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Re: Morning Metaverse
Apr 19, 2023, 13:21
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Re: Morning Metaverse Apr 19, 2023, 13:21
Apr 19, 2023, 13:21
 
I am just really wondering why anyone would use this platform at all anymore. Its run as a useful and informative entity is gone and its a shell of its former self. Time to let it die like its owner appears to want it to do.
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Re: Morning Metaverse
Apr 19, 2023, 13:29
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Re: Morning Metaverse Apr 19, 2023, 13:29
Apr 19, 2023, 13:29
 
Coalfax wrote on Apr 19, 2023, 13:21:
I am just really wondering why anyone would use this platform at all anymore. Its run as a useful and informative entity is gone and its a shell of its former self. Time to let it die like its owner appears to want it to do.
But on a good note it forced Tesla to cut prices for the sixth time this year and done wonders for the stock, if you’re a short seller. Wink Reuters #BestPurchaseEver
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Re: Morning Metaverse
Apr 19, 2023, 14:44
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Re: Morning Metaverse Apr 19, 2023, 14:44
Apr 19, 2023, 14:44
 
RedEye9 wrote on Apr 19, 2023, 13:29:
Coalfax wrote on Apr 19, 2023, 13:21:
I am just really wondering why anyone would use this platform at all anymore. Its run as a useful and informative entity is gone and its a shell of its former self. Time to let it die like its owner appears to want it to do.
But on a good note it forced Tesla to cut prices for the sixth time this year and done wonders for the stock, if you’re a short seller. Wink Reuters #BestPurchaseEver

One of the defenses from many of the acolytes on why Tesla would reign supreme over all other automakers was that (for the past year or two) Teslas were rated by at least one survey as the most profitable automobiles. The profitability was coming from expensive software upgrades that many Silicon Valley tech workers at the time didn't mind dropping 5-digits on at the time as well as some of the EV incentives. That kind of profitability is transitory and easily eroded from any number of directions (competition, decline in number of tech workers and others feeling insecure about their finances, government changes to incentives, etc.). Compare that to the profitability of Apple that comes from a combination of very refined logistics and manufacturing supported by an ecosystem that Apple has successfully built, defended, and improved to maintain that walled moat. Back on the automobile side, luxury makers like Mercedes also topped the profitability chart - because they've developed and defended a niche rather than claiming to take on the whole automobile industry.
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Re: Morning Metaverse
Apr 19, 2023, 16:05
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Re: Morning Metaverse Apr 19, 2023, 16:05
Apr 19, 2023, 16:05
 
Now if only they'd remove the rest...
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Re: Morning Metaverse
Apr 19, 2023, 16:24
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Re: Morning Metaverse Apr 19, 2023, 16:24
Apr 19, 2023, 16:24
 
NotOneOfUs wrote on Apr 19, 2023, 16:05:
Now if only they'd remove the rest...

Why do you think anyone wants to hang around in a place that hates them, or that advertisers would pay to have their brand next to hate?
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Re: Morning Metaverse
Apr 19, 2023, 18:15
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Re: Morning Metaverse Apr 19, 2023, 18:15
Apr 19, 2023, 18:15
 Prez
 
I was trying to figure out why they were calling a conduct policy that had a section against trans abuse as "hateful". Then I realized it was a bad title to the article. On the actual topic, I have to say that people that use abusive language against anyone don't check the website's written policy before using it. I don't care whether or not it's in writing but rather what they do about it when it happens. As usual, journalists and liberals are focusing attention on the part that doesn't matter.

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Re: Morning Metaverse
Apr 19, 2023, 20:48
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Re: Morning Metaverse Apr 19, 2023, 20:48
Apr 19, 2023, 20:48
 
Prez wrote on Apr 19, 2023, 18:15:
I was trying to figure out why they were calling a conduct policy that had a section against trans abuse as "hateful". Then I realized it was a bad title to the article. On the actual topic, I have to say that people that use abusive language against anyone don't check the website's written policy before using it. I don't care whether or not it's in writing but rather what they do about it when it happens. As usual, journalists and liberals are focusing attention on the part that doesn't matter.

Because ALL platforms for communication should have an explicit listing of rules and a list of what lines once crossed will get people removed. This act is explicitly stating that they will no longer remove people for harassing trans people. That isn't a 'part that doesn't matter'. It's an intentional step towards normalizing attacks against trans people.
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Re: Morning Metaverse
Apr 19, 2023, 21:13
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Re: Morning Metaverse Apr 19, 2023, 21:13
Apr 19, 2023, 21:13
 Prez
 
It is counterproductive to try and specify abuse against individual classes of people. The inference being that it's open season on anyone not explicitly mentioned. Bluesnews, for example, does the much more sensible thing and tell you not to be a dick to anyone. Examples are given but anyone not an idiot clearly understands personal attacks of any kind end in action being taken. The real test is what happens when a line does get crossed. If you thought about it sensibly instead of getting over emotional about it you would know it is far better that way.

About Twitter specifically, I am not going to pretend to know the actual reason. But if trans harassment were to go unpunished, then that is something to address. So I will repeat it: stop focusing on things that don't matter.

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Re: Morning Metaverse
Apr 20, 2023, 10:02
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Re: Morning Metaverse Apr 20, 2023, 10:02
Apr 20, 2023, 10:02
 
Prez wrote on Apr 19, 2023, 21:13:
It is counterproductive to try and specify abuse against individual classes of people. The inference being that it's open season on anyone not explicitly mentioned. Bluesnews, for example, does the much more sensible thing and tell you not to be a dick to anyone. Examples are given but anyone not an idiot clearly understands personal attacks of any kind end in action being taken. The real test is what happens when a line does get crossed. If you thought about it sensibly instead of getting over emotional about it you would know it is far better that way.

About Twitter specifically, I am not going to pretend to know the actual reason. But if trans harassment were to go unpunished, then that is something to address. So I will repeat it: stop focusing on things that don't matter.

Reason 1
Reason 2
Reason 3
Reason 4

WE KNOW the damn reason. It's not a mystery. So I will repeat. THIS IS THE THING THAT MATTERS. You are just one more person trying to shift the focus away from it.

You are literally trying to "All lives matter" the situation when its one specific group of people are the ones who are under attack and need support.
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Re: Morning Metaverse
Apr 20, 2023, 10:18
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Re: Morning Metaverse Apr 20, 2023, 10:18
Apr 20, 2023, 10:18
 
Prez wrote on Apr 19, 2023, 21:13:
It is counterproductive to try and specify abuse against individual classes of people. The inference being that it's open season on anyone not explicitly mentioned. Bluesnews, for example, does the much more sensible thing and tell you not to be a dick to anyone. Examples are given but anyone not an idiot clearly understands personal attacks of any kind end in action being taken. The real test is what happens when a line does get crossed. If you thought about it sensibly instead of getting over emotional about it you would know it is far better that way.

About Twitter specifically, I am not going to pretend to know the actual reason. But if trans harassment were to go unpunished, then that is something to address. So I will repeat it: stop focusing on things that don't matter.

Maybe, but we've seen here how some people find that those rules need spelling out, and if they aren't, then people believe enforcing it is a violation of their free speech (they also often find written rules to also be that, so...)
When something is spelled out, it is harder to argue against. When something is spelled out and removed, it seems like now allowing it.

I do agree that it's impossible to spell out every rule, but if you already started that, don't remove them. Especially against people who weaponize "but you didn't ban that person when they did something totally different unless you squint really hard!"

It's fun that the rules here call out "warez." When's the last time that term was used. Does anyone under 35ish know what it is? I actually don't know the answer to that, but it makes me feel old, haha.
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Re: Morning Metaverse
Apr 20, 2023, 11:41
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Re: Morning Metaverse Apr 20, 2023, 11:41
Apr 20, 2023, 11:41
 
Teddy wrote on Apr 20, 2023, 10:02:
Prez wrote on Apr 19, 2023, 21:13:
It is counterproductive to try and specify abuse against individual classes of people. The inference being that it's open season on anyone not explicitly mentioned. Bluesnews, for example, does the much more sensible thing and tell you not to be a dick to anyone. Examples are given but anyone not an idiot clearly understands personal attacks of any kind end in action being taken. The real test is what happens when a line does get crossed. If you thought about it sensibly instead of getting over emotional about it you would know it is far better that way.

About Twitter specifically, I am not going to pretend to know the actual reason. But if trans harassment were to go unpunished, then that is something to address. So I will repeat it: stop focusing on things that don't matter.

Reason 1
Reason 2
Reason 3
Reason 4

WE KNOW the damn reason. It's not a mystery. So I will repeat. THIS IS THE THING THAT MATTERS. You are just one more person trying to shift the focus away from it.

You are literally trying to "All lives matter" the situation when its one specific group of people are the ones who are under attack and need support.
I'm not sure whether musk is a troll or a piece of shit. Best to cover all bases and go with piece of shit troll.
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Re: Morning Metaverse
Apr 20, 2023, 13:44
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Re: Morning Metaverse Apr 20, 2023, 13:44
Apr 20, 2023, 13:44
 Prez
 
You know, I disagree with Beamer a lot, but I respect his opinions on most things because he uses logic and evidence to form his opinion on most things even when he doesn't agree with me. There are others who do that as well but they are few. People who look at things emotionally simply cannot be rational on a subject and instead all too often make incorrect (and frankly insulting) assumptions about someone. The fact is everyone here very much want fair treatment for everyone because they are human beings. The fact that you're thinking is constantly clouded by hyper-emotion (those aside from Beamer) means we cannot communicate however. All of our lives will go on, so it's not the end of the world. I ultimately couldn't care less what you think of me, but I also will not continue to entertain your irrational thinking. I don't think any less of you, I just know you aren't worth engaging currently.
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Re: Morning Metaverse
Apr 20, 2023, 15:35
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Re: Morning Metaverse Apr 20, 2023, 15:35
Apr 20, 2023, 15:35
 
Prez wrote on Apr 20, 2023, 13:44:
You know, I disagree with Beamer a lot, but I respect his opinions on most things because he uses logic and evidence to form his opinion on most things even when he doesn't agree with me. There are others who do that as well but they are few. People who look at things emotionally simply cannot be rational on a subject and instead all too often make incorrect (and frankly insulting) assumptions about someone. The fact is everyone here very much want fair treatment for everyone because they are human beings. The fact that you're thinking is constantly clouded by hyper-emotion (those aside from Beamer) means we cannot communicate however. All of our lives will go on, so it's not the end of the world. I ultimately couldn't care less what you think of me, but I also will not continue to entertain your irrational thinking. I don't think any less of you, I just know you aren't worth engaging currently.

I used to be an absolute ass to you. You know this well, haha.
It's probably what I regret most on this board, and I've mellowed out, gotten more open minded about where people come from, and looked for the good in what may drive bad arguments.

Which, given my posting history here, even recently, is probably scary, haha.

I think the same happened to you, too, though. I think, at some point, you realize how different experiences can make people have bad opinions in genuine and valid ways. Which helps you realize when yours may be bad. Also, I switched from the you you to the royal you halfway through this and I'm ok with that.

I dislike that dissenting opinions have been chased off of here so frequently, even if I acknowledge it's my fault, but I feel like we hit a point in the last 8 or so years where admitting you're wrong, or that your opinion (or, at some point, any opinions at all) can be wrong, misinformed, bad, or harmful, just became the last thing you want to do. That winning is more important than understanding and a broad kindness to people as a group.
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Re: Morning Metaverse
Apr 20, 2023, 16:42
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Re: Morning Metaverse Apr 20, 2023, 16:42
Apr 20, 2023, 16:42
 Prez
 
Beamer wrote on Apr 20, 2023, 15:35:

...I think the same happened to you, too, though. I think, at some point, you realize how different experiences can make people have bad opinions in genuine and valid ways. Which helps you realize when yours may be bad. Also, I switched from the you you to the royal you halfway through this and I'm ok with that.

I dislike that dissenting opinions have been chased off of here so frequently, even if I acknowledge it's my fault, but I feel like we hit a point in the last 8 or so years where admitting you're wrong, or that your opinion (or, at some point, any opinions at all) can be wrong, misinformed, bad, or harmful, just became the last thing you want to do. That winning is more important than understanding and a broad kindness to people as a group.

Absolutely. If I disagree with someone but we both can recognize that we want the same thing, that is very easy to accept once you realize it.
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Re: Morning Metaverse
Apr 20, 2023, 18:15
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Re: Morning Metaverse Apr 20, 2023, 18:15
Apr 20, 2023, 18:15
 
Beamer wrote on Apr 20, 2023, 15:35:
Prez wrote on Apr 20, 2023, 13:44:
You know, I disagree with Beamer a lot, but I respect his opinions on most things because he uses logic and evidence to form his opinion on most things even when he doesn't agree with me. There are others who do that as well but they are few. People who look at things emotionally simply cannot be rational on a subject and instead all too often make incorrect (and frankly insulting) assumptions about someone. The fact is everyone here very much want fair treatment for everyone because they are human beings. The fact that you're thinking is constantly clouded by hyper-emotion (those aside from Beamer) means we cannot communicate however. All of our lives will go on, so it's not the end of the world. I ultimately couldn't care less what you think of me, but I also will not continue to entertain your irrational thinking. I don't think any less of you, I just know you aren't worth engaging currently.

I used to be an absolute ass to you. You know this well, haha.
It's probably what I regret most on this board, and I've mellowed out, gotten more open minded about where people come from, and looked for the good in what may drive bad arguments.

Which, given my posting history here, even recently, is probably scary, haha.

Haha.

Don't mistake lack of intellectual diversity, a decline in critical thinking, and further polarization of this echo chamber as personal development. Based on the archive, I suggest you look behind you and witness the field of straw men. How many more will you build before age and experience give you the wisdom to see the absolute futility of this practice? Instead, may I suggest the practice of building steel men?

The practice of steelmanning involves representing an argument or position in its strongest and most convincing form, rather than misrepresenting or oversimplifying it as is done in strawmanning. This approach has several benefits over strawmanning, including:

1.) Intellectual honesty: Steelmanning requires a commitment to understanding and accurately representing the opposing viewpoint, which demonstrates a commitment to intellectual honesty and fairness in argumentation.

2.) Improved understanding: By engaging with the best version of the opposing argument, one can gain a deeper understanding of the strengths and weaknesses of both sides of an issue. This can lead to more nuanced and informed discussions.

3.) Constructive dialogue: Steelmanning promotes a more constructive and respectful dialogue between individuals with different views, as it encourages active listening and consideration of the other person's perspective.

4.) Stronger arguments: By engaging with the strongest version of an opposing argument, one can identify potential weaknesses in their own position and strengthen their own argument.

Overall, steelmanning is a more effective approach to argumentation than strawmanning, as it promotes intellectual honesty, improves understanding, fosters constructive dialogue, and leads to stronger arguments. You're absolutely welcome!
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Re: Morning Metaverse
Apr 20, 2023, 20:52
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Re: Morning Metaverse Apr 20, 2023, 20:52
Apr 20, 2023, 20:52
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For an AI it can sound really dumb sometimes...
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Re: Morning Metaverse
Apr 20, 2023, 21:12
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Re: Morning Metaverse Apr 20, 2023, 21:12
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Prez wrote on Apr 20, 2023, 20:52:
For an AI it can sound really dumb sometimes...

He has to feed it a bunch of garbage for the prompt to get it to respond that way.
That's what's kind of funny about it... because otherwise it's specifically trained to be extra extra woke.
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Re: Morning Metaverse
Apr 20, 2023, 22:37
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Re: Morning Metaverse Apr 20, 2023, 22:37
Apr 20, 2023, 22:37
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Sepharo wrote on Apr 20, 2023, 21:12:
Prez wrote on Apr 20, 2023, 20:52:
For an AI it can sound really dumb sometimes...

He has to feed it a bunch of garbage for the prompt to get it to respond that way.
That's what's kind of funny about it... because otherwise it's specifically trained to be extra extra woke.

Don't get a big head or nothing, but I was thinking of you specifically when going over my short list of people who disagree with me often but never let emotions cause them to be irrational. I didn't feel comfortable name-dropping you though in case you didn't want the attention. Of the other 2 people that immediately came to mind, one of them is a moderator here and the other is someone we haven't heard from in a while. Remember Scottish Martial Arts? She was fucking SMART.
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Re: Morning Metaverse
Apr 21, 2023, 02:00
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Re: Morning Metaverse Apr 21, 2023, 02:00
Apr 21, 2023, 02:00
 
Prez wrote on Apr 20, 2023, 22:37:
Sepharo wrote on Apr 20, 2023, 21:12:
Prez wrote on Apr 20, 2023, 20:52:
For an AI it can sound really dumb sometimes...

He has to feed it a bunch of garbage for the prompt to get it to respond that way.
That's what's kind of funny about it... because otherwise it's specifically trained to be extra extra woke.

Don't get a big head or nothing, but I was thinking of you specifically when going over my short list of people who disagree with me often but never let emotions cause them to be irrational. I didn't feel comfortable name-dropping you though in case you didn't want the attention. Of the other 2 people that immediately came to mind, one of them is a moderator here and the other is someone we haven't heard from in a while. Remember Scottish Martial Arts? She was fucking SMART.

The somewhat reasonable crew!
Huzzah!

lol

Yeah I remember SMA and a whole bunch of others.
To me none of it ever feels that long ago, not sure if that's a blessing or a curse.

/end circlejerk
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Re: Morning Metaverse
Apr 21, 2023, 08:16
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Re: Morning Metaverse Apr 21, 2023, 08:16
Apr 21, 2023, 08:16
 
Sepharo wrote on Apr 20, 2023, 21:12:
Prez wrote on Apr 20, 2023, 20:52:
For an AI it can sound really dumb sometimes...

He has to feed it a bunch of garbage for the prompt to get it to respond that way.
That's what's kind of funny about it... because otherwise it's specifically trained to be extra extra woke.

This isn't true at all so far. You asked me to include the prompts a while back. I shared them. It was quiet after. Maybe the silence was the product of cognitive dissonance.
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