Schkorpio wrote on Mar 17, 2023, 07:36:

SlimRam wrote on Mar 16, 2023, 13:26:
Hey HEY, Zuck has only blew through like 10 billion developing this puppy, I'm sure after he blows through another 10 or 20 billion he'll get it sorted 🤡

He probably could have cured cancer with that kind of money, but instead he'll be remembered for this failure.

They never solved the fundamental issues of VR, until they can still people from getting sick and generally not wanting to wear an uncomfortable blindfold, it will always be a niche product. Great for simulators, but others never had a killer system seller app.

You need to separate the hardware from the 'Metaverse'. The hardware is great. In two weeks since I bought it, I've spent probably 20 hours playing games on my Quest 2 VR headset. Half Life Alyx is amazing. It's rightfully Half Life 3.

The resolution and refresh is high enough now to avoid vertigo, except in people who may never be able to wear VR due to some problem with the way their brain interprets visual movement that doesn't match what the inner ear is telling it. I have no problem with doing 4 hours sessions, and never had issues with vertigo, and the headset is surprisingly comfortable (even more so with a third party head strap).

The Metaverse, however, is a joke. I opted out of all of that crap when I setup my Oculus account (no, you are not required to link it to your Facebook account, although there is an option to use your Facebook account to log into your Oculus account. Which I chose not to). I made my account private and non-public. I have no desire to screw around in the Metaverse with cheesy looking Wii-style avatars (I had to setup an avatar, but since I'm not public it serves no purpose). I am mainly playing single player games. The only multiplayer game I'm playing is Dirt Rally 2.0 (Steam version, which works with or without VR, and which looks great in VR), and I play that with two of my Steam friends who have the game and play on regular monitors without VR.

And once again I'll let Penny Arcade have the final word on the Metaverse. I think they nailed it: https://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2022/08/22/purgator

Yeah I bust out this anecdote from time to time but I remember when the missus had friends over and some people wanted to check out my VR headset, they were quite the novelty back then. A few people tried it but one of them made a good point "No thanks, I don't want to mess up my hair and make up". It's these little things the designers don't take into account.

I think if they can ever get the tech down to a literal set of bulky glasses then it will see more adoption but it's still awaiting a killer app of some sort.

This comment was edited on Mar 17, 2023, 15:59.

SlimRam wrote on Mar 16, 2023, 13:26:
Hey HEY, Zuck has only blew through like 10 billion developing this puppy, I'm sure after he blows through another 10 or 20 billion he'll get it sorted 🤡

He probably could have cured cancer with that kind of money, but instead he'll be remembered for this failure.

They never solved the fundamental issues of VR, until they can still people from getting sick and generally not wanting to wear an uncomfortable blindfold, it will always be a niche product. Great for simulators, but others never had a killer system seller app.

SlimRam wrote on Mar 16, 2023, 13:26:
Hey HEY, Zuck has only blew through like 10 billion developing this puppy, I'm sure after he blows through another 10 or 20 billion he'll get it sorted 🤡

He probably could have cured cancer with that kind of money, but instead he'll be remembered for this failure.

Bezos really wants to out-Musk Elon Musk. It's kind of cute how hard he tries.

jdreyer wrote on Mar 16, 2023, 18:37:
Starlink is mobile, I don't see why the Amazon version wouldn't be.

Some Starlink is mobile but not all. Also, the cost for mobile Starlink is more expensive than a fixed installation.

Burrito of Peace wrote on Mar 16, 2023, 16:13:

jdreyer wrote on Mar 16, 2023, 14:27:
Maybe Amazon will include satellite internet as part of Prime.

That would be awesome but doubtful. While we're dreaming, I'd like it to be mobile so I could use use it for my RV.

Starlink is mobile, I don't see why the Amazon version wouldn't be.

jdreyer wrote on Mar 16, 2023, 14:27:
Maybe Amazon will include satellite internet as part of Prime.

That would be awesome but doubtful. While we're dreaming, I'd like it to be mobile so I could use use it for my RV.

SlimRam wrote on Mar 16, 2023, 14:41:

Verno wrote on Mar 16, 2023, 14:31:
The total cost of investment was closer to $36 billion and counting, probably more like $40 billion once they scrap it entirely. A colossal waste of time and money, if Zuckerberg didn't own a majority of common shares then he would be out on his ass. As it is he's lost the confidence of the market and his own staff, one of the dumbest billionaire larks imaginable. He seemed to have some sort of Hyperion-esque vision of the All-Thing and the TechnoCore, imagined himself owning all of the virtual real estate and datamining everything to hell and back. Instead it was realized as a bad Second-Life clone that people wouldn't use unless they were paid for it.

What a shit show, I read that article and others about it but I didn't know it was that bad? Damn, Meta's board members must want his head.

It's like he read Ready Player One and thought, "I can build that!" not understanding what an unrealistic fantasy it was.

SlimRam wrote on Mar 16, 2023, 14:41:
What a shit show, I read that article and others about it but I didn't know it was that bad? Damn, Meta's board members must want his head.

They can't do anything, he owns the majority of the common (voting) shares. Most of the board is true believers who have been around a long time.

Verno wrote on Mar 16, 2023, 14:31:
The total cost of investment was closer to $36 billion and counting, probably more like $40 billion once they scrap it entirely. A colossal waste of time and money, if Zuckerberg didn't own a majority of common shares then he would be out on his ass. As it is he's lost the confidence of the market and his own staff, one of the dumbest billionaire larks imaginable. He seemed to have some sort of Hyperion-esque vision of the All-Thing and the TechnoCore, imagined himself owning all of the virtual real estate and datamining everything to hell and back. Instead it was realized as a bad Second-Life clone that people wouldn't use unless they were paid for it.

What a shit show, I read that article and others about it but I didn't know it was that bad? Damn, Meta's board members must want his head.

The total cost of investment was closer to $36 billion and counting, probably more like $40 billion once they scrap it entirely. A colossal waste of time and money, if Zuckerberg didn't own a majority of common shares then he would be out on his ass. As it is he's lost the confidence of the market and his own staff, one of the dumbest billionaire larks imaginable. He seemed to have some sort of Hyperion-esque vision of the All-Thing and the TechnoCore, imagined himself owning all of the virtual real estate and datamining everything to hell and back. Instead it was realized as a bad Second-Life clone that people wouldn't use unless they were paid for it.

The really galling part is that 21,000 people got laid off due to his mismanagement. Doubtless some of them COVID growth hires but still, a complete moron of a leader that few would choose to follow if given a real choice.

Maybe Amazon will include satellite internet as part of Prime.

Hey HEY, Zuck has only blew through like 10 billion developing this puppy, I'm sure after he blows through another 10 or 20 billion he'll get it sorted 🤡