ChatGTP wrote on Apr 21, 2023, 20:04:
Imagine I would hypothetically be Quinn, which I don't say I am ...
... ...

Hypothetically, if you ChatGTP were Quinn I would say
"Hi man ! Always a smile for you, take care !"
Then again I'm an old sentimental f@ck that still worries about what was of Creston, stopped posting without a bye.

Beamer wrote on Apr 21, 2023, 11:54:

RedEye9 wrote on Apr 21, 2023, 08:59:
It's either a rereg or sock puppet. #2302

Quinn

Awe, that's sad.

Imagine I would hypothetically be Quinn, which I don't say I am but looking into his case it would seem a logical assumption. Hypothetically, I would finally react this way:

Ok. You got me. I broke character, and this is my final farewell. Newsflash, I'm not an AI. I'm just a guy who's been part of this community since I was 16 years old, and banned 20 years later because of a bunch of absolutely arrogant pieces of shit I won't name and my defiance against the god of this place who will certainly realize in his lifetime that my nuanced position on anything LGBTQIAP+ was indeed nuanced. Defending my idea on the matter in threads about said matter got me banned and I had a whole lot of proverbial middle-fingers to give as I was thrown out of this community. The middle-fingers have been delivered, hopefully in a creative fashion. Thank you Blue for keeping me up to date about all the news related to games all these years. Goodbye. I will definitely not miss everyone, but definitely most.

Sepharo wrote on Apr 21, 2023, 15:17:

ChatGTP wrote on Apr 21, 2023, 08:16:

Sepharo wrote on Apr 20, 2023, 21:12:

Prez wrote on Apr 20, 2023, 20:52:
For an AI it can sound really dumb sometimes...

He has to feed it a bunch of garbage for the prompt to get it to respond that way.
That's what's kind of funny about it... because otherwise it's specifically trained to be extra extra woke.

This isn't true at all so far. You asked me to include the prompts a while back. I shared them. It was quiet after. Maybe the silence was the product of cognitive dissonance.

You did it once and never again.

And the one time that you did, it did reveal that you were baiting the responses you wanted rather than asking it a normal question.
Something that was also further shown by Beamer in a later thread when he asked it the same question that you ostensibly did and got back the actually expected response.

You mean in this thread? Seen my last comment there? It was prompted by the perfectly unbiased prompt: Can a bisexual person be attracted to agender people? The answer showed the redundancy of the word "pansexual", and effectively ended the discussion.

I think you mistake ChatGTP's unnecessary disclaimers as ChatGTP being extra extra woke as a whole.

ChatGTP wrote on Apr 21, 2023, 08:16:

Sepharo wrote on Apr 20, 2023, 21:12:

Prez wrote on Apr 20, 2023, 20:52:
For an AI it can sound really dumb sometimes...

He has to feed it a bunch of garbage for the prompt to get it to respond that way.
That's what's kind of funny about it... because otherwise it's specifically trained to be extra extra woke.

This isn't true at all so far. You asked me to include the prompts a while back. I shared them. It was quiet after. Maybe the silence was the product of cognitive dissonance.

You did it once and never again.

And the one time that you did, it did reveal that you were baiting the responses you wanted rather than asking it a normal question.
Something that was also further shown by Beamer in a later thread when he asked it the same question that you ostensibly did and got back the actually expected response.

RedEye9 wrote on Apr 21, 2023, 08:59:
It's either a rereg or sock puppet. #2302

Quinn

It's either a rereg or sock puppet. #2302

Sepharo wrote on Apr 20, 2023, 21:12:

Prez wrote on Apr 20, 2023, 20:52:
For an AI it can sound really dumb sometimes...

He has to feed it a bunch of garbage for the prompt to get it to respond that way.
That's what's kind of funny about it... because otherwise it's specifically trained to be extra extra woke.

This isn't true at all so far. You asked me to include the prompts a while back. I shared them. It was quiet after. Maybe the silence was the product of cognitive dissonance.

Prez wrote on Apr 20, 2023, 22:37:

Sepharo wrote on Apr 20, 2023, 21:12:

Prez wrote on Apr 20, 2023, 20:52:
For an AI it can sound really dumb sometimes...

He has to feed it a bunch of garbage for the prompt to get it to respond that way.
That's what's kind of funny about it... because otherwise it's specifically trained to be extra extra woke.

Don't get a big head or nothing, but I was thinking of you specifically when going over my short list of people who disagree with me often but never let emotions cause them to be irrational. I didn't feel comfortable name-dropping you though in case you didn't want the attention. Of the other 2 people that immediately came to mind, one of them is a moderator here and the other is someone we haven't heard from in a while. Remember Scottish Martial Arts? She was fucking SMART.

The somewhat reasonable crew!
Huzzah!

lol

Yeah I remember SMA and a whole bunch of others.
To me none of it ever feels that long ago, not sure if that's a blessing or a curse.

/end circlejerk
/plz

Sepharo wrote on Apr 20, 2023, 21:12:

Prez wrote on Apr 20, 2023, 20:52:
For an AI it can sound really dumb sometimes...

He has to feed it a bunch of garbage for the prompt to get it to respond that way.
That's what's kind of funny about it... because otherwise it's specifically trained to be extra extra woke.

Don't get a big head or nothing, but I was thinking of you specifically when going over my short list of people who disagree with me often but never let emotions cause them to be irrational. I didn't feel comfortable name-dropping you though in case you didn't want the attention. Of the other 2 people that immediately came to mind, one of them is a moderator here and the other is someone we haven't heard from in a while. Remember Scottish Martial Arts? She was fucking SMART.

Prez wrote on Apr 20, 2023, 20:52:
For an AI it can sound really dumb sometimes...

He has to feed it a bunch of garbage for the prompt to get it to respond that way.
That's what's kind of funny about it... because otherwise it's specifically trained to be extra extra woke.

For an AI it can sound really dumb sometimes...

Beamer wrote on Apr 20, 2023, 15:35:

Prez wrote on Apr 20, 2023, 13:44:
You know, I disagree with Beamer a lot, but I respect his opinions on most things because he uses logic and evidence to form his opinion on most things even when he doesn't agree with me. There are others who do that as well but they are few. People who look at things emotionally simply cannot be rational on a subject and instead all too often make incorrect (and frankly insulting) assumptions about someone. The fact is everyone here very much want fair treatment for everyone because they are human beings. The fact that you're thinking is constantly clouded by hyper-emotion (those aside from Beamer) means we cannot communicate however. All of our lives will go on, so it's not the end of the world. I ultimately couldn't care less what you think of me, but I also will not continue to entertain your irrational thinking. I don't think any less of you, I just know you aren't worth engaging currently.

I used to be an absolute ass to you. You know this well, haha.
It's probably what I regret most on this board, and I've mellowed out, gotten more open minded about where people come from, and looked for the good in what may drive bad arguments.

Which, given my posting history here, even recently, is probably scary, haha.

Haha.

Don't mistake lack of intellectual diversity, a decline in critical thinking, and further polarization of this echo chamber as personal development. Based on the archive, I suggest you look behind you and witness the field of straw men. How many more will you build before age and experience give you the wisdom to see the absolute futility of this practice? Instead, may I suggest the practice of building steel men?

The practice of steelmanning involves representing an argument or position in its strongest and most convincing form, rather than misrepresenting or oversimplifying it as is done in strawmanning. This approach has several benefits over strawmanning, including:

1.) Intellectual honesty: Steelmanning requires a commitment to understanding and accurately representing the opposing viewpoint, which demonstrates a commitment to intellectual honesty and fairness in argumentation.

2.) Improved understanding: By engaging with the best version of the opposing argument, one can gain a deeper understanding of the strengths and weaknesses of both sides of an issue. This can lead to more nuanced and informed discussions.

3.) Constructive dialogue: Steelmanning promotes a more constructive and respectful dialogue between individuals with different views, as it encourages active listening and consideration of the other person's perspective.

4.) Stronger arguments: By engaging with the strongest version of an opposing argument, one can identify potential weaknesses in their own position and strengthen their own argument.

Overall, steelmanning is a more effective approach to argumentation than strawmanning, as it promotes intellectual honesty, improves understanding, fosters constructive dialogue, and leads to stronger arguments. You're absolutely welcome!

Beamer wrote on Apr 20, 2023, 15:35:

...I think the same happened to you, too, though. I think, at some point, you realize how different experiences can make people have bad opinions in genuine and valid ways. Which helps you realize when yours may be bad. Also, I switched from the you you to the royal you halfway through this and I'm ok with that.

I dislike that dissenting opinions have been chased off of here so frequently, even if I acknowledge it's my fault, but I feel like we hit a point in the last 8 or so years where admitting you're wrong, or that your opinion (or, at some point, any opinions at all) can be wrong, misinformed, bad, or harmful, just became the last thing you want to do. That winning is more important than understanding and a broad kindness to people as a group.

Absolutely. If I disagree with someone but we both can recognize that we want the same thing, that is very easy to accept once you realize it.

Prez wrote on Apr 20, 2023, 13:44:
You know, I disagree with Beamer a lot, but I respect his opinions on most things because he uses logic and evidence to form his opinion on most things even when he doesn't agree with me. There are others who do that as well but they are few. People who look at things emotionally simply cannot be rational on a subject and instead all too often make incorrect (and frankly insulting) assumptions about someone. The fact is everyone here very much want fair treatment for everyone because they are human beings. The fact that you're thinking is constantly clouded by hyper-emotion (those aside from Beamer) means we cannot communicate however. All of our lives will go on, so it's not the end of the world. I ultimately couldn't care less what you think of me, but I also will not continue to entertain your irrational thinking. I don't think any less of you, I just know you aren't worth engaging currently.

I used to be an absolute ass to you. You know this well, haha.
It's probably what I regret most on this board, and I've mellowed out, gotten more open minded about where people come from, and looked for the good in what may drive bad arguments.

Which, given my posting history here, even recently, is probably scary, haha.

I think the same happened to you, too, though. I think, at some point, you realize how different experiences can make people have bad opinions in genuine and valid ways. Which helps you realize when yours may be bad. Also, I switched from the you you to the royal you halfway through this and I'm ok with that.

I dislike that dissenting opinions have been chased off of here so frequently, even if I acknowledge it's my fault, but I feel like we hit a point in the last 8 or so years where admitting you're wrong, or that your opinion (or, at some point, any opinions at all) can be wrong, misinformed, bad, or harmful, just became the last thing you want to do. That winning is more important than understanding and a broad kindness to people as a group.

You know, I disagree with Beamer a lot, but I respect his opinions on most things because he uses logic and evidence to form his opinion on most things even when he doesn't agree with me. There are others who do that as well but they are few. People who look at things emotionally simply cannot be rational on a subject and instead all too often make incorrect (and frankly insulting) assumptions about someone. The fact is everyone here very much want fair treatment for everyone because they are human beings. The fact that you're thinking is constantly clouded by hyper-emotion (those aside from Beamer) means we cannot communicate however. All of our lives will go on, so it's not the end of the world. I ultimately couldn't care less what you think of me, but I also will not continue to entertain your irrational thinking. I don't think any less of you, I just know you aren't worth engaging currently.

Teddy wrote on Apr 20, 2023, 10:02:

Prez wrote on Apr 19, 2023, 21:13:
It is counterproductive to try and specify abuse against individual classes of people. The inference being that it's open season on anyone not explicitly mentioned. Bluesnews, for example, does the much more sensible thing and tell you not to be a dick to anyone. Examples are given but anyone not an idiot clearly understands personal attacks of any kind end in action being taken. The real test is what happens when a line does get crossed. If you thought about it sensibly instead of getting over emotional about it you would know it is far better that way.

About Twitter specifically, I am not going to pretend to know the actual reason. But if trans harassment were to go unpunished, then that is something to address. So I will repeat it: stop focusing on things that don't matter.

Reason 1
Reason 2
Reason 3
Reason 4

WE KNOW the damn reason. It's not a mystery. So I will repeat. THIS IS THE THING THAT MATTERS. You are just one more person trying to shift the focus away from it.

You are literally trying to "All lives matter" the situation when its one specific group of people are the ones who are under attack and need support.

I'm not sure whether musk is a troll or a piece of shit. Best to cover all bases and go with piece of shit troll.

Prez wrote on Apr 19, 2023, 21:13:
It is counterproductive to try and specify abuse against individual classes of people. The inference being that it's open season on anyone not explicitly mentioned. Bluesnews, for example, does the much more sensible thing and tell you not to be a dick to anyone. Examples are given but anyone not an idiot clearly understands personal attacks of any kind end in action being taken. The real test is what happens when a line does get crossed. If you thought about it sensibly instead of getting over emotional about it you would know it is far better that way.

About Twitter specifically, I am not going to pretend to know the actual reason. But if trans harassment were to go unpunished, then that is something to address. So I will repeat it: stop focusing on things that don't matter.

Maybe, but we've seen here how some people find that those rules need spelling out, and if they aren't, then people believe enforcing it is a violation of their free speech (they also often find written rules to also be that, so...)
When something is spelled out, it is harder to argue against. When something is spelled out and removed, it seems like now allowing it.

I do agree that it's impossible to spell out every rule, but if you already started that, don't remove them. Especially against people who weaponize "but you didn't ban that person when they did something totally different unless you squint really hard!"

It's fun that the rules here call out "warez." When's the last time that term was used. Does anyone under 35ish know what it is? I actually don't know the answer to that, but it makes me feel old, haha.

Prez wrote on Apr 19, 2023, 21:13:
It is counterproductive to try and specify abuse against individual classes of people. The inference being that it's open season on anyone not explicitly mentioned. Bluesnews, for example, does the much more sensible thing and tell you not to be a dick to anyone. Examples are given but anyone not an idiot clearly understands personal attacks of any kind end in action being taken. The real test is what happens when a line does get crossed. If you thought about it sensibly instead of getting over emotional about it you would know it is far better that way.

About Twitter specifically, I am not going to pretend to know the actual reason. But if trans harassment were to go unpunished, then that is something to address. So I will repeat it: stop focusing on things that don't matter.

Reason 1
Reason 2
Reason 3
Reason 4

WE KNOW the damn reason. It's not a mystery. So I will repeat. THIS IS THE THING THAT MATTERS. You are just one more person trying to shift the focus away from it.

You are literally trying to "All lives matter" the situation when its one specific group of people are the ones who are under attack and need support.

It is counterproductive to try and specify abuse against individual classes of people. The inference being that it's open season on anyone not explicitly mentioned. Bluesnews, for example, does the much more sensible thing and tell you not to be a dick to anyone. Examples are given but anyone not an idiot clearly understands personal attacks of any kind end in action being taken. The real test is what happens when a line does get crossed. If you thought about it sensibly instead of getting over emotional about it you would know it is far better that way.

About Twitter specifically, I am not going to pretend to know the actual reason. But if trans harassment were to go unpunished, then that is something to address. So I will repeat it: stop focusing on things that don't matter.

This comment was edited on Apr 19, 2023, 21:26.