on May 16, 2023, 13:52:
How to defeat patent trolls
1. Give them a complicated riddle or puzzle to solve and send them on their way.
2. Distract them with shiny objects.
3. Hit them with the elemental force of a legal department.
4. Satiate them with 50 gold. Significantly less than the 500 they were demanding, but they'll take it because trolls will be trolls.
Oh I see. Valve is just being made to play a "choose-your-own-adventure". Sounds kinda fun actually...
"The assumption that animals are without rights, and the illusion that our treatment of them has no moral significance, is a positively outrageous example of Western crudity and barbarity. Universal compassion is the only guarantee of morality."
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May 16, 2023, 18:13
May 16, 2023, 18:13
Tipsy McStagger wrote on May 16, 2023, 13:02:Without doing any investigation myself I'd just assume it's a vulture capitalist situation. The company was eventually sold to money people who parted it out and kept the IP for patent trolling.
weird company profile on wikipedia there.. looks like it was a legitimate company at one point then just devolved into lawsuits for technology patents.
the biggest red flag is the CEO is a lawyer and chief counsel.. which makes that much worse optically.
One of the many reasons the US patent system needs a complete revamp.
Hmm, WA has a similar law, although this was filed in Federal court. Time for the US to pass something nationwide.
I wonder if Valve can get the case thrown out due to lack of standing. With nothing to sell, there's no injury to Immersion since "infringement" doesn't cannibalize the patent owner sales.
I wonder if Valve can get the case thrown out due to lack of standing. With nothing to sell, there's no injury to Immersion since "infringement" doesn't cannibalize the patent owner sales.
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There was some talk at making a federal anti patent troll law, but I don't think anything came of it. Some states have them though like NC's Abusive Patent Assertion Act, which prevents non-practicing entities from making patent claims in bad faith.
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Re: Valve Sued Over Steam Deck and Valve Index Technology
May 16, 2023, 13:58
May 16, 2023, 13:58
Tipsy McStagger wrote on May 16, 2023, 13:02:A previously legitimate company turning into a patent troll isn't unusual (at least in the world of patent trolls), in my experience it often coincides with a change in ownership after the legitimate business runs into a rough patch economically. Someone with money and a legal team (or personal legal experience) steps in and takes over the brand and any IP held by the company, mostly in the hopes of being able to profit of the IP (via licensing) while not spending money on development or actual production.
weird company profile on wikipedia there.. looks like it was a legitimate company at one point then just devolved into lawsuits for technology patents.
the biggest red flag is the CEO is a lawyer and chief counsel.. which makes that much worse optically.
How to defeat patent trolls
1. Give them a complicated riddle or puzzle to solve and send them on their way.
2. Distract them with shiny objects.
3. Hit them with the elemental force of a legal department.
4. Satiate them with 50 gold. Significantly less than the 500 they were demanding, but they'll take it because trolls will be trolls.
1. Give them a complicated riddle or puzzle to solve and send them on their way.
2. Distract them with shiny objects.
3. Hit them with the elemental force of a legal department.
4. Satiate them with 50 gold. Significantly less than the 500 they were demanding, but they'll take it because trolls will be trolls.
"Listen, Peter... with great horsepower comes... the sickest drifts..." - source
Re: Valve Sued Over Steam Deck and Valve Index Technology
May 16, 2023, 13:02
May 16, 2023, 13:02
weird company profile on wikipedia there.. looks like it was a legitimate company at one point then just devolved into lawsuits for technology patents.
the biggest red flag is the CEO is a lawyer and chief counsel.. which makes that much worse optically.
the biggest red flag is the CEO is a lawyer and chief counsel.. which makes that much worse optically.
Valve, sue them back for all they got and then some. But most likely, the troll cave will say that they don't have anything. In this case, I would say that Valve should get all of its expenses for lawyers and so on back by making the trolls go to jail for $10 per day in jail. I think this would be a fair deal that would wipe out patent trolls quickly.
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"Only a Sith deals in absolutes." (Obi-Wan Kenobi, Jedi)
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