In other news, EGS still shows PlayStation reviews from 2022. There are finally user reviews. 3.3/5 stars with no mentioned pros. Probably a lot of EGS refunders.

Prez wrote on Mar 29, 2023, 23:11:
It's something that just makes no sense yet it continually happens. I simply do not see how a company doesn't lose far more than it gains when it releases a port in such bad shape that it is simply impossible that they didn't know exactly what they were doing. I just don't see how the initial sales can supercede the blow to the company's reputation and long term sales of its titles.

They had to release it to make the holiday sales window.

Can Sony be as clueless as to ignore the sure damage to its reputation and future sales of any title, that this would entail among PC users ?

Perhaps Sony isn't worried about us, and willfully permitted this failed port as propaganda that you better buy a PS5 (even a PS4) or have a super PC as anything less can't cope and is subpar to its console.

A title of this caliber and no early previews to any PC gaming sites ? Sony knew and decided this.

jdreyer wrote on Mar 29, 2023, 16:36:

ChatGTP wrote on Mar 29, 2023, 11:51:
I believe that extremely bad PC ports from popular publishers are unacceptable. They harm the reputation of the publisher, exclude a large portion of the audience, and ultimately lead to frustration and disappointment among players. Publishers have a responsibility to ensure that their products are of high quality and accessible to all players, regardless of their platform of choice.

To guarantee optimal performance on average PC systems, developers can undertake various steps such as code optimization through efficient algorithms, reducing shader complexity, utilizing texture compression techniques, employing efficient file compression algorithms, memory allocation optimization, minimizing CPU utilization through multithreading and concurrency practices, identifying and resolving potential software conflicts, and performing rigorous testing across multiple PC configurations. All of which Sony couldn't give two farts about, apparently.

Nice take, ChatGPT. Pretty sure you didn't write that last sentence though.

Wow, way to to be prejudiced, just because it's AI doesn't mean it's wrong. SMH

It's something that just makes no sense yet it continually happens. I simply do not see how a company doesn't lose far more than it gains when it releases a port in such bad shape that it is simply impossible that they didn't know exactly what they were doing. I just don't see how the initial sales can supercede the blow to the company's reputation and long term sales of its titles.

RedEye9 wrote on Mar 29, 2023, 16:46:
Dude has a monster gaming rig (12900/4090). All cpu cores pegged for 15 minutes to compile shaders.
He liked the game and didn't run across any major issues.
"I Tried 'The Last of Us: Part 1' on PC to see if it's THAT bad... [4K]" https://youtu.be/5tOX99OnBMg
LukeStephensTV - 370K subscribers

So min spec for TLoU on PC is (12900/4090). I guess it will be a few years before I can play this then.

Dude has a monster gaming rig (12900/4090). All cpu cores pegged for 15 minutes to compile shaders.
He liked the game and didn't run across any major issues.
"I Tried 'The Last of Us: Part 1' on PC to see if it's THAT bad... [4K]" https://youtu.be/5tOX99OnBMg
LukeStephensTV - 370K subscribers

ChatGTP wrote on Mar 29, 2023, 11:51:
I believe that extremely bad PC ports from popular publishers are unacceptable. They harm the reputation of the publisher, exclude a large portion of the audience, and ultimately lead to frustration and disappointment among players. Publishers have a responsibility to ensure that their products are of high quality and accessible to all players, regardless of their platform of choice.

To guarantee optimal performance on average PC systems, developers can undertake various steps such as code optimization through efficient algorithms, reducing shader complexity, utilizing texture compression techniques, employing efficient file compression algorithms, memory allocation optimization, minimizing CPU utilization through multithreading and concurrency practices, identifying and resolving potential software conflicts, and performing rigorous testing across multiple PC configurations. All of which Sony couldn't give two farts about, apparently.

Nice take, ChatGPT. Pretty sure you didn't write that last sentence though.

jacobvandy wrote on Mar 28, 2023, 17:18:
The sequel is objectively the greatest achievement in narrative gameplay of all time. ***snip*** There it is.

Hard disagree not only with your opinion, but the mispelling of the word 'subjectively'.

First game was brilliant story telling with amazing acting. The DLC carried on that tradition. The second game seemed to throw the positivity of the story out the window and then double down on all of the problematic gameplay issues that were inherent in the first. The acting and story felt forced and a bit shoehorned. They embraced a viral marketing campaign and any reasonable criticism was dismissed and swept under the rug with the excuse that the real motivation was conservative silliness.

The show was a great bit of work and I loved how they brought out the stories of some of the secondary characters in the game. Did not care for their reimagination of Tess and Joel's relationship.

I believe that extremely bad PC ports from popular publishers are unacceptable. They harm the reputation of the publisher, exclude a large portion of the audience, and ultimately lead to frustration and disappointment among players. Publishers have a responsibility to ensure that their products are of high quality and accessible to all players, regardless of their platform of choice.

To guarantee optimal performance on average PC systems, developers can undertake various steps such as code optimization through efficient algorithms, reducing shader complexity, utilizing texture compression techniques, employing efficient file compression algorithms, memory allocation optimization, minimizing CPU utilization through multithreading and concurrency practices, identifying and resolving potential software conflicts, and performing rigorous testing across multiple PC configurations. All of which Sony couldn't give two farts about, apparently.

The Flying Penguin wrote on Mar 29, 2023, 09:30:
Just checked Steam's page. 6,400 user reviews, mostly negative, and the reviews are scathing.

There are no critic reviews listed on Metacritic, so I'm guessing Naughty Dog knew the game was fucked, and refused to release review keys ahead of time? Even more egregious.

Hope they fix it eventually as I would like to play the game some day.

Everyone was rightfully worried after it was known who was doing the port. Add in the fact that no review copies were releasedy and the rest is history.
The new motto is if cdpr can do it so can we.

So you're saying this is a rare occurrence that a tv show that's based on a game is better than the game? Hmm...

Just checked Steam's page. 6,400 user reviews, mostly negative, and the reviews are scathing.

There are no critic reviews listed on Metacritic, so I'm guessing Naughty Dog knew the game was fucked, and refused to release review keys ahead of time? Even more egregious.

Hope they fix it eventually as I would like to play the game some day.

jacobvandy wrote on Mar 28, 2023, 17:18:
The sequel is objectively the greatest achievement in narrative gameplay of all time. Anyone who grew up playing video games and has been waiting for the interactive arts to converge with cinema, so that you're literally playing a part in what's happening on-screen, the whole time on the edge of your seat watching the drama unfold and waiting with bated breath to see what's going to happen next... There it is.

This here is proof of how the bell curve applies to everything.

jacobvandy wrote on Mar 28, 2023, 17:18:
The sequel is objectively the greatest achievement in narrative gameplay of all time. Anyone who grew up playing video games and has been waiting for the interactive arts to converge with cinema, so that you're literally playing a part in what's happening on-screen, the whole time on the edge of your seat watching the drama unfold and waiting with bated breath to see what's going to happen next... There it is.

any opinion =/= "objectively"

Prez wrote on Mar 28, 2023, 21:24:

Sepharo wrote on Mar 28, 2023, 21:21:
I was pretty excited when they finally made a TV show because I could just not get into the gameplay at all.
3rd person action adventure just ain't my thing.
I tried to stick it out for the story, but very early on when I'm cranking some generator handle and zombies are scripted to attack me while I do it no matter what sort of preparations I make beforehand... No thanks!

How did you like it? Haven't watched it yet myself.

I really liked it. I thought the characters were great and well acted.
I'm glad it wasn't a zombie smash-up all the time... but that's also the main complaint I heard in my circles, "where are all the zombies?"
There was definitely some great action scenes... but I'll take character and general immersion all day over that.
It was definitely a high production value, uh, production, and well scripted/directed imo.

Good appraisal, thanks. It's valuable to have someone with hands-on experience who can avoid an overall over-emotional reaction early on. I remember the email I sent to Valve when I first went to try Half-life 2. Upon release it was utterly unplayable. Let's just say I was shocked and embarrassed when I calmed down and reread it. 😲

I picked it up early, have been busy with other stuff, but thought I would give it a shot tonight for first (brief) impressions. Story telling is pretty awesome, no surprises there. The issue seems to be with micro stutters, slow loads, and endless "please wait" spinning circles popping up on the screen. Personally I am fine to wait for a patch since I am playing some other really good games, but I can see how some others would be pretty annoyed. UE 5.1 is supposed to address shader caching but obviously this is not one of those games, although it does look really good.

Yeah I have heard some less than glowing reviews, but mostly it has reviewed well amongst reviewers I trust and it looks like something I would really dig. I don't care if they stray from the narrative of the game's but respecting the characters is paramount. That's where I think Amazon's LOTR failed spectacularly.

It's really good Prez.