Sepharo, glad you feel covered and it works for you.

This comment was edited on Mar 25, 2023, 12:17.

The FAQ for the Discovery Queue says:
The Discovery Queue will not show any product that is already in your library, on your wishlist, or that you've seen in a Discovery Queue previously
<shrug>
that seems to work well enough for me using this stuff

Prez, easy man.

You simply have abilities above the norm in certain aspects that look worrisome/miraculous/obsessive to the averagely limited, even as they themselves may individually be outstanding in others.

Cataloguing is speedy & easy peasy for me, allowing to find cartloads of rare overlooked or dissed gaming gems -to my likings of course, also may help that I hack the hell out of them-.

No alternative to eliminating Steam's extreme glut.

This comment was edited on Mar 25, 2023, 12:15.

Yeah... 36,168 games you've clicked ignored on... I dunno that seems crazy to me.
I also use Steam's various recommendation features and queues to occasionally find games I might be interested and it seems to work just fine without

ignoring any games, let alone 36,168 of them.

This is not something I actively advertise because it could very much imply an unhealthy obsession, addiction, or OCD that I haven't been diagnosed with yet, but since you were shocked at his number, I thought it might be interesting to you that my ignore list, as of checking it just now, is 105,733. I took a screenshot because you might find that number kind of hard to believe. Just not sure how to share an image on this forum.

One thing that I recently found out is that the company that bought the Atari name and rebranded only payed for the name. They own none of the properties associated with the Atari of old. I didn't fact check that but assuming the information in the video I watched was correct that is interesting and more than a little bizarre.

WannaLogAlready wrote on Mar 24, 2023, 17:50:

Sepharo wrote on Mar 24, 2023, 16:31:

RogueSix wrote on Mar 24, 2023, 10:21:
[...] and tens of thousands of ignored Steam games.

Pretty sure that's kxmode, unless someone else is doing that insane thing as well.

edit: Err, yeah I guess, it's him too. I thought the first time he brought it up in response to kxmode that he was 'avin a giggle... but I guess he was serious since there are more posts about that later.

Sheparo, what happened to you man.

Presenting, Steam: The insane horror !

Carefully selected Free Games : 535
Not free: 3852 (my country has ridiculous Steam discounts, world most favored)
Marked as ignored: 36168 (focused & methodic is easy for some, and always got the bonuses at work, tsk tsk )

Yeah... 36,168 games you've clicked ignored on... I dunno that seems crazy to me.
I also use Steam's various recommendation features and queues to occasionally find games I might be interested and it seems to work just fine without ignoring any games, let alone 36,168 of them.

I've never really been one to use negative feedback on such things though... I worry that by clicking thumbs down on something that I'm training the algo in a way that I didn't intend. Like, maybe I think, "that's a thumbs down because I don't like the art style," but the algo doesn't know that and thinks I just don't like the genre or something. I know ignore is a bit different than that (assuming it only hides the game), but still just don't see the need to hide stuff...
Also.. what if I change my mind? ... Wouldn't be given that opportunity if it's hidden forever.

An example of how careful I am about using Like/Dislike...
My Watchlist / Seen / Like / Dislike numbers from the JustWatch site where I track my movies.
589 / 790 / 182 / 2
https://i.imgur.com/3aufhbZ.png

So is it true that I only liked 182 of the 790 movies I've marked as Seen? Or that I only disliked 2 of them? Nah.
I just think that it's important to maintain variety by not feeding the algo too much negativity.

Sepharo wrote on Mar 24, 2023, 16:31:

RogueSix wrote on Mar 24, 2023, 10:21:
[...] and tens of thousands of ignored Steam games.

Pretty sure that's kxmode, unless someone else is doing that insane thing as well.

edit: Err, yeah I guess, it's him too. I thought the first time he brought it up in response to kxmode that he was 'avin a giggle... but I guess he was serious since there are more posts about that later.

Sheparo, what happened to you man.

Presenting, Steam: The insane horror !

Carefully selected Free Games : 535
Not free: 3852 (my country has ridiculous Steam discounts, world most favored)
Marked as ignored: 36168 (focused & methodic is easy for some, and always got the bonuses at work, tsk tsk )

RogueSix wrote on Mar 24, 2023, 10:21:
[...] and tens of thousands of ignored Steam games.

Pretty sure that's kxmode, unless someone else is doing that insane thing as well.

edit: Err, yeah I guess, it's him too. I thought the first time he brought it up in response to kxmode that he was 'avin a giggle... but I guess he was serious since there are more posts about that later.

Xylemon wrote on Mar 24, 2023, 00:34:
Bought up second hand copies of games like Gunman Chronicles (a game they do not own or cannot remaster) then sold it for 60 bucks on their own website. Stephen Kick even tweeted about doing stuff like this:

That is kind of scummy.

I gave away my copy a long time ago. Not a great game, but I wish I hadn't.

WannaLogAlready wrote on Mar 24, 2023, 04:51:
"I have not played any of those garbage games from Nightdive."
Yep, confirming logic/valid reasons before reaching conclusions

There are ways to inform yourself without actually playing a game, you know?
Also, if you (me) have played some games (including some of the originals that Nightdive have rehashed poorly) and if you generally have a very long term experience playing games then you know what you like, and when you see something, you simply know if it's garbage (to you) or not.

It's called experience. You should try that some time.

Aren't you the guy with thousands of games on Steam and tens of thousands of ignored Steam games? Instead of playing Steam, I would suggest playing some actual games some time instead of just collecting and ignoring games. Then you might get that level of experience as well. It's amazing, I tells ya.

@Xylemon has done a tremendous job listing all of the reasons why Nightdive certainly were not "exceptionally good" as you stated. Kudos to @Xylemon for digging up all the indisputable facts that the blind fanbois are ignorant of. Nightdive are no loss to the gaming world if Atari assimilates them. Buh-bye, Nightdive. Buh-bye.

"I have not played any of those garbage games from Nightdive."
Yep, confirming logic/valid reasons before reaching conclusions

WannaLogAlready wrote on Mar 23, 2023, 14:14:

RogueSix wrote on Mar 23, 2023, 13:27:
... ...
Were they? Delays galore, cancelled projects... the System Shock demo was completely unimpressive imo. If there is or was anything that made them "exceptional" then it must be pretty well hidden.

What can I say ? How about reserving a score till actually *playing* SS when it comes out ?

Thanks to Nightdive I finished/replayed and *loved* :

Strife: Veteran Edition
Turok 1: Dinosaur Hunter - Excellent remake without blinding fog !.
Turok 2: Seeds of Evil - Very good
Blood: Fresh Supply - Very good
Doom 64 - Very good
Shadow Man Remastered - Very good
Quake - Very good
PowerSlave Exhumed (isn't the superior PC version -didn't get the permit-, but a Saturn-PS1 remix, but good anyway)

I know that even if you didn't play any of these games or didn't like them, you feel compelled to give us your definitive opinion, as others I recall from you:

- Deus Ex games' Adam Jenssen: "... dipshit ... complete sore los-er ... dumb asshole."

- Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic (Kotor 1 and 2):
"One of the most boring and overrated games ever ... old garbage."

- Dark Souls, and From(software) titles in general: " ... the most overrated janky garbage ever created."

Dude, do you seriously keep track of people's postings and keep them in a drawer for a fitting opportunity?

This isn't the first time you have done this either. While you might think you look clever to your fangirls here, I honestly think this user stalking a bit scary but mostly sad. Really sad. Why not address the current topic instead of airing what only you consider dirty laundry from days long gone?

BTW, you definitely misquoted me on KotOR. Only KotOR 1 is one of the most overrated boring shit games in history. I said positive stuff about KotOR 2 (Sith Lords) and it's one of the few games I have played twice over the years which is a rarity for me. So please correct your stalking documents. Next time you stalk me, at least get the quotes right. kthx.

That said, I stand by every single one of those statements. With regard to the list of pathetic Nightdive games (poorly made rehashes more like), you are right, I have not played any of those garbage games from Nightdive.
To me, Nightdive being assimilated by Atari is no loss. Good riddance.
Re System Shock Remake: Ancient, not aged well gameplay and poor level design aside, the cyberspace crap in the System Shock demo bored me to tears. And this was just one of many, many of those sequences in the finished game. You would have to pay me to torture myself with that crap.

So, yeah, the only things I will remember Nightdive for are endless delays, cancelled projects and that super-shitty Shock demo. That's my opinion and it ain't gonna change. And you can add quotes from this post to your user stalking folder, I don't care, but please do it right this time!

Timmeh wrote on Mar 23, 2023, 18:27:

RogueSix wrote on Mar 23, 2023, 13:27:

WannaLogAlready wrote on Mar 23, 2023, 12:38:
Goodby Nigthdive, you were exceptionally good.

Were they? Delays galore, cancelled projects... the System Shock demo was completely unimpressive imo. If there is or was anything that made them "exceptional" then it must be pretty well hidden.

Your opinion is like a complete and total clueless joke.

Nightdive has done their fair share of mistakes and poor decision making, clearly they didn't sell themselves to Atari for no reason, I imagine they have been struggling immensely with funding the System Shock remake.

They have also done a number of things worthy of criticism:

• Their handling of the System Shock remake with the constant delays, using Warren Spector as a marketing tool (remember when he was involved?), along with screwing over all those backers with this deal. Now the project is in control of another company those people did not back, were not informed of, nor did they consent to this.

• Turning "preservation" and "nostalgia" into a marketing tool to overstate their own efforts while never acknowledging and ultimately devaluing the people who actually spend years of their lives documenting, reimplementing, and fixing the games they love for free. How many of you even know that Blade Runner has ran on ScummVM for a number of years now? Free and open source too. Every time their CEO says he's "preserving" games I genuinely roll my eyes. I can't find an archive.org page for Nightdive. Their Github is pretty weak if you consider how many games they've done.

• Had their developers do damage control via their personal YouTube (like Modern Vintage Gamer) for the poor handling of remasters like Blade Runner. Very unprofessional and inappropriate conduct, where was the CEO's statement or videos on the matter? Why are the devs the fall guys?

• Having quite pricey remasters for very old games (20 bucks for each Turok game seven years after remaster, really?). These prices would be more justified if they actually liberated the games they resell. Only liberated two so far, Strife VE doesn't count as they were legally obliged thanks to the GPL and SiN's game logic was already public but under a terribly limited license to this very day.

• Bought up second hand copies of games like Gunman Chronicles (a game they do not own or cannot remaster) then sold it for 60 bucks on their own website. Stephen Kick even tweeted about doing stuff like this:
  
  

  "...I'll be listing a massive amount of PC games on eBay in the coming days as I've run out of space! I bought many of these with the intention of doing re-releases through @NightdiveStudio but it was not meant to be".

  
  Not a good look.

• Let's not forget about (cancelled?) "remasters" like SiN: Reloaded. That reeked of a cash grab with lazy Waifu2x upscaling and every piece of promotional material literally being the first level.

In fairness, some good stuff they did:

• Brought interest to old games in an accessible way

• Released their games on DRM-free platforms like GOG

• Seemed to care and put in effort when they first started out with games like System Shock, Turok, and Shadowman (can't say the same now however)

• Released and liberated the source code for System Shock (original Mac version only, no remasters) and their Machines Remaster.

The ends don't always justify the means though, and the reality of Nightdive's contributions are mixed at best, and sometimes harmful at worst. It would be nice if people would stop giving them a free pass for every criticism they receive. They are not infallible.

Edit: Wanted to remove the point about Turok 2's Workshop, as it was one dev speaking "nonofficially" so it's not a fair criticism. And I removed the outright scalping accusation, because the evidence is circumstantial, but their buying up and reselling of game boxes at that kind of price is still not something I would personally approve of.

This comment was edited on Mar 24, 2023, 03:31.

Timmeh wrote on Mar 23, 2023, 18:27:
Your opinion is like a complete and total clueless joke.

Irony.

RogueSix wrote on Mar 23, 2023, 13:27:

WannaLogAlready wrote on Mar 23, 2023, 12:38:
Goodby Nigthdive, you were exceptionally good.

Were they? Delays galore, cancelled projects... the System Shock demo was completely unimpressive imo. If there is or was anything that made them "exceptional" then it must be pretty well hidden.

Your opinion is like a complete and total clueless joke.

roguebanshee wrote on Mar 23, 2023, 16:41:

Darks wrote on Mar 23, 2023, 13:32:

WannaLogAlready wrote on Mar 23, 2023, 12:38:
Goodby Nigthdive, you were exceptionally good.

Hey, come on now. Atari is actually trying to make a comeback. Hopefully they learned from their prior mistakes. They have a lot of really good games coming out in the near future.

Lets give them at least a chance to prove themselves.

In the 10 years Nightdive Studios has existed, they've managed to release 14 games: 12 remasters and 2 original titles. Meanwhile in the same period, Atari has managed to file for bankruptcy, kickstart + launch the Atari VCS, release a remaster & a sequel and launch the Atari Token (a cryptocurrency).

You forgot that Atari is also a patent troll.

WannaLogAlready wrote on Mar 23, 2023, 14:14:

Thanks to Nightdive I finished/replayed and *loved* :

Strife: Veteran Edition
Turok 1: Dinosaur Hunter - Excellent remake without blinding fog !.
Turok 2: Seeds of Evil - Very good
Blood: Fresh Supply - Very good
Doom 64 - Very good
Shadow Man Remastered - Very good
Quake - Very good
PowerSlave Exhumed (isn't the superior PC version -didn't get the permit-, but a Saturn-PS1 remix, but good anyway)

Fingers crossed this isn't the beginning of the end for NightDive. I'm still hanging out hope for their SiN remaster. But it has been so long I can't even remember the title offhand.

Atari in the 8oies had relevance. The only lasting thing I've seen since is their logo in Blade Runner films.

They've got two games, at least, that I want to buy. No wonder they've both been delayed. Ah, well...

Darks wrote on Mar 23, 2023, 13:32:

WannaLogAlready wrote on Mar 23, 2023, 12:38:
Goodby Nigthdive, you were exceptionally good.

Hey, come on now. Atari is actually trying to make a comeback. Hopefully they learned from their prior mistakes. They have a lot of really good games coming out in the near future.

Lets give them at least a chance to prove themselves.

In the 10 years Nightdive Studios has existed, they've managed to release 14 games: 12 remasters and 2 original titles. Meanwhile in the same period, Atari has managed to file for bankruptcy, kickstart + launch the Atari VCS, release a remaster & a sequel and launch the Atari Token (a cryptocurrency).

Now we know why the game was delayed. in the process of being moved over to a new publisher.