Beamer wrote on Apr 5, 2023, 10:56:
I'm assuming that means to subway crazies, right?
I think I know the answer for you, but I get a bit frustrated any time there's video of a crazy on the NYC Subway shouting racist things, or playing music loudly, or laying across multiple seats during rush hour, or whathaveyou, and everyone is all "why aren't the cowards saying anything or telling him to stop?!" For the most part, because we know that they're mentally ill due to their actions, or looking for a fight, or both, and it's easier to just keep your eyes forward than be a hero and get punched and/or stabbed. Unless the person is an immediate threat to someone, just eyes forward.
You are correct, though I've never had the pleasure of witnessing the spectacle of NY subway crazies. The couple of times I was there, I never took the subway.
For me, the line is very clear. You, as an individual, have the natural right to defend
yourself, your family, and your property up to and including lethal force if justified and if, and only if, you are under direct, immediate threat. However, you do not
have the right to go on the offensive of your own volition. That falls in to "leave people the fuck alone". Yes, even if they are being annoying on the subway.
"Just take a look around you, what do you see? Pain, suffering, and misery." -Black Sabbath, Killing Yourself to Live.
“Man was born free, and he is everywhere in chains” -Jean-Jacques Rousseau